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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#181 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:03 pm

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shrink wrote:I agree, and I’m thinking more about December, when we might have some matching salary.

Branch Ricky once said, “Trade a player a year too early, not a year too late.” That makes me wonder if Minott and Garza (and filler) (traded too early) would bring back Suggs (traded too late)?

Finally, it wouldn’t hurt icy Minnesota’s reputation if players saw that the organization was willing to trade players to teams that could further their career, rather than keep them locked away where it would take other players’ injuries for them to advance.


But why do that deal?

Garza looks like a pure scoring big man. That’s great to have.

Minott looking like he can pass it some? Teardrop?

Suggs is a project too. We have Clark who appears to be a defender.

How many points will Garza score for Minnesota with no minutes?

How many passes will Minott make if he’s firmly planted on the bench?

I agree those guys have those qualities, but they won’t have nearly the chance to produce in Minnesota, buried behind four substantially better, win-now bigs, versus some other teams where they would actually get playing time because they would be on the edge of another team’s rotation. That makes them more valuable to them than to us, and potential trade commodities.

I see Ant, KAT, Gobert, McDaniels, Conley, Naz or SloMo as more valuable to us, our continuity, and our desire to win now.

As for Suggs specifically, I just wanted to use him as an example. I don’t have the time to research him. But off the top of my head, he does have some qualities I like. Namely, some experience to help now (Clark is two years away), young, not expensive (yet!), on a PG-laden team, and with local ties. But some other young (2nd or third year) PG could work, and have Clark coming up behind later.

Garza likely will score very little for the Wolves, but hey he's going to set the G League all time scoring record.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#182 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:22 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:To me the lack of respect we are getting is mind blowing. Predictions of top 8 in the west by several sports writers on NBA.Com
https://www.nba.com/news/trending-topics-nba-standings-west-predictions


Hollinger;
https://theathletic.com/4965360/2023/10/18/nba-win-totals-predictions-lakers-warriors-grizzlies-western-conference/
3 (tie). Minnesota Timberwolves (48-34)

It’s amazing yet true: One year after making one of the worst trades in NBA history, the Timberwolves are likely to be one of the league’s best teams.

While giving up Walker Kessler and five future firsts for the right to overpay Rudy Gobert through 2026 is an all-time stinker that will sting this franchise with a vengeance in the second half of the decade, they haven’t had to pay the piper yet.

Instead, this is the last year when everything is still fun: Anthony Edwards and Jaden McDaniels are each on the final year of their rookie deals, and Karl-Anthony Towns’ extension hasn’t kicked in yet. Minnesota was able to spend its exception money, re-sign Naz Reid and still keep a couple million in wiggle room below the luxury-tax line. That all changes a year from now, but the present looks good.

Partly, that’s because the front office did a tremendous job digging out from the Gobert disaster over the last 12 months. Trading for Mike Conley and Nickeil Alexander-Walker stabilized the backcourt at midseason, while offseason moves to add Troy Brown and Shake Milton further solidified the bench. (Smart alecks will note that removing Chris Finch’s ability to play Austin Rivers should also help.) The Gobert trade also overshadowed a genuinely sharp move to ink the vastly underrated Kyle Anderson for the midlevel exception, a huge value at that price. (He, alas, will be an unrestricted free agent after the season.)

Wolves president Tim Connelly also had an incredible draft record in Denver, so it will be interesting to see how some of his late-draft picks turn out in Minnesota. We didn’t see much last year: Wendell Moore was just a rumor, and Josh Minott was a raw one-and-done, but if those two and 2023 second-rounder Leonard Miller turn into real pieces, that makes the future a lot more palatable.

Of course, much of the reason for optimism is the emergence of Edwards, an elite athlete still figuring out how to use all his tools. This summer, the FIBA version of Anthony Edwards showed both the best and worst of his game — taking over as a go-to guy because of his ability to create a shot at a moment’s notice but finishing last on the team in true shooting because of his iffy ability to read the game and pursue high-percentage opportunities.

The other reason Minnesota started slowly last year was the poor frontcourt chemistry between Gobert and Towns, but they had seemed to work out many of the kinks by the time the playoffs started. It’s still an unnatural fit, with Towns shoehorned into a perimeter role on both ends of the floor and Gobert’s hands and finishing as a roll man having markedly declined from his peak in Utah. One still wonders if the best endgame for the Wolves is to move off Towns before his $216 million extension kicks in next year in exchange for somebody who is a better positional fit for this roster.

Again, other gremlins lurk just over the horizon. Conley, Anderson and McDaniels are all free agents after the season, and the team will end up deep in the luxury tax if it keeps more than one of them. Also, there are no draft picks left to trade to replenish things, let alone to acquire any other young players. Even the good news is bad: Edwards’ emergence may well result in an All-NBA selection … and change his extension to a supermax, which would push the Wolves further into the 2024-25 luxury tax. But those worries can wait until next summer.

I feel like I might be alone here in my Wolves optimism: Not one of the 30 execs in the league’s GM survey picked the Wolves in the top four in the West. (Pedantic side note: I’ve listed this finish as a tie, but technically, the Suns projected with three-tenths more wins than Minnesota.) However, the logic pencils out: This roster has a really strong top seven, with some interesting depth pieces mixed in, and the key players are more likely to play more games than those of the other teams in this range.

So, Minnesota fans, enjoy these last precious days of your brief Edwards-era summer before the harsh winter comes. The 2023-24 season should be a fun party, at least, especially if you ignore the Arctic blast of salary-cap reality that’s about to blow in.

Winter blues hit you early this year? I never seen such gloomy positive post. It does have a lot of good content. We can be anywhere from #3 to #11 this year. So, I am glad Wolves are taking pre season seriously and try to get off to a fast start (unlike the Vikings). Cloudy the future is but I am sure we will figure out a good way around the caps next summer as we had discussed some of those options before which include trading anyone as long as it improves the team. I am glad the cap tax is not like Ramsey county property tax where it keeps going up and we get double charged. At least we are keeping our top 7 or 8 players and you expect Minott or Miller to have a bench role in 2024 so that is not a bad start. You should worry more for Clippers, Suns and Nuggets

Yep Hollinger's comments were the most negative praise for anything that I have ever read.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#183 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:25 pm

shrink wrote:How many points will Garza score for Minnesota with no minutes?

How many passes will Minott make if he’s firmly planted on the bench?

Being a Timberwolves fan as long as you've been, it shouldn't be hard to envision how this can happen. Do you remember when we had to sign Mickael Gelabale and Chris Johnson off the street and immediately inserting them into the rotation? Do you remember trading for Darko Milicic who was out of the rotation on a 29-win Knicks team and immediately giving him 25 mpg and a starting spot?

If you unnecessarily trade the depth that we have, this is what will happen.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#184 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:49 pm

He's back! (in Iowa, it's an Exhibit 10)

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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#185 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:11 pm

Klomp wrote:He's back! (in Iowa, it's an Exhibit 10)

Read on Twitter

Sounds good. He looked pretty good in SL. Do we still have the PG Miller in the organization. He looked like the best player we had in SL.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#186 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:18 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Do we still have the PG Miller in the organization. He looked like the best player we had in SL.

Are you talking Isaiah Miller from two summers ago? I'm not sure he's anywhere, he ended last summer with Jazz G League affiliate.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#187 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:22 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Do we still have the PG Miller in the organization. He looked like the best player we had in SL.

Are you talking Isaiah Miller from two summers ago? I'm not sure he's anywhere, he ended last summer with Jazz G League affiliate.

I was thinking our starting pg at this year SL was a guy named Miller. I'm sure I'm mixing the name up. Whoever our starting PG was at this years SL. In my brain it was Miller, but of course our first draft pick this year was Miller. I have the program. I'll go look. It was Brandon Williams wasn't it. I was close :lol: .
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#188 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:31 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Do we still have the PG Miller in the organization. He looked like the best player we had in SL.

Are you talking Isaiah Miller from two summers ago? I'm not sure he's anywhere, he ended last summer with Jazz G League affiliate.

I was thinking our starting pg at this year SL was a guy named Miller. I'm sure I'm mixing the name up. Whoever our starting PG was at this years SL. In my brain it was Miller, but of course our first draft pick this year was Miller. I have the program. I'll go look. It was Brandon Williams wasn't it. I was close :lol: .

Ah yes, Williams.

I think he's in Orlando training camp on an Exhibit 10.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#189 » by minimus » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:16 pm

cmoss84 wrote:I just saw the boxscore...Miller had 15 boards and a guard had 19/10...are you able to go into detail a bit more about the game? Appreciate it!
(I think there is one more preseason game tonight)


Miller is very active on boards and has good, quick hands. Plus he runs well in transition and has quick second, third jump. Nix got hot from 3pt line and hit his first four threes and was very comfortable with ball in his hands as main ballhandler.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#190 » by Saltine » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:37 pm

Chris Finch says Mike Conley (illness) & Karl-Anthony Towns (right knee) are OUT tonight vs. Bulls.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#191 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Saltine wrote:Chris Finch says Mike Conley (illness) & Karl-Anthony Towns (right knee) are OUT tonight vs. Bulls.

KAT out with injury is VERY BAD NEWS!
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#192 » by Neeva » Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:01 pm

Why is kat so injury prone all of a sudden since 2020.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#193 » by KGdaBom » Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:30 pm

Neeva wrote:Why is kat so injury prone all of a sudden since 2020.

That's the $64 million a year question.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#194 » by Saltine » Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:42 pm

Jon Krawczynski

KAT sitting out tonight. Finch told @WolvesRadio there’s some right knee soreness. Sounds right now like it’s just a precautionary thing. Night off gives him almost a week to get back to 100% for the opener.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#195 » by wolves_89 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:06 am

Based on the minutes/rotation the last couple of games, I'm starting to expect that Nix will get the last two-way spot.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#196 » by TimberKat » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:29 am

I know it's still early in the season, but if the playoffs starts today, the Wolves would be the number one seed in the West ahead of GSW. - Just wanted to get the statement in as we don't get to say that often :D :D
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#197 » by wolves_89 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:45 am

I've been impressed by Troy Brown Jr this preseason. He's got above average defense, solid shooting, and good size/athletic ability. He probably would have been among the top 7 or 8 best players on most Wolves teams of the last 20 years (and likely could have started on quite a few).
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#198 » by shrink » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:51 am

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:How many points will Garza score for Minnesota with no minutes?

How many passes will Minott make if he’s firmly planted on the bench?

Being a Timberwolves fan as long as you've been, it shouldn't be hard to envision how this can happen. Do you remember when we had to sign Mickael Gelabale and Chris Johnson off the street and immediately inserting them into the rotation? Do you remember trading for Darko Milicic who was out of the rotation on a 29-win Knicks team and immediately giving him 25 mpg and a starting spot?

If you unnecessarily trade the depth that we have, this is what will happen.

So, your point is that over huge numbers of years in wolves history, you can find a few instances where the team should have carried seven rotation-worthy bigs on year-long contracts?

Ok, yes, those freak combinations of multiple injuries occasionally happen. But teams don’t invest salaries and roster spots into preparing for that unlikely event.

Let me gives an analogy. We can hold a palmful, of sand without letting any slip between our fingers. Maybe two. If we try to hold seven, a lot of the sand leaks out, and it doesn’t help us build the sand castle. If we are paying seven rotation bigs, the value for 2-3 is leaking out. At a minimum, at least one player should be traded for something for useful than the rare chance four bigs in front are out.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#199 » by wolves_89 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:09 pm

It looks like Jaylen Nowell has been waived by the Kings. Last season Nowell, Rivers, and Forbes combined to play over 2500 minutes for the Wolves, and none of them are even on an NBA roster to start the season. I'm not sure that we really appreciate how much of an upgrade Milton, NAW, and Brown are going to be.
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Re: 2023-24 preseason 

Post#200 » by minimus » Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:18 pm

wolves_89 wrote:I've been impressed by Troy Brown Jr this preseason. He's got above average defense, solid shooting, and good size/athletic ability. He probably would have been among the top 7 or 8 best players on most Wolves teams of the last 20 years (and likely could have started on quite a few).


I am surprised that Brown has some juice in his game, he has had some pretty passes, fancy dribbling, step back threes and floaters. It opens more opportunities for him as ballhandler.

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