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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1761 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:30 pm

Shaffty wrote:
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Shaffty wrote:You guys are so worried about the stuff on the margins, because previously with a dogmatic coach and only one superstar you need to shore up the margins to win.

We have dame and giannis. The margins will not matter. We should be discussing what bar we should have the RealGM meetup at after the parade, thats a more pressing discussion.


For me personally, when a coach makes an obviously dumb choice in something small(like Beasley being the 5th starter), it makes it harder for me to trust that coach with big decisions. I'm also a believer in that regardless of how talented a team is, you need at minimum an above average coach to win to a title.

Also the margins will definitely matter against teams like Boston, Denver, and Phoenix



its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1762 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:37 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
For me personally, when a coach makes an obviously dumb choice in something small(like Beasley being the 5th starter), it makes it harder for me to trust that coach with big decisions. I'm also a believer in that regardless of how talented a team is, you need at minimum an above average coach to win to a title.

Also the margins will definitely matter against teams like Boston, Denver, and Phoenix



its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Bane is a great player so i guess its just beasley then cause he shoots thst good agsinst most people that guard him.Im sure if bane goes off for 24 points against AJJ the excuse will be cause hes just a rookie or against marjon it will be some BS excuse other than saying they sucked like your saying for beasley
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1763 » by Shaffty » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:38 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
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For me personally, when a coach makes an obviously dumb choice in something small(like Beasley being the 5th starter), it makes it harder for me to trust that coach with big decisions. I'm also a believer in that regardless of how talented a team is, you need at minimum an above average coach to win to a title.

Also the margins will definitely matter against teams like Boston, Denver, and Phoenix



its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.


you wanna start marjon who couldn't get his game off vs 2 way players in the 4th? Or Ajax whose a rookie who literally shoots worse from 3 then you or I? Jae isnt a 2, and Pat is a bench/closer.

None of those options are better.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1764 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:38 pm

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MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Bane is a great player so i guess its just beasley then cause he shoots thst good agsinst most people that guard him.Im sure if bane goes off for 24 points against AJJ the excuse will be cause hes just a rookie or against marjon it will be some BS excuse other than saying they sucked like your saying for beasley


Bane is a great player and the exact type of player Beasley is going to be asked to guard if he's taking "the toughest assignments". He sure wasn't up to the task on Tuesday, hopefully he improves
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1765 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:40 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
For me personally, when a coach makes an obviously dumb choice in something small(like Beasley being the 5th starter), it makes it harder for me to trust that coach with big decisions. I'm also a believer in that regardless of how talented a team is, you need at minimum an above

Also the margins will definitely matter against teams like Boston, Denver, and Phoenix



its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1766 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:42 pm

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its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring


You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1767 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:43 pm

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MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

its not a bad choice. its the only choice. Marjon and AJAX are clearly not ready.


Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.


you wanna start marjon who couldn't get his game off vs 2 way players in the 4th? Or Ajax whose a rookie who literally shoots worse from 3 then you or I? Jae isnt a 2, and Pat is a bench/closer.

None of those options are better.



Prerty much it bane goes off on either AJJ or marjon nothing is said nothing ....it would be well bane was hot blah fu..blah ge does it against beasley and beasley sucks
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1768 » by Shaffty » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:44 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Daver wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring


You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen



the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1769 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:45 pm

Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Daver wrote:


Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring


You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen



the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently


You are right that AG doesn't have a good choice as the 5th starter, but of the bad choices he's easily picking the one with the worst fit.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1770 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:46 pm

Shaffty wrote:
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MVP2110 wrote:
For me personally, when a coach makes an obviously dumb choice in something small(like Beasley being the 5th starter), it makes it harder for me to trust that coach with big decisions. I'm also a believer in that regardless of how talented a team is, you need at minimum an above average coach to win to a title.

Also the margins will definitely matter against teams like Boston, Denver, and Phoenix


Griffin essentially preaches that the margins are important, that everyone has to put in the work. Beasely will be outplayed if hes not the best option. Ivwouldn't sweat that.

But Giannis & Dame doesn't guarantee anything without work.


its the best pnr ball handler/shooter and the best pnr roller/crasher. with a stretch 5 and two truly elite shooters. Its not hard to comprehend how easy this will be.

I guess we will have to wait unitll sunday at about 645 to you to realize it


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Post#1771 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:46 pm

Eh, every year we do this with the young guys because it's always sexier to dream about the mystery box potential of rookies than it is accepting the reality that 1st and 2nd year guys are almost never big contributors to a championship contending team. I'm more interested in giving Marjon and AJJ minutes more just to see if they can build on something for next year and beyond. But I think people are being naive if they think either guy is just gonna slot perfectly into the starting playoff lineup 6-months from now and contribute in high leverage playoff moments against battle tested veterans. I see two realistic options at this point:

1) It's Pat! (heh) and all this debate about who the 5th starter is meaningless when he's always been the obvious answer.

2) Said player/starter isn't on the roster yet.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1772 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:47 pm

Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Daver wrote:


Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring


You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen



the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently


Jon probably didn't think we'd actually get Dame.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1773 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:48 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Eh, every year we do this with the young guys because it's always sexier to dream about the mystery box potential of rookies than it is accepting the reality that 1st and 2nd year guys are almost never big contributors to a championship contending team. I'm more interested in giving Marjon and AJJ minutes more just to see if they can build on something for next year and beyond. But I think people are being naive if they think either guy is just gonna slot perfectly into the starting playoff lineup 6-months from now and contribute in high leverage playoff moments against battle tested veterans. I see two realistic options at this point:

1) It's Pat! (heh) and all this debate about who the 5th starter is meaningless when he's always been the obvious answer.

2) Said player/starter isn't on the roster yet.


This is probably the right answer.
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1774 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:48 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Daver wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Not only is it a bad choice, Beasley is easily the worst choice among the candidates. Did you watch his defense at all Tuesday against Bane? He was awful. I guess we'll see if Beasley is still starting come playoff time or if AG eventually wises up but it he is still starting than he's likely going to get targeted relentlessly on defense.




Your not at practice and with AG being a D mind i have a hard time thinking beasley is that bad as you say yet AG doesnt see it(and that only the posters on this board do) if AG doesnt like his D he will have a short hook.He likes the scoring


You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen




Your right ive heard it to but i also have ro listen to what AG says.He preaches D in every interview how you must play it to play n hes made comments that beasley has looked good on D again though the pickings are slim after beas i dont think griff would annoint him a starter if his D was as bad as you say it is.Maybe just maybe Griff wants beas scoring ability on the floor with the starting 5 more than his D
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1775 » by Shaffty » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:50 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen



the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently


Jon probably didn't think we'd actually get Dame.


100% and its a way easier problem to fix in february
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1776 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:52 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
You're right I'm not at practice and maybe Beasley is the true unique circumstance of a terrible defender that turns into a plus defender overnight. But we've all heard this same song and dance with a million different players over the years who are bad defenders who say they are going to change and very rarely does that actually happen



the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently


You are right that AG doesn't have a good choice as the 5th starter, but of the bad choices he's easily picking the one with the worst fit.



Then why not green then he shoots better than beasley n from what some posters have said at least trys on D
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1777 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:00 pm

Daver wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

the fact that beasley is a bad choice for this role isnt a comment on AG as a coach, its merely a result of the roster as its constructed currently


You are right that AG doesn't have a good choice as the 5th starter, but of the bad choices he's easily picking the one with the worst fit.



Then why not green then he shoots better than beasley n from what some posters have said at least trys on D


If I had to choose between Green & Beasley, I'd choose Green. I'd still prefer a better defender though
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Re: It's Dame Time! 

Post#1778 » by Daver » Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:04 pm

Maybe midds knees are given the fountain of youth serum and he plays the 2 spot he did once b4 albeit 3 years ago n have jae play the 3 thats the best case scenerio
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Post#1779 » by M-C-G » Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:10 pm

Who starts matters way less than who finishes. Who starts the season in that spot is completely irrelevant as opposed to who is playing come playoff time. Hell, rotate MarJon, AJJ, Green, Pat etc. all season and see what shakes out.
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Post#1780 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:22 pm

M-C-G wrote:Who starts matters way less than who finishes. Who starts the season in that spot is completely irrelevant as opposed to who is playing come playoff time. Hell, rotate MarJon, AJJ, Green, Pat etc. all season and see what shakes out.


The best rotations are bound to work themselves out.
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