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Post#261 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:23 am

Shaffty wrote:
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and imagine if he loses OG when he could've had like 3 1sts from the Grizzlies, or Siakam when he could've had like 2 1sts from the Heat


Basically, leaving like six or more firsts on the table to spend two years chasing the playin.



worse then that because he traded a 1st and 2 2nds for Poeltl!


And he traded a 1st for Thad Young.
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Post#262 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:53 pm

Some of the Mids interview with Nehm

Look, those guys, Dame and Giannis, get much of the credit, as they should. They’re two of the best players that this league has ever had. So for me, it’s just coming in and trying to fit, be a role player at times. Just change roles throughout the game, whatever is needed. … Let those guys handle a lot of the heavy lifting, figure out ways I can help, space the defense and make their job a little easier.

Plus, I’ll have my opportunities where I’m able to be me. But I’m leaning on those two guys — I think we all are — to carry a lot of the load, which they want and expect. But they also know that I’m here for them when needed.

It’s easy. I mean, you’ve seen how good that guy is. It would be selfish to try to compete with him for shots and touches when a guy like that wants to come and help us win. Everybody knows that I’m about winning, so I have no problems with putting my pride to the side, sacrificing a couple things for the team to succeed. I think that’s what it’s all about.

I know this guy, Dame, is coming in happy to be here, wanting to win, wanting to prove himself that he can win a chip also with us. This part is easy for me. I’m counting on him to make the game a lot easier for me with the amount of attention that he creates and has with the ball in his hands and off the ball. I’m excited.

I think it’s a little bit less on my plate, which I think is good. Sometimes we all need a little bit less on our plate, which is also going to be the same with him. It’s going to be the same with Giannis, and it’s going to be the same with myself. We’ll all have a little bit less of whatever on our plate.

Everything is on pace. They took it extremely slow, which was, I think I’ve said this before, not frustrating but annoying just because you feel fine and you want to speed things up, of course, because you feel like superman. But I’ve been on pace for everything thus far. Still on pace with a couple days off because it was planned ahead. Just trying to stay on schedule and make it out there for a couple (preseason) games.
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Post#263 » by fan230 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:27 pm

Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.
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Post#264 » by randy84 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:57 pm

fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


Not sure how Marjon is good on both offense and defense. He had a 99 Ortg and 113 Drtg last year. Now if you are hoping he will be good on offense and defense, I can go along with that.
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Post#265 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:50 pm

fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


Beasley has been bad offensively the last 2 years. Inefficient chucker.
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Post#266 » by slos » Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:33 pm

Loved every Midds comment. Bud's era had two huge issues.

A) Middleton is an excellent player, but it was too much for him to serve a No2 role in a championship team.
B) Holiday is an excellent player, but he was asked to do too much offensively for his talents.

That Dame trade fixed both. You can't have a better No2 and a better fit for Giannis than Lillard. And now Midds can finally have a more suitable role, which he embraces and I'm confident he will excel in it.

I'm calling it now. It will be a 20/5/5 season for Middleton combined with 50/40/90 shooting. It will be so fun watching him playing within his strengths and not asked to do more than what he is capable of doing.
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Post#267 » by crowhead76 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:47 pm

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fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


Beasley has been offensively the last 2 years. Inefficient chucker.


Thought that horse was dead, must have winked or something.
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Post#268 » by randy84 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:07 pm

slos wrote:Loved every Midds comment. Bud's era had two huge issues.

A) Middleton is an excellent player, but it was too much for him to serve a No2 role in a championship team.
B) Holiday is an excellent player, but he was asked to do too much offensively for his talents.

That Dame trade fixed both. You can't have a better No2 and a better fit for Giannis than Lillard. And now Midds can finally have a more suitable role, which he embraces and I'm confident he will excel in it.

I'm calling it now. It will be a 20/5/5 season for Middleton combined with 50/40/90 shooting. It will be so fun watching him playing within his strengths and not asked to do more than what he is capable of doing.


I've always said I would love to see Mids be like Ray Allen. Not the Bucks Ray Allen, but the Celtics and Heat Ray Allen.
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Post#269 » by SupremeHustle » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:38 pm

Is Timme a better NBA prospect than Mamu? I still like Mamu's offensive potential a lot.
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Post#270 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:02 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Is Timme a better NBA prospect than Mamu? I still like Mamu's offensive potential a lot.


No. I'm not even excited to have Timme on the Herd.
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Post#271 » by old skool » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:59 pm

fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


The thing about the SG position is that most of the players being talked about here as SG options don't play SG very much. Connaughton and Beauchamp played most of their minutes last season as forwards. Only 26% and 30% respectively at SG, according to BB-Reference.
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Post#272 » by KidA24 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:59 pm

old skool wrote:
fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


The thing about the SG position is that most of the players being talked about here as SG options don't play SG very much. Connaughton and Beauchamp played most of their minutes last season as forwards. Only 26% and 30% respectively at SG, according to BB-Reference.


I mean, sure, but Middleton missed 2/3 of the season, so that was sort of a necessity, given Grayson played all his minutes at the 2.
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Post#273 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:47 am

So, if RoLo really plays a the backup center, Bobby minutes will be slashed in half. A waste of his talents, and his salary slot. Might as well trade him. Obviously, enough NBA people like him if landed a spot on Team USA.

Get the defense wing we need, and have the Lakers send us Jaxon Hayes too. They don't really need him, and we really would need him.
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Post#274 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:51 am

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Post#275 » by randy84 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:54 am

MickeyDavis wrote:
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What's up with dude between Mids and Dame. Did he just get hit with the word of God?
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Post#276 » by crowhead76 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:57 am

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Post#277 » by -Jragon- » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:57 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:So, if RoLo really plays a the backup center, Bobby minutes will be slashed in half. A waste of his talents, and his salary slot. Might as well trade him. Obviously, enough NBA people like him if landed a spot on Team USA.

Get the defense wing we need, and have the Lakers send us Jaxon Hayes too. They don't really need him, and we really would need him.


It's a long season... we'll need both of those dudes and noone will complain about PT if we're getting a championship ring.

As far as wings and defense, I see a lot of young dudes that are fast, hustle, get into guys shots... this is why we have Griff to teach them more and show them how to contribute to this without having the ball too much or needing many shots. Teams besides us have always had young dudes come up during the year and give that youth heart and hustle in the playoffs instead of being older and slower throughout the whole lineup.

If you're catching my drift, with Pat and Jae you have the savvy then with the 3 young, fast dudes (Marjon, AJJ, maybe even Livingston). They all have good size and reach also so I think we're fine at the wing.
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Post#278 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:11 am

We should have signed Isaac Bonga is my favorite part of the preseason.
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Post#279 » by old skool » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:25 am

KidA24 wrote:
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fan230 wrote:Sg position:

Beasley: strongest on offense

Ajj: strongest on defense.

Marjon & Pat: Good on both offense and defense but less good on defense than ajj and less good than Beasley on offense.

Choice will vary between what we need the most for a specific opponent.


The thing about the SG position is that most of the players being talked about here as SG options don't play SG very much. Connaughton and Beauchamp played most of their minutes last season as forwards. Only 26% and 30% respectively at SG, according to BB-Reference.


I mean, sure, but Middleton missed 2/3 of the season, so that was sort of a necessity, given Grayson played all his minutes at the 2.


Connaughton has played most of his minutes at forward in each of the last 3 seasons, and I don't see that changing. Connaughton has always been a role player off the bench. 410 of his career starts have been off the bench, and he has only averaged more than 24 mpg once in his career.

Beauchamp obviously only has a one year history, so maybe he can play SG. I still think it is worth noting that he played twice as many minutes at forward as he did at guard and did not show that he could guard SGs.

I just think projecting either of them into a starting role is dubious. I think Connaughton is what he is. A very good bench SF who can finish games in some situations. I hope Beauchamp develops into a productive rotation player, but that jury is still out.
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Post#280 » by soxperry » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:25 am

alright, just finished watching it.

Dame clearly came in with a mindset of deferring to his teammates. I see this very clearly as him bending the knee to Giannis.

Not a whole lot to glean. Even with Giannis and Dame, feels a little thin out there without Khris. Beasley just isn't my cup of tea. He needs to be more like Grayson and Forbes were and just pass the ball if the shot isn't there. He tends to hold it and do nothing a bit too much. Brook still very good. Marjon started well and then seemed to completely lose confidence after some bad plays. Dre again showing he has good touch driving to the hoop. Payne up and down. only 10 days from the opener now. can't some soon enough.

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