Preseason Game 4: Bucks at Thunder - 10/17/23 - 7:00 - Bally's App Only

Daver · Post #361 » by **Daver** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:29 am

Neuromancer56 wrote:
Daver wrote:So did beas earn the starting 2 spot tonight or this board still on the narjon bandwagon
Dre's the one who deserves it.

Huh why the hell does be deserve it

Post #362 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:29 am

Bucksmaniac wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Any "concern" about Dame or the team at this point is odd.

I think it’s very fair to have concern. Reports that Dame didn’t stay in shape over the summer or practice much is kind of an important piece, and when you’re getting paid as much as he is and creating this drama it’s not a good look for him, the NBA and could be concerning for the Bucks. Hope he gets back in shape soon, might be ok for a bit just because of his gravity but if the opposition starts to sniff he is no longer lethal we’re cooked in terms of championship prospects.

A bunch of new players, new coaching staff and new schemes. It was always going to take time for the team to gel. Our starters haven't even played one minute together.

So yeah I think to be concerned in the preseason is odd. Even into the regular season. If we get to December and the team hasn't gelled I'll be concerned.

Daver · Post #363 » by **Daver** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:35 am

MickeyDavis wrote:
Bucksmaniac wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Any "concern" about Dame or the team at this point is odd.

I think it’s very fair to have concern. Reports that Dame didn’t stay in shape over the summer or practice much is kind of an important piece, and when you’re getting paid as much as he is and creating this drama it’s not a good look for him, the NBA and could be concerning for the Bucks. Hope he gets back in shape soon, might be ok for a bit just because of his gravity but if the opposition starts to sniff he is no longer lethal we’re cooked in terms of championship prospects.

A bunch of new players, new coaching staff and new schemes. It was always going to take time for the team to gel. Our starters haven't even played one minute together.

So yeah I think to be concerned in the preseason is odd. Even into the regular season. If we get to December and the team hasn't gelled I'll be concerned.

Gotta be careful how far we fall behind in december if it takes that long to gel dont wanna get to far behind the celts or even the cavs.Does bother me a little though that other teams added new players n have already built that chemistry in the PS while we again cant seem to get all the starters on the floor at the same time with only 1 ps game to go

msiris · Post #364 » by **msiris** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:38 am

Marjon handles are not good enough to be a consistent rotation player. AJJ is already a better player and plays with more energy,

ANTETOKOUNBROS · Post #365 » by **ANTETOKOUNBROS** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:39 am

TroyD92 wrote:Rolo:
17 min, 0 pts, 3 rebounds, 0 ast, 2 to.

That’s what happens when you are washed and unplayable.

drone3 · Post #366 » by **drone3** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:44 am

Time to cut Wigginton and add a young C to develop and takeover from Robin

soxperry · Post #367 » by **soxperry** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:52 am

Dre clearly went into that game thinking green light from beyond the arc. I wonder if he was coached to do that or just his own thought process. Regardless, even though it wasn't always pretty, i am encouraged by his fearlessness. Where as you can see Marjon thinking when he's got the ball, Dre is mostly instinct. You see a little more thought when he's making passing decisions but not when he's deciding to go or not (he's a living "go")

Jez2983 · Post #368 » by **Jez2983** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:03 am

blazza18 wrote:Dame has to get both back in shape and adjust to being on a completely different team. The struggles are frustrating but he'll be fine and we're going to look much better once it comes.

How Griffin manages the 7-10 spots in the rotation is going to be super interesting. No one really standing out yet.

Will need to be talked into this team being above average defensively this season. Big task for Griffin and his coaching staff.

We will be above average by virtue of Giannis and Brook. AJJ, Marjon should be good. Pat is fine and Crowder, if in shape, should be good.

What I think (?) you are asking is to be convinced that we have a championship-worthy defence here (doesn't need to be the best, just good enough) and yeah, 100% with you. With 3 all-team defenders last year our D still got picked apart in the playoffs. Griffin does indeed have a big job, but we have time.

fan230 · Post #369 » by **fan230** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:10 am

At this point, I think it is Beasley or Pat who will start. Not ajj or mjb.

If Khris is not playing, Jae also starts.

ShootingtheJ · Post #370 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:23 am

Krispy Kreme wrote:Livingston and TyTy have looked better this preseason than Marjon has.

Marjon was awesome in game 3.

randy84 · Post #371 » by **randy84** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:32 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Livingston and TyTy have looked better this preseason than Marjon has.

Marjon was awesome in game 3.

He was the only player with a negative plus/minus. I'm not sure that is the definition of awesome.

MVP2110 · Post #372 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:36 am

If I didn't know the draft pedigree of MarJon & Andre Jackson Jr. I'd think that AJJ was the 1st round pick. The dude is so smooth on the court and consistently makes winning plays, if he added a passable jump shot watch out. AJJ needs to be in the rotation this year

drone3 · Post #373 » by **drone3** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:46 am

Would like to see this rotation for the second unit

Cam
AJ
Patty
Dre
Portis

drone3 · Post #374 » by **drone3** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:48 am

drone3 wrote:Would like to see this rotation for the second unit

Cam
AJ
Patty
Dre
Portis

Surround Dre with shooters, he needs to attack the rim and drive kick.

ShootingtheJ · Post #375 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:18 am

randy84 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Livingston and TyTy have looked better this preseason than Marjon has.

Marjon was awesome in game 3.

He was the only player with a negative plus/minus. I'm not sure that is the definition of awesome.

Single game plus/minus? Do we give that even an once of credence?

chonestown · Post #376 » by **chonestown** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:18 am

Daver wrote:So did beas earn the starting 2 spot tonight or this board still on the narjon bandwagon

narjon

Milbucks96 · Post #377 » by **Milbucks96** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:23 am

I don’t think Dame is washed and I think he is still a really good player. It would also be very bucks like to end up with a washed and not very good Damian Lillard.

I hope Khris can go the last game of preseason and is fully healthy. I need this see this team whole again before I can really sit down and think about playoffs, and how the coaching staff is running things. I don’t want to see Rolo on an nba court ever again.

Fotis St · Post #378 » by **Fotis St** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:28 am

Just watching the whole game... We have ONE serious offensive problem .... Giannis and the whole team needs to pass the ball to Dame first after the rebound ... Giannis initiating the offense and occupying Dame's area of expertise at the top of the key needs to be put to the Bud's Random Basketball graveyard. Giannis needs to set screens correctly and clean the space fast for Dame to operate. Either dive hard to the paint or clear away from Dame fast. For example I saw Giannis setting a pick, defense switches and Giannis just stopped at the 3, not clearing the space and ball watched Dame... Dame on the other hand from Giannis not clearing the space was basically denied his right hand drive... which led to a contested of pace 3 miss. Point Giannis needs to be brought down to 10%. Dame isn't a wing guard, he operates at the top of the key. Running the wing and taking the ball curling with an off hand pass is a Middleton & others no handles play. We are not treating Dame well on offense, we need to fix this asap.

It starts with Giannis ...
Giannis let Dame be Dame and you run the wing

BucksFanSD · Post #379 » by **BucksFanSD** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:33 am

What Fotis said above is correct. Giannis needs to let Dame initiate things. Dame didn't play much this summer and it shows some. He also is a guy that lives at the line and pre-season is not made for veterans being aggressive and getting to the line.

KidA24 · Post #380 » by **KidA24** » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:46 am

Fotis St wrote:Just watching the whole game... We have ONE serious offensive problem .... Giannis and the whole team needs to pass the ball to Dame first after the rebound ... Giannis initiating the offense and occupying Dame's area of expertise at the top of the key needs to be put to the Bud's Random Basketball graveyard. Giannis needs to set screens correctly and clean the space fast for Dame to operate. Either dive hard to the paint or clear away from Dame fast. For example I saw Giannis setting a pick, defense switches and Giannis just stopped at the 3, not clearing the space and ball watched Dame... Dame on the other hand from Giannis not clearing the space was basically denied his right hand drive... which led to a contested of pace 3 miss. Point Giannis needs to be brought down to 10%. Dame isn't a wing guard, he operates at the top of the key. Running the wing and taking the ball curling with an off hand pass is a Middleton & others no handles play. We are not treating Dame well on offense, we need to fix this asap.

It starts with Giannis ...
Giannis let Dame be Dame and you run the wing

It's like you didn't watch the last two years. The Bucks won the title because Giannis became the best rim runner ever.

He learned nothing from that. Still insists on having the ball, shooting awful early shot clock threes and throwing blind passes after making bad drives into three defenders.

I love Giannis, but he is gonna take months to buy in, if he ever does.

https://www.si.com/nba/2014/09/25/milwaukee-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-point-guard

He still thinks he's a point guard.