The Brock Purdy Thread

[Pattersonca65]

Just listed 2 things Purdy does well, but whatevs.

One of which is a backhanded compliment that you have mentioned over and over. You think Purdy is a system QB and is only good because of Kyle's QB friendly system and the playmakers

I think they make him look much better than he is in reality. People say that Kirk Cousins is a system QB as well, and Purdy isn't any better than him.

Purdy hasn't even started a full season of games and Cousins has been in the league for a decade. What a crappy comparison

[Pattersonca65]

Then why do you keep ignoring everything good they say about him?

He's had an agenda ever since they traded his man crush away

Just listed 2 things Purdy does well, but whatevs.

Which you always preface with some bs comment

[Big J]

One of which is a backhanded compliment that you have mentioned over and over. You think Purdy is a system QB and is only good because of Kyle's QB friendly system and the playmakers

I think they make him look much better than he is in reality. People say that Kirk Cousins is a system QB as well, and Purdy isn't any better than him.

Purdy hasn't even started a full season of games and Cousins has been in the league for a decade. What a crappy comparison

Most available QB comps will have been in the league longer than him. Who is your comp for him if mine is so crappy?

[Pattersonca65]

I think they make him look much better than he is in reality. People say that Kirk Cousins is a system QB as well, and Purdy isn't any better than him.

Purdy hasn't even started a full season of games and Cousins has been in the league for a decade. What a crappy comparison

Most available QB comps will have been in the league longer than him. Who is your comp for him if mine is so crappy?

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

[arich35]

Oh look another top QB struggling, this time against Dallas.
News flash, being a QB is hard, they will all have bad games even multiple in a year

[Big J]

Purdy hasn't even started a full season of games and Cousins has been in the league for a decade. What a crappy comparison

Most available QB comps will have been in the league longer than him. Who is your comp for him if mine is so crappy?

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

[CrimsonCrew]

Most available QB comps will have been in the league longer than him. Who is your comp for him if mine is so crappy?

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

Perhaps we could look at other players in their second years who may have been comparable. I don't know that there's much of a list out there, but it's worth considering.

As far as him being at his peak, that's silly. Peak productivity? Sure, that's possible, given the collection of talent and coaching around him. And given that his and the team's productivity have been elite to date by just about any metric, that's fine. But we should expect him to personally improve as a player.

As good as Purdy's grasp has been of the game to date for a young player, we should have every reason to expect that it will improve. Year-two Peyton Manning couldn't read a defense the way year-ten Manning could. The same is presumably true of Purdy. There is also some precedent for NFL QBs improving their arm strength as they mature physically and refine their mechanics and offseason routines. There's also a good chance that he will improve those deep balls that he struggled with early in the season. Guys like Brady and Brees showed a lot of development in that area, independent of arm strength.

[Pattersonca65]

Most available QB comps will have been in the league longer than him. Who is your comp for him if mine is so crappy?

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

The idiotic thing is to state a QB who hasn't even played one season of games is the equivalent to a player who has been in the league for over ad decade. You keep saying the same moronic thing about seeing his peak right now. You are just stuck on stupid.

[Big J]

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

The idiotic thing is to state a QB who hasn't even played one season of games is the equivalent to a player who has been in the league for over ad decade. You keep saying the same moronic thing about seeing his peak right now. You are just stuck on stupid.

It’s a comp bro. You’ve never heard of them? Scouts do them all the time for guys who aren’t even in the league yet. Caleb Williams is being comped to Mahomes by many scouts. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that using your idiotic reasoning.

[Big J]

I am.not comping a 10 year vet to essentially a first year player since one player hS hit his peak and the other is still growing. We don't know where he will be in a couple of years

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

Perhaps we could look at other players in their second years who may have been comparable. I don't know that there's much of a list out there, but it's worth considering.

As far as him being at his peak, that's silly. Peak productivity? Sure, that's possible, given the collection of talent and coaching around him. And given that his and the team's productivity have been elite to date by just about any metric, that's fine. But we should expect him to personally improve as a player.

As good as Purdy's grasp has been of the game to date for a young player, we should have every reason to expect that it will improve. Year-two Peyton Manning couldn't read a defense the way year-ten Manning could. The same is presumably true of Purdy. There is also some precedent for NFL QBs improving their arm strength as they mature physically and refine their mechanics and offseason routines. There's also a good chance that he will improve those deep balls that he struggled with early in the season. Guys like Brady and Brees showed a lot of development in that area, independent of arm strength.

Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.

[Pattersonca65]

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

The idiotic thing is to state a QB who hasn't even played one season of games is the equivalent to a player who has been in the league for over ad decade. You keep saying the same moronic thing about seeing his peak right now. You are just stuck on stupid.

It’s a comp bro. You’ve never heard of them? Scouts do them all the time for guys who aren’t even in the league yet. Caleb Williams is being comped to Mahomes by many scouts. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that using your idiotic reasoning.

Bro, it is really dumb. Making those dumb comparisons is why these guys screw up so much. It is why your hero was so lauded and now he is stuck on a bench. People can make comparisons to established players, doesn't make those look any more idiotic like you continually do.

[Pattersonca65]

:wink:

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

Perhaps we could look at other players in their second years who may have been comparable. I don't know that there's much of a list out there, but it's worth considering.

As far as him being at his peak, that's silly. Peak productivity? Sure, that's possible, given the collection of talent and coaching around him. And given that his and the team's productivity have been elite to date by just about any metric, that's fine. But we should expect him to personally improve as a player.

As good as Purdy's grasp has been of the game to date for a young player, we should have every reason to expect that it will improve. Year-two Peyton Manning couldn't read a defense the way year-ten Manning could. The same is presumably true of Purdy. There is also some precedent for NFL QBs improving their arm strength as they mature physically and refine their mechanics and offseason routines. There's also a good chance that he will improve those deep balls that he struggled with early in the season. Guys like Brady and Brees showed a lot of development in that area, independent of arm strength.

Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.

LOL, you really didn't get his point. Not surprised

[Big J]

The idiotic thing is to state a QB who hasn't even played one season of games is the equivalent to a player who has been in the league for over ad decade. You keep saying the same moronic thing about seeing his peak right now. You are just stuck on stupid.

It’s a comp bro. You’ve never heard of them? Scouts do them all the time for guys who aren’t even in the league yet. Caleb Williams is being comped to Mahomes by many scouts. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that using your idiotic reasoning.

Bro, it is really dumb. Making those dumb comparisons is why these guys screw up so much. It is why your hero was so lauded and now he is stuck on a bench. People can make comparisons to established players, doesn't make those look any more idiotic like you continually do.

lol, okay. I guess you know better than professional scouts.

[CrimsonCrew]

:wink:

So we’re only allowed to compare him to other 2nd year players? That’s idiotic. None of the other 2nd year guys have a similar archetype to him. We’re also most likely seeing his Peak right now. He’s never going to have better weapons or coaching around him.

Perhaps we could look at other players in their second years who may have been comparable. I don't know that there's much of a list out there, but it's worth considering.

As far as him being at his peak, that's silly. Peak productivity? Sure, that's possible, given the collection of talent and coaching around him. And given that his and the team's productivity have been elite to date by just about any metric, that's fine. But we should expect him to personally improve as a player.

As good as Purdy's grasp has been of the game to date for a young player, we should have every reason to expect that it will improve. Year-two Peyton Manning couldn't read a defense the way year-ten Manning could. The same is presumably true of Purdy. There is also some precedent for NFL QBs improving their arm strength as they mature physically and refine their mechanics and offseason routines. There's also a good chance that he will improve those deep balls that he struggled with early in the season. Guys like Brady and Brees showed a lot of development in that area, independent of arm strength.

Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.

I'm not using them as comps, I'm merely pointing out that these guys developed - in some cases considerably - as players. Quite a lot in the case of Brees and Brady. And Manning, widely considered the headiest QB possibly ever, wasn't that guy two years in. To the extent that they could be considered "comps," they are reasonable comparisons to Purdy because none possessed elite tangibles. Manning had a very good but not elite arm, but very little in the movement department. The other two really had no discernible physical traits, and demonstrably weak arms, but turned into elite deep ball throwers.

Most NFL players develop during their careers. Some didn't, and many plateaued earlier than hoped. We don't know what will happen with Purdy, but it would be unusual for him not to improve at all from his second season. You are the one who is arguing he's maxed out. I'm simply saying that's a silly position that isn't rooted in any sort of reality. Will Purdy be the next Drew Brees? It's pretty unlikely. But I don't think there's any reason to unequivocally rule it out at this point, either.

[Big J]

:wink:

Perhaps we could look at other players in their second years who may have been comparable. I don't know that there's much of a list out there, but it's worth considering.

As far as him being at his peak, that's silly. Peak productivity? Sure, that's possible, given the collection of talent and coaching around him. And given that his and the team's productivity have been elite to date by just about any metric, that's fine. But we should expect him to personally improve as a player.

As good as Purdy's grasp has been of the game to date for a young player, we should have every reason to expect that it will improve. Year-two Peyton Manning couldn't read a defense the way year-ten Manning could. The same is presumably true of Purdy. There is also some precedent for NFL QBs improving their arm strength as they mature physically and refine their mechanics and offseason routines. There's also a good chance that he will improve those deep balls that he struggled with early in the season. Guys like Brady and Brees showed a lot of development in that area, independent of arm strength.

Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.

I'm not using them as comps, I'm merely pointing out that these guys developed - in some cases considerably - as players. Quite a lot in the case of Brees and Brady. And Manning, widely considered the headiest QB possibly ever, wasn't that guy two years in. To the extent that they could be considered "comps," they are reasonable comparisons to Purdy because none possessed elite tangibles. Manning had a very good but not elite arm, but very little in the movement department. The other two really had no discernible physical traits, and demonstrably weak arms, but turned into elite deep ball throwers.

Most NFL players develop during their careers. Some didn't, and many plateaued earlier than hoped. We don't know what will happen with Purdy, but it would be unusual for him not to improve at all from his second season. You are the one who is arguing he's maxed out. I'm simply saying that's a silly position that isn't rooted in any sort of reality. Will Purdy be the next Drew Brees? It's pretty unlikely. But I don't think there's any reason to unequivocally rule it out at this point, either.

Purdy reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie. The plucky little underdog who is fun to root for. Flutie played in a different era, and had a different start to his career, but there are a lot of similarities.

[Pattersonca65]

It’s a comp bro. You’ve never heard of them? Scouts do them all the time for guys who aren’t even in the league yet. Caleb Williams is being comped to Mahomes by many scouts. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that using your idiotic reasoning.

Bro, it is really dumb. Making those dumb comparisons is why these guys screw up so much. It is why your hero was so lauded and now he is stuck on a bench. People can make comparisons to established players, doesn't make those look any more idiotic like you continually do.

lol, okay. I guess you know better than professional scouts.

These comps fail far more than they materialize. These guys get it wrong all the time. The success rate of first round QBs is about 34%

[Big J]

Bro, it is really dumb. Making those dumb comparisons is why these guys screw up so much. It is why your hero was so lauded and now he is stuck on a bench. People can make comparisons to established players, doesn't make those look any more idiotic like you continually do.

lol, okay. I guess you know better than professional scouts.

These comps fail far more than they materialize. These guys get it wrong all the time. The success rate of first round QBs is about 34%

That’s not really the point, but whatever. There is a reason that they all make comps.

[CrimsonCrew]

:wink:

Manning, Brady, Brees? Can’t we use a little more realistic comps? These 3 are all first ballot HOFers.

I'm not using them as comps, I'm merely pointing out that these guys developed - in some cases considerably - as players. Quite a lot in the case of Brees and Brady. And Manning, widely considered the headiest QB possibly ever, wasn't that guy two years in. To the extent that they could be considered "comps," they are reasonable comparisons to Purdy because none possessed elite tangibles. Manning had a very good but not elite arm, but very little in the movement department. The other two really had no discernible physical traits, and demonstrably weak arms, but turned into elite deep ball throwers.

Most NFL players develop during their careers. Some didn't, and many plateaued earlier than hoped. We don't know what will happen with Purdy, but it would be unusual for him not to improve at all from his second season. You are the one who is arguing he's maxed out. I'm simply saying that's a silly position that isn't rooted in any sort of reality. Will Purdy be the next Drew Brees? It's pretty unlikely. But I don't think there's any reason to unequivocally rule it out at this point, either.

Purdy reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie. The plucky little underdog who is fun to root for. Flutie played in a different era, and had a different start to his career, but there are a lot of similarities.

Re: Manning in particular, he came out as one of if not the most advanced QBs in league history. Pedigree, lineage. He'd been a QB since birth basically. And even he improved a lot from the time he entered the league. So why wouldn't we expect Purdy to?

I didn't watch enough of Flutie to have a strong recollection of him, but even accounting for a different era, his completion percentage was never above 60%, and those were small sample sizes. In full seasons, he was closer to 57%. Even accounting for supporting cast and coaching, Purdy has been really good. Why do you feel so compelled to rush to dismiss him? We've got over a year-and-a-half to see what happens with him.

And in the short term, there's no doubt but that he was the better choice than Lance.

[CrimsonCrew]

lol, okay. I guess you know better than professional scouts.

These comps fail far more than they materialize. These guys get it wrong all the time. The success rate of first round QBs is about 34%

That’s not really the point, but whatever. There is a reason that they all make comps.

What is the point? If the comps aren't good, and all these first-round picks with great comps fail 70% of the time, why do we have to use them?

From a physical standpoint, probably the best comp for Purdy is Drew Brees. In terms of measurables, they are remarkably similar. I can't easily think of a comp in terms of processing, poise, vision, etc. at such a young age. Granted most of the guys who might be comparable in that area were playing on bad teams.

[Pattersonca65]

lol, okay. I guess you know better than professional scouts.

These comps fail far more than they materialize. These guys get it wrong all the time. The success rate of first round QBs is about 34%

That’s not really the point, but whatever. There is a reason that they all make comps.

Um, it kinda is. Your comps are BS