Stotts Steps Down

[Daver]

I think both coaches were at fault in this failure, and it leaves the Bucks shorthanded.

Not sure it leaves the bucks shorthanded i mean if the bucks just hired prunty to run the O then we are would be ok.Im just hoping prunty runs the O correctly with dame being dame(pg) n not the same BS O we ran last year.Im telling you horst wont ket this fly he will fix his mistake if he has to

[ShootingtheJ]

I think both coaches were at fault in this failure, and it leaves the Bucks shorthanded.

Not sure it leaves the bucks shorthanded i mean if the bucks just hired prunty to run the O then we are would be ok.Im just hoping prunty runs the O correctly with dame being dame(pg) n not the same BS O we ran last year.Im telling you horst wont ket this fly he will fix his mistake if he has to

We know that Horst, not Griffin, hired Stotts. I suspect Prunty was also not hired by Griffin. I doubt Prunty is allowed to run the offense.

However, if Griffin's team doesn't win and win big, Prunty will be running everything before seasons end.

[Daver]

I think both coaches were at fault in this failure, and it leaves the Bucks shorthanded.

Not sure it leaves the bucks shorthanded i mean if the bucks just hired prunty to run the O then we are would be ok.Im just hoping prunty runs the O correctly with dame being dame(pg) n not the same BS O we ran last year.Im telling you horst wont ket this fly he will fix his mistake if he has to

We know that Horst, not Griffin, hired Stotts. I suspect Prunty was also not hired by Griffin. I doubt Prunty is allowed to run the offense.

However, if Griffin's team doesn't win and win big, Prunty will be running everything before seasons end.

Prunty ran a pretty good O from what some poster said i think he said top 8 so and did well here in milwaukee with the O considering all they had was midds n gisnnis.So i would feel better if he had the input on the o side hopefully he feels as stotts did thst dame should be the one running the O n not giannis and ffs AG or prunty have giannis stop with the 3 pt shooting he sucks at it

[Daver]

I think both coaches were at fault in this failure, and it leaves the Bucks shorthanded.

Not sure it leaves the bucks shorthanded i mean if the bucks just hired prunty to run the O then we are would be ok.Im just hoping prunty runs the O correctly with dame being dame(pg) n not the same BS O we ran last year.Im telling you horst wont ket this fly he will fix his mistake if he has to

We know that Horst, not Griffin, hired Stotts. I suspect Prunty was also not hired by Griffin. I doubt Prunty is allowed to run the offense.

However, if Griffin's team doesn't win and win big, Prunty will be running everything before seasons end.

You actually think AG has less than 1 year dude comeon no one gets hired to be a HC n gets less than 1 full season

[emunney]

Not sure it leaves the bucks shorthanded i mean if the bucks just hired prunty to run the O then we are would be ok.Im just hoping prunty runs the O correctly with dame being dame(pg) n not the same BS O we ran last year.Im telling you horst wont ket this fly he will fix his mistake if he has to

We know that Horst, not Griffin, hired Stotts. I suspect Prunty was also not hired by Griffin. I doubt Prunty is allowed to run the offense.

However, if Griffin's team doesn't win and win big, Prunty will be running everything before seasons end.

You actually think AG has less than 1 year dude comeon no one gets hired to be a HC n gets less than 1 full season

Tark only lasted 20 games with the Spurs. It happens!

[ShootingtheJ]

We know that Horst, not Griffin, hired Stotts. I suspect Prunty was also not hired by Griffin. I doubt Prunty is allowed to run the offense.

However, if Griffin's team doesn't win and win big, Prunty will be running everything before seasons end.

You actually think AG has less than 1 year dude comeon no one gets hired to be a HC n gets less than 1 full season

Tark only lasted 20 games with the Spurs. It happens!

Yeah, and I think it happened twice in Cleveland.

[Dick Tate]

If Griffin felt undermined by Stotts then there are obviously better ways of dealing with it than screaming and getting your lead assistant to quit a week before the season, its Griffin's responsibility as head coach to manage personalities & to smooth things over when things go awry. Doc Griff must of have been sleeping during that UofPhx leadership lesson. Stotts quitting and going straight to Woj like that is a mega-f*** you, it should have never gotten to that.

I don't think our issues last year were because Budenholzer wasn't blaring music or allowing fights during practice enough, if Nick Nurse was considered too toxic of a personality to be hired than it shouldn't be a big surprise his top underling is also an a** hole but I'm afraid Griff doesn't have the same basketball mind as Nurse. I'm getting the creeping feeling we're not going to have much of any system at least on offense and that we'll try to ISO & out talent other teams with Giannis & Dame, Griff is more of a vibes than x's & o's to the point they felt the need to bring in a guy like Stotts. Feels like we're back with Jason Kidd.

Say what?! You got a link to that Woj exclusive?

[rilamann]

I've always given Prunty a lot of credit (and I did at the time) for taking a pretty good Celtics team to a game 7 with a pre-Brook Bucks team and with Drew Bledsoe absolutely **** the bed back in 2018. A Celtics team that went on to take prime Lebron's Cavs to a game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Prunty is actually an underrated NBA coach IMO. He wouldn't be my first choice necessarily if I was looking for a head coach. But he's a really solid guy to have on your staff.

I also like to bring 2018 up because it reminds me that the Celtics have lost 2 game 7's at home in the Eastern Conference Finals over the past 5 years. Celtics are like 49ers in the NFL . Constantly right on the brink, but can never get over the hump.

[MVP2110]

I've always given Prunty a lot of credit (and I did at the time) for taking a pretty good Celtics team to a game 7 with a pre-Brook Bucks team and with Drew Bledsoe absolutely **** the bed back in 2018. A Celtics team that went on to take prime Lebron's Cavs to a game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Prunty is actually an underrated NBA coach IMO. He wouldn't be my first choice necessarily if I was looking for a head coach. But he's a really solid guy to have on your staff.

I also like to bring 2018 up because it reminds me that the Celtics have lost 2 game 7's at home in the Eastern Conference Finals over the past 5 years. Celtics are like 49ers in the NFL . Constantly right on the brink, but can never get over the hump.

Yep, I was really excited when we made the Prunty hire and still am glad he's on the staff. I've also heard quite a few positive things about Mutumbo's time in the G League so I'm optimistic about him. I wasn't a fan of the AG hire itself but I do think his staff was top notch and even with the loss of Stotts his staff is still fine.

[raferfenix]

Could easily see Horst hiring Stotts with little care for what AG thought as part of the backchannel recruitment to get Dame to agree to come here.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Twas fun participating in a forum here again. I will miss it again.

It, Stotts as member of Bucks' coaching staff, was not a good fit. TS tried to make it work, but it wasn't working. The Bucks will be fine, so much top player talent; Stotts will be fine, assuming he can get out of his downtown Ml. lease, in his new Florida house. Indeed the only one hurting is me who will be out of this forum's joys, not getting some free Buck player gear(I have abnormally long arms and have welcomed the package of gear for each TS coaching stop),and a Milwaukee visit or two.
Ciao, Epicurus

I just want to say, that I'm legitimately dismayed this didn't work out.

While my opinion was always that Stotts was not a good fit for the head coaching position in the NBA, I always maintained that he was one of the best (probably top 5) assistant coaches in the history of the NBA, and I was absolutely thrilled when I heard he had re-joined the Bucks in that role.

I don't fault Stotts at all for this not working out. I believe his intentions were good, pure, and for what he believed were the best interests of the team. I'm a big believer in Adrian Griffin, but I do wish he would have handled this differently. I understand why he handled it like he did, and I think it's justifiable, but it was also a strategic misstep. Stotts was a very valuable asset to this team, and that should have been factored in when managing that asset.

As you said, Griffin could have subsequently talked to Stotts privately and clarified his expectations, specifically regarding the "incident" that is being focused on. This all could have been avoided and dealt with differently. I think Stotts would have easily explained why he thought that was the best thing to do at that time, and I also think Stotts would have acknowledged to Griffin that he understands why he should handle things differently. That could have been easily resolved.

Oh well.

I wish Stotts all the best.

[MickeyDavis]

I was anticipating an Epi(c) pizza party but alas it won't happen, just as the Charlie Bell one never materialized.

Epi, if you ever watch a Bucks game feel free to pop in here and give us your thoughts.

[Garbs_7]

EPPPIIIIII !!! We need you

Wish I could help, but I am as surprised as anyone. Hell, I was surprised that TS took the position in the 1st place, as last year we talked about his future and the mention of being an assistant again was quickly rejected. If TS coaches again, selfishly I wish it to be in Italy or Spain.

Just going back through and saw this. Thanks for the reply, sadly Stotts tenure here ended sooner than any of us would have like, hopefully still see you around here from time to time.

[Jez2983]

Twas fun participating in a forum here again. I will miss it again.

It, Stotts as member of Bucks' coaching staff, was not a good fit. TS tried to make it work, but it wasn't working. The Bucks will be fine, so much top player talent; Stotts will be fine, assuming he can get out of his downtown Ml. lease, in his new Florida house. Indeed the only one hurting is me who will be out of this forum's joys, not getting some free Buck player gear(I have abnormally long arms and have welcomed the package of gear for each TS coaching stop),and a Milwaukee visit or two.
Ciao, Epicurus

I'm personally very disappointed in this, not only because I was looking forward to what Stotts could do with this team, and was awaiting your insights into things, Epi.

Go well, sir, and as others have said, we'd love to see you in here at any point.

[HKPackFan]

Maybe Stotts was feeling his coaching juices fire up after a 2 year absence and Horst sold him and got him pretty enticed with a successful return to MKE, being lead assistant, being on a Contender and a chance at an elusive ring, and being reunited with his favorite player of all time in Dame.

Then after a fun few weeks of just coaching and practices, reality started to hit during preseason games that he's not the guy calling shots and he started having second thoughts. He feels weird sitting in his chair during a game while someone else is walking up and down the court sidelines. He's been the lead man for a decade and suddenly going back to the assistant role feels like major step backwards. He's been mulling over because he loves coaching Dame and the guys but he's not sure if he really wants to go through the grind and is coming to terms that he's not the guy and it doesn't feel right...And then the incident happens and it helps make the decision for him. It's not a fit and he doesn't want to be an assistant coach and it's better he comes to that realization before the season even starts.

[DutchManDanFan]

It's a bad thing. Hopefully not a disaster.
AG should know it's a delicate situation to be a rookie HC with an experienced assistant. Treat him as a mentor, with all the respect you can give. And if you make a mistake (yelling at him) apologize and talk about it.
Not always easy to do, but you'll benefit in the long run.

I don't think AG was realising any of this. He was surprised Stotts quit. Probably didn't see any signs.
I think he is very eager to show he can do this. But eagerness is not always a good thing. If you are too eager you might miss some important details.
Another thing is how to deal with criticism. I wonder how he does that.
He has to learn these things and he needs to learn fast. The first signs are not good. Losing Stotts is not a detail.

[drew881]

44 pages in. Has anyone mentioned that his dissertation was on the topic of ""How Active NBA Assistant Coaches Experience Stress, Stressors, Coping Strategies, and Interventions in a Competitive Sports Environment."[

[crkone]

44 pages in. Has anyone mentioned that his dissertation was on the topic of ""How Active NBA Assistant Coaches Experience Stress, Stressors, Coping Strategies, and Interventions in a Competitive Sports Environment."[

Seems like Stotts should've read it.

[Dick Tate]

I’d doubt he’d find getting shouted at across the court to be that stressful. On the other hand, having a superstar who wasn’t willing to take his hands off the ball may be a bit more than he bargained for…??? Nah…

[Dick Tate]

Maybe Stotts was feeling his coaching juices fire up after a 2 year absence and Horst sold him and got him pretty enticed with a successful return to MKE, being lead assistant, being on a Contender and a chance at an elusive ring, and being reunited with his favorite player of all time in Dame.

Then after a fun few weeks of just coaching and practices, reality started to hit during preseason games that he's not the guy calling shots and he started having second thoughts. He feels weird sitting in his chair during a game while someone else is walking up and down the court sidelines. He's been the lead man for a decade and suddenly going back to the assistant role feels like major step backwards. He's been mulling over because he loves coaching Dame and the guys but he's not sure if he really wants to go through the grind and is coming to terms that he's not the guy and it doesn't feel right...And then the incident happens and it helps make the decision for him. It's not a fit and he doesn't want to be an assistant coach and it's better he comes to that realization before the season even starts.

The Epi post quoted by Garbs above showed Stott’s would’ve had mixed feelings and likely first inclination to reject the position.