Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

ejs78 · Post #441 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:13 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Cuban found 2 gems in the draft, Dirk and Luka, 2000-2011, he also paid like crazy, but he left A LOT to be desired.

Didn't Cuban buy Mavs 2 years after Dirk was drafted/traded to Mavs? And even Doncic was basically discovered by Nelson while Mark even lobbied against Giannis

I also gave Cuban way too much credit over the years but it is true Mavs became a winning franchise after he bought them.

He did, but don't underestimate what Cuban did to the franchise back in the day, Dallas was a joke franchise and Cuban turned it to one of the most innovative franchises, state of the art facilities and many perks to the players, he spent like a madman, many rules in the previous CBA were made because of Cuban (the BYC rule was done to prevent him for doing a Keith Van Horn S&T like deal), repeater tax was done because Cuban and Dolan didn't let the regular tax stop them, Cuban spearheaded the player empowerment, and sided with the players against the league.
Cuban tried his best to put help around Dirk, he did have some bad decisions, and bad luck (2006 finals officiating scandal and 2007 1st round matchup from hell), with Luka, I see lack of willing to spend combined with horrible decision making, which is a recipe for a disaster.

I wanna say it was 2003 but the Mavs were primed to beat the Spurs until Dirk got hurt. I could be wrong but Cuban wanted him to play hurt and Nelson told him no. I don't recall the severity of the ankle injury but that team could have won a title.

Yeah 2007 was a match up from hell. Few will remember but they started 2-4 and won 67 games( Bob would have said no chance at the playoffs with that start )

In his roughly 20 years of ownership we've seen
4 WCF
2 Finals
1 Title

Could be better and could be alot worse.

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Bob8 · Post #442 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:29 pm

ejs78 wrote:No Bob I'm saying for 20 years that Cuban has had a good track record and things could be worse. If that track record holds the team will still be pretty strong going forward compared to a team like let's say the Wizards.

You're following the NBA. I don't care about European hoops cuz that's not what this forum is for and after years you still don't get it.

Here's my criticism of Cuban.Why can't he hold Luka accountable?

You know the guy who comes in to camp repeatedly out of shape.

The guy who can't stop complaining to the refs, gets a bunch of techs, and loafs back on D.

The guy who doesn't play D

The guy who won't play off ball.

The guy who can't shoot over 80% from the FT line

I demand Cuban do better on all this!!!

Eveyone bitched and moaned the team needed to get younger and some new faces. They do that and everyone still complains. Team could go 82-0 sweep the playoffs and you would still be pissed. This will turn into you're happy with a .500 record per usual. I'm not but I live in reality that not everything is going to work out. Pistons took a swing and Blake Griffin and the Mavs took one on KP... Ill take the KP swing everyday.

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Cuban shouldn't do anything what are you saying. He should only find and pay FO capable of building contending team, including coach capable of developing his players, his superstar too, and be capable to build a system and plays for the team game. Now we have Cuban with his ideas, Nico with his and Kidd with his and nobody good in his job.

Nobody will tell me that trading for Kyrie and giving him 3 years deal is coexisting with drafting and starting Lively. And I don't believe that Kidd is capable of making the system in which Luka and Kyrie work great together.

The most logical thing and probably the best for Mavs would be trading Luka. Everything else is just hoping for miracle. Miracle that Lively becomes good overnight. Miracle that Kidd suddenly starts coaching. Miracle that Luka becomes great off ball player overnight. Miracle that Kyrie plays 70 RS games....

ejs78 · Post #443 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:36 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:No Bob I'm saying for 20 years that Cuban has had a good track record and things could be worse. If that track record holds the team will still be pretty strong going forward compared to a team like let's say the Wizards.

You're following the NBA. I don't care about European hoops cuz that's not what this forum is for and after years you still don't get it.

Here's my criticism of Cuban.Why can't he hold Luka accountable?

You know the guy who comes in to camp repeatedly out of shape.

The guy who can't stop complaining to the refs, gets a bunch of techs, and loafs back on D.

The guy who doesn't play D

The guy who won't play off ball.

The guy who can't shoot over 80% from the FT line

I demand Cuban do better on all this!!!

Eveyone bitched and moaned the team needed to get younger and some new faces. They do that and everyone still complains. Team could go 82-0 sweep the playoffs and you would still be pissed. This will turn into you're happy with a .500 record per usual. I'm not but I live in reality that not everything is going to work out. Pistons took a swing and Blake Griffin and the Mavs took one on KP... Ill take the KP swing everyday.

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Cuban shouldn't do anything what are you saying. He should only find and pay FO capable of building contending team, including coach capable of developing his players, his superstar too, and be capable to build a system and plays for the team game. Now we have Cuban with his ideas, Nico with his and Kidd with his and nobody good in his job.

Nobody will tell me that trading for Kyrie and giving him 3 years deal is coexisting with drafting and starting Lively. And I don't believe that Kidd is capable of making the system in which Luka and Kyrie work great together.

The most logical thing and probably the best for Mavs would be trading Luka. Everything else is just hoping for miracle. Miracle that Lively becomes good overnight. Miracle that Kidd suddenly starts coaching. Miracle that Luka becomes great off ball player overnight. Miracle that Kyrie plays 70 RS games....

If they trade Luka does that mean you go to that team as well? If so sign me up.

It would also be a miracle if Luka played 70 games lol. We all know playing b2bs in your 20s is tough. Must be all the extra weight

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Bob8 · Post #444 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:47 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:No Bob I'm saying for 20 years that Cuban has had a good track record and things could be worse. If that track record holds the team will still be pretty strong going forward compared to a team like let's say the Wizards.

You're following the NBA. I don't care about European hoops cuz that's not what this forum is for and after years you still don't get it.

Here's my criticism of Cuban.Why can't he hold Luka accountable?

You know the guy who comes in to camp repeatedly out of shape.

The guy who can't stop complaining to the refs, gets a bunch of techs, and loafs back on D.

The guy who doesn't play D

The guy who won't play off ball.

The guy who can't shoot over 80% from the FT line

I demand Cuban do better on all this!!!

Eveyone bitched and moaned the team needed to get younger and some new faces. They do that and everyone still complains. Team could go 82-0 sweep the playoffs and you would still be pissed. This will turn into you're happy with a .500 record per usual. I'm not but I live in reality that not everything is going to work out. Pistons took a swing and Blake Griffin and the Mavs took one on KP... Ill take the KP swing everyday.

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Cuban shouldn't do anything what are you saying. He should only find and pay FO capable of building contending team, including coach capable of developing his players, his superstar too, and be capable to build a system and plays for the team game. Now we have Cuban with his ideas, Nico with his and Kidd with his and nobody good in his job.

Nobody will tell me that trading for Kyrie and giving him 3 years deal is coexisting with drafting and starting Lively. And I don't believe that Kidd is capable of making the system in which Luka and Kyrie work great together.

The most logical thing and probably the best for Mavs would be trading Luka. Everything else is just hoping for miracle. Miracle that Lively becomes good overnight. Miracle that Kidd suddenly starts coaching. Miracle that Luka becomes great off ball player overnight. Miracle that Kyrie plays 70 RS games....
If they trade Luka does that mean you go to that team as well? If so sign me up.

It would also be a miracle if Luka played 70 games lol. We all know playing b2bs in your 20s is tough. Must be all the extra weight

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It looks to me that you would be ecstatic to get rid of Luka too, so it's win-win situation for all parties involved.
You can ignore me easily, it's much more difficult to watch superstar you don't like in your team.

ejs78 · Post #445 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:55 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Cuban shouldn't do anything what are you saying. He should only find and pay FO capable of building contending team, including coach capable of developing his players, his superstar too, and be capable to build a system and plays for the team game. Now we have Cuban with his ideas, Nico with his and Kidd with his and nobody good in his job.

Nobody will tell me that trading for Kyrie and giving him 3 years deal is coexisting with drafting and starting Lively. And I don't believe that Kidd is capable of making the system in which Luka and Kyrie work great together.

The most logical thing and probably the best for Mavs would be trading Luka. Everything else is just hoping for miracle. Miracle that Lively becomes good overnight. Miracle that Kidd suddenly starts coaching. Miracle that Luka becomes great off ball player overnight. Miracle that Kyrie plays 70 RS games....
If they trade Luka does that mean you go to that team as well? If so sign me up.

It would also be a miracle if Luka played 70 games lol. We all know playing b2bs in your 20s is tough. Must be all the extra weight

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It looks to me that you would be ecstatic to get rid of Luka too, so it's win-win situation for all parties involved.
You can ignore me easily, it's much more difficult to watch superstar you don't like in your team.

I mean who doesn't like constant crying, loafing, lack of D, and being outta shape? But again your a fanboy and I am not.

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Bob8 · Post #446 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:07 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:If they trade Luka does that mean you go to that team as well? If so sign me up.

It would also be a miracle if Luka played 70 games lol. We all know playing b2bs in your 20s is tough. Must be all the extra weight

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It looks to me that you would be ecstatic to get rid of Luka too, so it's win-win situation for all parties involved.
You can ignore me easily, it's much more difficult to watch superstar you don't like in your team.
I mean who doesn't like constant crying, loafing, lack of D, and being outta shape? But again your a fanboy and I am not.

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Did you ever ask yourself why some here are looking to Luka differently? It's similar like you look at Mavs. Luka has won for my country and my team a lot. I'm Real fan for 30 years. He might be whiner and a loser in Nba, but his career, which Americans don't recognise, is anything but losing.

He's not outta shape this year, so that's first improvement.

ejs78 · Post #447 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:12 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
It looks to me that you would be ecstatic to get rid of Luka too, so it's win-win situation for all parties involved.
You can ignore me easily, it's much more difficult to watch superstar you don't like in your team.
I mean who doesn't like constant crying, loafing, lack of D, and being outta shape? But again your a fanboy and I am not.

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Did you ever ask yourself why some here are looking to Luka differently? It's similar like you look at Mavs. Luka has won for my country and my team a lot. I'm Real fan for 30 years. He might be whiner and a loser in Nba, but his career, which Americans don't recognise, is anything but losing.

He's not outta shape this year, so that's first improvement.

Again this a Mavs and NBA forum so none of that matters to me. We have also heard Luka is in shape several times before then he comes in to camp looking like a blimp or turns into one. Playing your way into shape year after year doesn't work

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Bob8 · Post #448 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:19 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:I mean who doesn't like constant crying, loafing, lack of D, and being outta shape? But again your a fanboy and I am not.

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Did you ever ask yourself why some here are looking to Luka differently? It's similar like you look at Mavs. Luka has won for my country and my team a lot. I'm Real fan for 30 years. He might be whiner and a loser in Nba, but his career, which Americans don't recognise, is anything but losing.

He's not outta shape this year, so that's first improvement.
Again this a Mavs and NBA forum so none of that matters to me. We have also heard Luka is in shape several times before then he comes in to camp looking like a blimp or turns into one. Playing your way into shape year after year doesn't work

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And I don't care how Mavs looked before Cuban came. This is not a thread about Mavs history.

Luka started training in July and had one month of pretty serious preparation with NT and then WC, he's in the best shape ever in Nba.

41Dirk41 · Post #449 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:24 pm

Ahhhhhhhhh ejs78 is a Luka hater, it's all clear now... he wants Mavs to fail because Luka. Well well.

Could you have said it before?

ejs78 · Post #450 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:25 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Did you ever ask yourself why some here are looking to Luka differently? It's similar like you look at Mavs. Luka has won for my country and my team a lot. I'm Real fan for 30 years. He might be whiner and a loser in Nba, but his career, which Americans don't recognise, is anything but losing.

He's not outta shape this year, so that's first improvement.
Again this a Mavs and NBA forum so none of that matters to me. We have also heard Luka is in shape several times before then he comes in to camp looking like a blimp or turns into one. Playing your way into shape year after year doesn't work

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And I don't care how Mavs looked before Cuban came. This is not a thread about Mavs history.

Luka started training in July and had one month of pretty serious preparation with NT and then WC, he's in the best shape ever in Nba.

Thats because you are only here for one reason.

Maybe Livley can develop one skill and Luka can not become a blimp all in one season. Theres hope yet Bob!!!!

ejs78 · Post #451 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:28 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Ahhhhhhhhh ejs78 is a Luka hater, it's all clear now... he wants Mavs to fail because Luka. Well well.

Could you have said it before?

I'm a team first guy. Sorry that bothers the fanboys.

He's a great player but you all gloss over were going on over 5 years of his same dificiencies (Maybe thats why he keeps dropping in the players to build around polls).

You guys really do a good job of twisting words out of know flaws and turning it into I want the Mavs to fail cuz of Luka (Bravo).

Bob8 · Post #452 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:50 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Again this a Mavs and NBA forum so none of that matters to me. We have also heard Luka is in shape several times before then he comes in to camp looking like a blimp or turns into one. Playing your way into shape year after year doesn't work

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And I don't care how Mavs looked before Cuban came. This is not a thread about Mavs history.

Luka started training in July and had one month of pretty serious preparation with NT and then WC, he's in the best shape ever in Nba.

Thats because you are only here for one reason.

Maybe Livley can develop one skill and Luka can not become a blimp all in one season. Theres hope yet Bob!!!!

I believed that we're all here for the same reason, Mavs winning. :roll:

Apparently not.

ejs78 · Post #453 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:02 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
And I don't care how Mavs looked before Cuban came. This is not a thread about Mavs history.

Luka started training in July and had one month of pretty serious preparation with NT and then WC, he's in the best shape ever in Nba.

Thats because you are only here for one reason.

Maybe Livley can develop one skill and Luka can not become a blimp all in one season. Theres hope yet Bob!!!!

I believed that we're all here for the same reason, Mavs winning. Apparently not.

Nice try buddy.

We're all seeing why fanboys are not fun.

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Bob8 · Post #454 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:32 pm

ejs78 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
Thats because you are only here for one reason.

Maybe Livley can develop one skill and Luka can not become a blimp all in one season. Theres hope yet Bob!!!!

I believed that we're all here for the same reason, Mavs winning. Apparently not.
Nice try buddy.

We're all seeing why fanboys are not fun.

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You might believe me or not, but I, like majority of Europeans, care only about winning, Luka winning MVP in RS means nothing, if Mavs don't win. Professional sport is about winning not competing.

41Dirk41 · Post #455 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:52 pm

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Ahhhhhhhhh ejs78 is a Luka hater, it's all clear now... he wants Mavs to fail because Luka. Well well.

Could you have said it before?

I'm a team first guy. Sorry that bothers the fanboys.

He's a great player but you all gloss over were going on over 5 years of his same dificiencies (Maybe thats why he keeps dropping in the players to build around polls).

You guys really do a good job of twisting words out of know flaws and turning it into I want the Mavs to fail cuz of Luka (Bravo).

Hell no, you are not a first team guy but a Mavs FO guy :lol:

But no problem, you don't have to find excuses, i understand all of your posts now...

ejs78 · Post #456 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:56 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Ahhhhhhhhh ejs78 is a Luka hater, it's all clear now... he wants Mavs to fail because Luka. Well well.

Could you have said it before?

I'm a team first guy. Sorry that bothers the fanboys.

He's a great player but you all gloss over were going on over 5 years of his same dificiencies (Maybe thats why he keeps dropping in the players to build around polls).

You guys really do a good job of twisting words out of know flaws and turning it into I want the Mavs to fail cuz of Luka (Bravo).

You don't have to find excuses, i understand all of your posts now...

Pretty funny yesterday you called me Mr happy mavs fan or something.... must have missed me saying I don't like Kidd.

Next day I criticize your golden boy which are things he's been called out by the national media for and now I'm a hater.

When I travel from Detroit to Dallas to see a game I'm 100% there to see Nico and Mark lol.

Fanboy

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41Dirk41 · Post #457 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:15 pm

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
I'm a team first guy. Sorry that bothers the fanboys.

He's a great player but you all gloss over were going on over 5 years of his same dificiencies (Maybe thats why he keeps dropping in the players to build around polls).

You guys really do a good job of twisting words out of know flaws and turning it into I want the Mavs to fail cuz of Luka (Bravo).

You don't have to find excuses, i understand all of your posts now...
Pretty funny yesterday you called me Mr happy mavs fan or something.... must have missed me saying I don't like Kidd.

Next day I criticize your golden boy which are things he's been called out by the national media for and now I'm a hater.

Fanboy

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Yeah, you are everytime happy man with FO moves and i now I finally understood, any move that takes Luka away from Dallas is welcome, right? :wink:

But my friend the season is long for a Luka hater :lol:

ejs78 · Post #458 » by **ejs78** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:23 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
You don't have to find excuses, i understand all of your posts now...
Pretty funny yesterday you called me Mr happy mavs fan or something.... must have missed me saying I don't like Kidd.

Next day I criticize your golden boy which are things he's been called out by the national media for and now I'm a hater.

Fanboy

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Yeah, you are everytime happy man with FO moves and i now I finally understood, any move that takes Luka away from Dallas is welcome, right?

But my friend the season is long for a Luka hater

Please dig up all these hundred of thousands of posts of me blowing the FO. Just because I don't come on here daily on crap on them and point out actual winning percentages doesn't mean I endorse everything they do (Like hiring Kidd), but being centered is too hard for you to understand. Yes I am a Luka hater cuz I pointed out things everyone and their mother can see except fanboys like you.

Bob8 · Post #459 » by **Bob8** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:32 pm

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Pretty funny yesterday you called me Mr happy mavs fan or something.... must have missed me saying I don't like Kidd.

Next day I criticize your golden boy which are things he's been called out by the national media for and now I'm a hater.

Fanboy

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Yeah, you are everytime happy man with FO moves and i now I finally understood, any move that takes Luka away from Dallas is welcome, right?

But my friend the season is long for a Luka hater

Please dig up all these hundred of thousands of posts of me blowing the FO. Just because I don't come on here daily on crap on them and point out actual winning percentages doesn't mean I endorse everything they do (Like hiring Kidd), but being centered is too hard for you to understand. Yes I am a Luka hater cuz I pointed out things everyone and their mother can see except fanboys like you.

With all deficiency Luka has, he's still good enough to build a contender around him. But Lively, Grant and Josh are not winning you a championship no matter who you are. So just maybe you should look at other side of equation first. But I guess, it's a lot easier to trade him and start rebuilding around Lively.

I can understand that people are frustrated that Luka is not Dirk, he is totally different type of player and a person and that won't change ever. I still believe he will win championship, in Dallas or somewhere else, that's on Cuban and FO.

41Dirk41 · Post #460 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:38 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Yeah, you are everytime happy man with FO moves and i now I finally understood, any move that takes Luka away from Dallas is welcome, right?

But my friend the season is long for a Luka hater

Please dig up all these hundred of thousands of posts of me blowing the FO. Just because I don't come on here daily on crap on them and point out actual winning percentages doesn't mean I endorse everything they do (Like hiring Kidd), but being centered is too hard for you to understand. Yes I am a Luka hater cuz I pointed out things everyone and their mother can see except fanboys like you.

With all deficiency Luka has, he's still good enough to build a contender around him. But Lively, Grant and Josh are not winning you a championship no matter who you are. So just maybe you should look at other side of equation first. But I guess, it's a lot easier to trade him and start rebuilding around Lively.

I can understand that people are frustrated that Luka is not Dirk, he is totally different type of player and a person and that won't change ever. I still believe he will win championship, in Dallas or somewhere else, that's on Cuban and FO.

So...we are done :lol: