Stotts Steps Down

[Wonka]

A lot of you are revealing how poorly you’d let your bosses treat you in the name of a paycheck lol

[Epicurus]

"Wow you read that from what you have highlighted that stotts went on his own instead of staying like all the other assts did n still difnt come back evrn after AG the 1st time asked him to.
You sure have a vendetta for AG if thats what you read.Hes the HC he told the coaches to stick around caude he wanted to talk to them stotts pretty much said F.. you im not im going to do what i want.Where is this AG ego stuff coming from stotts was a AC worked for AG."
You make it sound as if TS was heading for the showers or his car. How about considering a well-season former head coach believed a coachable moment was at hand, especially since he is well familiar with the cues of Lillard???? Just as he starts, that coachable moment is interrupted, requiring him to ask for another minute or so. He assumed that was not asking for the moon, but received a loud rebuke and denial.

The issue then would be does it help the team to have this brief teachable moment or comply with the need of the hc to start his coach huddle immediately. Myself I go with the instincts of a well seasoned NBA former hc and wait a couple of minutes for the coaches' huddle.

[Isocleas2]

Team Stotts all the way

[Daver]

This is goofy. Stotts was hired by Griffin's bosses for them to work together........ Ipso facto, it's Griffin who's ignoring the direction by flexing the muscle in his title.

Working together still has a pecking order and one has the title of HEAD coach and the other does not. Incredible to me that people can ignore the actual wrongdoing, a dude not respecting his bosses wishes while but blame the boss for speaking loudly.

Stott's is NOT your typical assistant coach in this league, and it's up to Griffin to recognize that and treat him accordingly.

Griffin had an issue with a coach coaching and made a stink about it, and you're going to sit there and be like, wow, Stotts was wrong? That's petty as all hell. It sounds stupid, because it IS stupid. This is a situation where conventional wisdom says it shouldn't be a problem, but Griffin made it a problem.

Stotts was a AC nothing more and letting stotts walk all over the HC is acceptable to you.Stotts wasnt a AG hire Maybe AG had someone else in mind doesnt matter your saying that stotts should be able to do whatever the fu.. he wants cause hes not your typical AC n AG has to just let it go in front of his team......no way if stotts didnt wanna be a AC for a rookie HC should of told horst pass.AG should treat him exavtly how he treats his other ACs not more special cause his last nsne is stotts

[crkone]

A lot of you are revealing how poorly you’d let your bosses treat you in the name of a paycheck lol

Or they are the bosses

[SirChurros]

The way I see this scenario is:

- Stotts was presumably hired under the assumption he would could creative control of the offense.

- He was kind “forced” on AG.

- AG had an issue with what Stotts was doing.

- AG decided to do a weird flex in shoot around.

To me this paints AG in poor light and tells me he has a “my way or the highway” type of mentality.

Either way, his issue should be with Horst for creating this situation. Yelling at Stotts, who is just doing what he was hired to do, is weird. It feels like Griffin’s got a bit of a small man complex. Take it behind closed doors and talk it through.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

"Wow you read that from what you have highlighted that stotts went on his own instead of staying like all the other assts did n still difnt come back evrn after AG the 1st time asked him to.
You sure have a vendetta for AG if thats what you read.Hes the HC he told the coaches to stick around caude he wanted to talk to them stotts pretty much said F.. you im not im going to do what i want.Where is this AG ego stuff coming from stotts was a AC worked for AG."
You make it sound as if TS was heading for the showers or his car. How about considering a well-season former head coach believed a coachable moment was at hand, especially since he is well familiar with the cues of Lillard???? Just as he starts, that coachable moment is interrupted, requiring him to ask for another minute or so. He assumed that was not asking for the moon, but received a loud rebuke and denial.

The issue then would be does it help the team to have this brief teachable moment or comply with the need of the hc to start his coach huddle immediately. Myself I go with the instincts of a well seasoned NBA former hc and wait a couple of minutes for the coaches' huddle.

The idea Stotts wouldnt be able to briefly pull Dame and Giannis at any time ever under any circumstance considering his role and it not be encouraged by AG is odd.

The idea when Stotts asked his bossman if he could have that moment and AG reamed him instead of something along the lines of "sure make it quick" with worst case maybe an eye roll to the other assts is mindblwing

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

A lot of you are revealing how poorly you’d let your bosses treat you in the name of a paycheck lol

Or they are the bosses

bosses do not have the right to carte blanche interfere with, disrespect, and belittle their employees who are doing the jobs that in previous conversations have also been instructed.

stotts was doing his job. stotts im sure was following general instructions from AG with every word that came out his mouth to the guys and he was doing it at the exact proper time. The problem was sorting the timing of the other demands placed on him.

**** micromanager control freak bosses often run into this problem. They will instruct employees with so many directives that often times they start falling into direct contradiction of other directives. Eventually the employee cant do their job without asking for permission of every action at every time.

the fact he got reamed publically for doing his job and not doing his job at the same time is insane and we all have worked for dicks like that. stotts said the hell with this. the story is right in the news. theres nothing even to debate here

[jimmybones]

A lot of you are revealing how poorly you’d let your bosses treat you in the name of a paycheck lol

Or they are the bosses

Yeah, I am the boss and I never yell at my staff and go out of my way to not make them feel like ****. I totally get people thinking AG could have handled that more privately than calling out a respected veteran coach in front of everyone. I also get Stotts feeling like he had some freedom to do his thing and my personal coaching style is to give people space to do what they do.

I also played high school and college sports for hard ass coaches who you just listened to and I respect hierarchy, I guess it's a little old school of me. I still think the right move by Stotts was to join the other coaches per the head bosses request and to talk to the players after that. I don't think it was some horrendous offense and I can agree with the thought that AG handled it poorly. I think they both did, in different way, and I can relate to both sides.

I can only assume there is a lot of context to this that we aren't privy to at this time and my thoughts are just a reaction to the small tidbits we've had about that incident.

[JimmyTheKid]

I hate the fact that we have to deal with so much unnecessary drama at this point. On one hand you have Stotts who's probably not ready to be an assistant coach, especially to a first time head coach. On the other hand, you have a head coach calling for a huddle of mature coaches to basically do what exactly?! If I was a coach, I wouldn't want the players seeing me get lectured (or even pumped up) in front of everyone like I was lacking in my job. This should have been done behind closed doors to avoid a situation like this. Keep the huddles to the players only. Honestly, I see more coaches resigning if it turns out AG has the habit of lecturing his staff in front of players to show his authority.

We don't have to "deal" with any drama. All we have to do is sit back and enjoy watching an absolutely stacked roster dominate basketball games filled with highlight reel dunks, blocks, euros, passes and 35 footers by two of the best to ever lace em up. Its very much a choice to care deeply about this little hiccup. I mean its title or bust anyway. If we don't win it all we can look back on a number of different issues, Terry Stotts' resignation included, and attempt to "get to the bottom" of why it didn't work out. But is this really going to have any impact on how Bucks' fans take in the actual basketball? Or is it just the latest thing to get mad online about?

[jayu70]

I'm also really curious on the logistics of the offense now. Do we still run the scheme Stotts spent all offseason & camp installing? Do we change it up last minute? Do we hire someone to come in and run a completely different offense?

Cant punty(sp) run a O someone pisted on this board yesterday that he ran a pretty good O in the past just curious

Hawks fan here:
Prunty will be good for your offense. The issue will be if AG is willing to listen.
Last season in Atlanta, most people think it was a Nate/Trae issue, but there was also a rumored coaching divide as well. Prunty would make in game suggestions to change momentum and Nate would say 'no, let them figure it out.' The biggest issue among the coaches was Jalen Johnson, Nate just wouldn't play him or if he did he pulled him quickly (fans were also frustrated with his lack of playing time). The assistants wanted JJ playing. As soon as Quin took over, JJ became a regular in the rotation. Now he may have a chance to start at PF this season.

[HKPackFan]

I'm so happy this happened now. The team stotts vs team AG for 6 months would have been so exhausting.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

A lot of you are revealing how poorly you’d let your bosses treat you in the name of a paycheck lol

Or they are the bosses

Yeah, I am the boss and I never yell at my staff and go out of my way to not make them feel like ****. I totally get people thinking AG could have handled that more privately than calling out a respected veteran coach in front of everyone. I also get Stotts feeling like he had some freedom to do his thing and my personal coaching style is to give people space to do what they do.

I also played high school and college sports for hard ass coaches who you just listened to and I respect hierarchy, I guess it's a little old school of me. I still think the right move by Stotts was to join the other coaches per the head bosses request and to talk to the players after that. I don't think it was some horrendous offense and I can agree with the thought that AG handled it poorly. I think they both did, in different way, and I can relate to both sides.

I can only assume there is a lot of context to this that we aren't privy to at this time and my thoughts are just a reaction to the small tidbits we've had about that incident.

so you get this. but still let me ask you under what circumstance would you take your top guy and not be gentle with him at all times in situations like this.

after AG first says come on over as stotts is walking away with the players its just common sense you say something like ok sure but hurry up im trying to get out of here. or you say hang on come on over then you can go hit them back up. or literally anything a good leader would do but yell at his ass

the ONLY possibility here is that stotts was completely out of line time and again with little things like this and even then you dont use your teaching moment to be an abusive tirade in front of the entire team. you pull him aside and be blunt and direct and calm and tell him you feel disrespected and undercut by whatever hes doing. this is obvious

the whole thing stinks to me

[HKPackFan]

the whole thing stinks to me

I think part of that is due to untimely pooping.

[rilamann]

If I was a rookie NBA head coach, I would have no issue deferring, at least at times, to my lead assistant who has 30 years of NBA coaching experience.

Disappointed that Stotts stepped down, but I guess in the grand scheme of things it was for the best.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not gonna condone shouting matches between coaches, but you guys gotta stop with this whole comparing your corporate office or cubicle job to NBA practices lol. It's incredibly naive.

[crkone]

Stotts should've just gone through HR and filed a complaint.

[jimmybones]

Or they are the bosses

Yeah, I am the boss and I never yell at my staff and go out of my way to not make them feel like ****. I totally get people thinking AG could have handled that more privately than calling out a respected veteran coach in front of everyone. I also get Stotts feeling like he had some freedom to do his thing and my personal coaching style is to give people space to do what they do.

I also played high school and college sports for hard ass coaches who you just listened to and I respect hierarchy, I guess it's a little old school of me. I still think the right move by Stotts was to join the other coaches per the head bosses request and to talk to the players after that. I don't think it was some horrendous offense and I can agree with the thought that AG handled it poorly. I think they both did, in different way, and I can relate to both sides.

I can only assume there is a lot of context to this that we aren't privy to at this time and my thoughts are just a reaction to the small tidbits we've had about that incident.

so you get this. but still let me ask you under what circumstance would you take your top guy and not be gentle with him at all times in situations like this.

after AG first says come on over as stotts is walking away with the players its just common sense you say something like ok sure but hurry up im trying to get out of here. or you say hang on come on over then you can go hit them back up. or literally anything a good leader would do but yell at his ass

the ONLY possibility here is that stotts was completely out of line time and again with little things like this and even then you dont use your teaching moment to be an abusive tirade in front of the entire team. you pull him aside and be blunt and direct and calm and tell him you feel disrespected and undercut by whatever hes doing. this is obvious

the whole thing stinks to me

Yeah dude, you make good points and others in this thread do as well and it's making me think about preferred leadership style versus the old school "listen to the coach/boss" that's instilled in me. This is an interesting dialogue even though I'm craving real basketball to start and to talk about that. I appreciate the different perspectives.

I guess I'm just trying to give AG some benefit of the doubt that he should ultimately be allowed to lead and his staff and the team should listen to his voice, let him do what he was hired to do. I can fully see how people dislike his reaction in this specific scenario but I am willing to see how this plays out in terms of his leadership ability and not dunk on the dude for his handling of one situation that I don't have nearly enough details of context.

I think it's okay to say you don't like his handling of that situation but still give him the opportunity to be a great leader and coach. That's obviously the best case scenario so that's what I'm choosing to root for.

[pifhluk23]

Really hoping AG doesn't end up being Kidd 2.0, Giannis really needs to not be involved in any head coaching decisions, he's a terrible GM.

[fansinceforever]

I'm not gonna condone shouting matches between coaches, but you guys gotta stop with this whole comparing your corporate office or cubicle job to NBA practices lol. It's incredibly naive.

Thanks you.