Michaellam1987 wrote:tleikheen wrote:Concern: Have we seen this movie before?
Will we start to see any progress in the definition of roles when Dončić and Kyrie Irving are on the floor together? In the limited minutes Dončić and Irving shared the floor on Thursday, it sure seemed like Irving was relegated to the “camping in the corner” role with Dončić dominating the ball at times, didn’t it?
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/10/6/23905748/mavericks-vs-timberwolves-preview-what-to-watch
Already this is a concern ....in a Lukacentric offense EVERYONE camps out at the 3 pt line for do or die shots. Same old coach ,same old predictable offense
Can’t agree anymore than that. We have no improvement in game plan at all.
This whole argument is just a BS.
What can Kyrie do when he does not have the ball?
Unless you pair Kyrie with Embiid, this is what you will get.
What did Iverson do when Melo had the ball with Denver Nuggets?
Small guards tends to wait outside offering spacing when they defer to another perimeter playmaker. Unless you are S.Curry-JJ Redick type of run-around-the-picks to find open shot player, you will stay tight.
No one expected Kyrie or Luka to improve each others game by two-men plays. The expectation was that when Luka's (ball) side gets overloaded, Luka will have the option to pass (defer) the offense to Kyrie, who can create his own scoring.
Brunson was kinda doing this as well. And he was successful with this role. Mavs made WCF with Luka-centric offense, Brunson being 2nd creator. Mavs did not have offensive problems with Luka-Brunson. It was always defense and rebounding.
Kyrie-Tatum (Celtics)
if Kyrie did not have the ball, he waited. Tatum was not better with Kyrie.
Kyrie-Harden (Nets)
when Harden had the ball, Kyrie was deactive. Harden was not better with Kyrie.
Kyrie-Lebron (Cavs)
when Lebron had the ball, Kyrie mostly waited on the other side. Since Lebron was a better roll man, they may have played more p&r. But it was not that much. Lebron was not better with Kyrie IMO. Cavs still made the Finals without Kyrie in Lebron's last year and Lebron performed better statically without Kyrie. (not having Kyrie was not better for Cavs but the point is Kyrie does not make other ball-dominant star players game better)
now its Kyrie-Luka (Mavs).
Kyrie will stay in 3pt line. Because he is that type of player.
- No coach will bring a Steph Curry out of Kyrie.
- No coach will make Luka into an elite roll man. Luka is not going to dunk the ball like Giannis-Embiid. Luka as a roll man would be invite for injuries anyway.
Accept the fact that Kyrie is not the best match for Luka. Kyrie is a Brunson replacement. In theory, if team defense is good enough, it will be nicer to have Kyrie in WCF than to have Brunson. Luka can bring this team to glory with a solid defense similar to Dirk having his best years with solid defensive teams. If Mavs can acquire solid center and defenders with Kyrie that'be like Lebron's Cavs. If Mavs cannot acquire solid center and defenders with Kyrie it will be Brooklyn Nets. I think our best bet is trading Kyrie and get back a solid center and 6th men type of guard
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