Would you start Markelle or Jameer

JoshuaPotter · Post #21 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:38 pm

eyriq wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Where's the Rafer Alston pick. Yeah I said it. Over both.
Still mad SVG went back to Jameer after the run we had with Alston.

If we're talking Magic point guards not named Penny I'd go Darrell Armstrong for sure.

What, no Scot Skiles?

Post #22 » by **eyriq** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:42 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Where's the Rafer Alston pick. Yeah I said it. Over both.
Still mad SVG went back to Jameer after the run we had with Alston.

If we're talking Magic point guards not named Penny I'd go Darrell Armstrong for sure.

What, no Scot Skiles?

I considered him!

JoshuaPotter · Post #23 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:50 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:If we're talking Magic point guards not named Penny I'd go Darrell Armstrong for sure.

What, no Scot Skiles?
I considered him!

After everything we did to start the Keyonte train?!!?? You went fan favorite vs best....

(Cries of despair)

Darth Magic · Post #24 » by **Darth Magic** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:56 pm

Markelle is my favorite player on this team with Franz second, but I would take Jameer 100%. Not because I don't believe in Fultz or his game, but watching guys like Darius Garland and Anfernee Simons play just reminded me that that's exactly the type of lead guard we need. Fultz has fallen in love with assists more than buckets; quite frankly, that's not what we need with Banchero and Wagner on the wings. We need a high-scoring guard who takes and makes 3s at a high rate to put pressure on the defense and open up things for them. Do I believe Fultz can do that? I absolutely do, but I don't think he wants that and that's the biggest problem.

Post #25 » by **eyriq** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:22 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
What, no Scot Skiles?
I considered him!

After everything we did to start the Keyonte train?!!?? You went fan favorite vs best....

(Cries of despair)

Haha the Keyonte love we invested is going to deliver so much swag down the line. And if Black is in the rotation as the backup PG? I'll likely be insufferable. We'll start the Orlando whisperer club.

Post #26 » by **Bensational** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:12 pm

I was never a big Jameer fan. He was just the wrong PG for Dwight, to the degree that Hedo and Rafer were the playmaking difference makers. Jameer occasionally hit some shots but more often than not he failed to live up to the big moments. I remember that squad pretty distinctly, and particularly how poor Jameer was at attacking the rim or even making entry passes to Dwight. I’d say Jameer’s allstar season was more a byproduct of how well the team was gelling that season since we played half the season without him and went all the way to the finals without him. Then he came back to be the hero and cost us a championship.

ogmagicfan · Post #27 » by **ogmagicfan** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:09 pm

Jameer. We need shooting & he's a great 3 pt shooter, partcularly in that era. Suggs can help cover his defensive shortcomings.

Counting stats btwn Jameer & Fultz doesnt make sense due to the pace in the NBA now compared to 2004-2012

davey_wavy · Post #28 » by **davey_wavy** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:23 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I would take any starter and some bench players from the ‘08-‘10 teams over the majority of the players we have now. That ‘08-‘10 teams were pioneering what we know now as the modern NBA. Also, I do understand most of those players on the older teams were older players, many in their prime while ours now are very young. So what our current players would look like in their primes will probably better than those on the ‘08-‘10 teams.

I’d be happy with the Polish Hammer backing up WCJ

Residual-Heat · Post #29 » by **Residual-Heat** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:29 am

I might take Jameer on this team and Fultz on the Dwight teams :lol:

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anothermagicfan · Post #30 » by **anothermagicfan** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:49 am

THIS SHOULD BE A POLE QUESTION!

I am absolutely a "homer" fan, and there's nothing wrong with that imo. I loved jameer during the Dwight era because we were about as prevalent to the NBA landscape as a team can be without being NBA champions. However even then I saw jameers defense as the biggest weakness to that team. If his "all-star season" was that impressive why did we still have such a good record and make it to the NBA finals with him not playing for half of the season and all of the playoffs? Cole reminds me of jameer. I was so pissed that rafer Alston was pulled from the starting lineup for jameer during that finals. If jameer was the guy we wouldn't have made it to the finals with him injured pre all-star break.

The defining memory I have from that era of magic ball is Chauncey dominating jameer. The pistons were the ones knocking us out most of the time during that period. I'd take fultz 100 times out of 100 times over jameer. In that era.

As for this era? I feel like Cole is not that far off of jameer. Id still take fultz.

JRoy · Post #31 » by **JRoy** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:12 am

G-Heel wrote:Prime Jameer was an all star. I like Markelle, but he's not an all star.

Fultz is a marginal starter at best and really ought to be coming off the bench.

Darth Magic · Post #32 » by **Darth Magic** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:13 am

Residual-Heat wrote:I might take Jameer on this team and Fultz on the Dwight teams .

Exactly

Max Power · Post #33 » by **Max Power** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:12 pm

You definitely pick the absolute best version of Jameer Nelson here. He was an all star, a leader for a decade and could hit huge shots from anywhere, including the 3. That’s not a knock on Markelle, who I’m a huge fan of and who’s becoming a leader, but Jameer was the better player at his best. Markelle’s got some time to stake a better claim later on though.

AaronB · Post #34 » by **AaronB** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:58 pm

Fultz healthy for 70 games is an easy pick over Jameer.

Fultz healthy for only 50 or less is an easy pick of Jameer.

Somewhere in the middle is not easy either way.

RookieStar · Post #35 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:45 pm

davey_wavy wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I would take any starter and some bench players from the ‘08-‘10 teams over the majority of the players we have now. That ‘08-‘10 teams were pioneering what we know now as the modern NBA. Also, I do understand most of those players on the older teams were older players, many in their prime while ours now are very young. So what our current players would look like in their primes will probably better than those on the ‘08-‘10 teams.

I’d be happy with the Polish Hammer backing up WCJ

I think, prime Gortat would be my pick to start over WCJ. He is a legit 7footer and can intimidate drives by the opponents. Can't shoot from 3s though.

Message Boar · Post #36 » by **Message Boar** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:52 pm

Prime Jameer easily.

Optimus_Steel · Post #37 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:06 pm

Jameer's game is perfectly suited for the modern NBA. Elite 3pt shooter combined with being a floor general makes this an easy choice.

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Skybox · Post #38 » by **Skybox** » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:29 am

I think I’ll go with the All-Star on this one

p0peye · Post #39 » by **p0peye** » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:30 am

This must be a trick question.

drsd · Post #40 » by **drsd** » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:22 am

p0peye wrote:This must be a trick question.

Across the board 24yo-Fultz was better than 24yo-Nelson. It is not a close comparison.

link: Jameer Nelson (2007-2007) vs. Markelle Fultz (2023-2023): Head-to-Head Stats Comparison