Preseason Game 5: Memphis at Milwaukee - 10/20/23 - 7:00 - BSWI - Khris a Go

[nagawicka]

Giannis is too good to take the ball completely out of his hands but everybody expected to see him a lot as a roller with Lillard in the pnr and I think I saw only a one such case. Even himself and Lillard were talking about it

You mean Giannis is not good enough to leave the ball in his hands completely, or to be in control of the offense, because it's not his role and it only comes at the expense of winning ball.

[ShootingtheJ]

That 4th quarter was really fun. It was nice not having a bench lineup in with Bolden or Rolo or even Wiggington ruining it. Think all of those guys can play a role this season.

They could play a role, but will Griffin let them? None of them were in the rotation for this game even with Bobby sitting. Griffin clearly favors vets. He's like his mentor, Thibodaux.

[Siefer]

We know Giannis has it in him to play a less ball dominant game. Midds ran things during the title run, and it was the only way our halfcourt offense looked functional. Giannis can be the best p&r player in the game if he wants to be, and a big part of that is he can be anything in those actions. Lowe noted he's a 60th percentile iso guy. That's pretty good, and it's fine to go to it sometimes. It's just not close to our best first option.

[ShootingtheJ]

We know Giannis has it in him to play a less ball dominant game. Midds ran things during the title run, and it was the only way our halfcourt offense looked functional. Giannis can be the best p&r player in the game if he wants to be, and a big part of that is he can be anything in those actions. Lowe noted he's a 60th percentile iso guy. That's pretty good, and it's fine to go to it sometimes. It's just not close to our best first option.

His iso numbers will go through the roof next to Dames spacing.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't think it's crazy that a veteran team who is the title favorite will initially have vets in the main rotation while working in the young guys when rest/injuries inevitably happen.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We know Giannis has it in him to play a less ball dominant game. Midds ran things during the title run, and it was the only way our halfcourt offense looked functional. Giannis can be the best p&r player in the game if he wants to be, and a big part of that is he can be anything in those actions. Lowe noted he's a 60th percentile iso guy. That's pretty good, and it's fine to go to it sometimes. It's just not close to our best first option.

His iso numbers will go through the roof next to Dames spacing.

nah... we'll be exactly the same. predictable and hard to watch. dame in a catch and shoot role isnt particularly better than allen or aj green in that spot. maybe his ability to attack closeouts would be better but it would be a minor gain.

giannis is a very mediocre distributor anyway and in the playoffs he typically becomes even worse as his stubbornness and will produces sloppy selfish play at the point of attack.

even middleton is best suited to have the ball when it matters. taking the ball out of his and dames hands will kill the offense when it matters.

so this spread the floor with dame nonsense needs to go away. bottom line is dame will lose 90% of his effectiveness if we take the ball out of his hands...

but..... if we did the same to giannis hed not only flourish but be able to focus on all the other things that made him great as a swiss army knife early in his career.... steals, blocks, getting in lanes, energy on defense, etc etc etc basically everything else.

giannis has become worse at literally every aspect the all around game he brought over the years at the expense of his usage rising in the role you support.

imo giannis needs to keep his usage down around 30-32 or he will singlehandly tank every aspect that can be great about this team. lillard can produce a top 5 offense all on his own with usage numbers around 30. if he drops much below that we can thank our failures on giannis and his puppet coach

[Daver]

We know Giannis has it in him to play a less ball dominant game. Midds ran things during the title run, and it was the only way our halfcourt offense looked functional. Giannis can be the best p&r player in the game if he wants to be, and a big part of that is he can be anything in those actions. Lowe noted he's a 60th percentile iso guy. That's pretty good, and it's fine to go to it sometimes. It's just not close to our best first option.

His iso numbers will go through the roof next to Dames spacing.

nah... we'll be exactly the same. predictable and hard to watch. dame in a catch and shoot role isnt particularly better than allen or aj green in that spot. maybe his ability to attack closeouts would be better but it would be a minor gain.

giannis is a very mediocre distributor anyway and in the playoffs he typically becomes even worse as his stubbornness and will produces sloppy selfish play at the point of attack.

even middleton is best suited to have the ball when it matters. taking the ball out of his and dames hands will kill the offense when it matters.

so this spread the floor with dame nonsense needs to go away. bottom line is dame will lose 90% of his effectiveness if we take the ball out of his hands...

but..... if we did the same to giannis hed not only flourish but be able to focus on all the other things that made him great as a swiss army knife early in his career.... steals, blocks, getting in lanes, energy on defense, etc etc etc basically everything else.

giannis has become worse at literally every aspect the all around game he brought over the years at the expense of his usage rising in the role you support.

imo giannis needs to keep his usage down around 30-32 or he will singlehandly tank every aspect that can be great about this team. lillard can produce a top 5 offense all on his own with usage numbers around 30. if he drops much below that we can thank our failures on giannis and his puppet coach

Very very well said hoping prunty who ran a pretty good O himself can see that.Fans can see that horst can see that AG/prunty / giannis i hope cant be all this collectively stupid to not see this.Cant see horst making this trade just to let giannis do his typical thing n dame not be dane.I think horst with this investment will keep a eye on this.
Giannis said over n over again i want dame to be dame hopefully hes not full of sh..

[ShootingtheJ]

We know Giannis has it in him to play a less ball dominant game. Midds ran things during the title run, and it was the only way our halfcourt offense looked functional. Giannis can be the best p&r player in the game if he wants to be, and a big part of that is he can be anything in those actions. Lowe noted he's a 60th percentile iso guy. That's pretty good, and it's fine to go to it sometimes. It's just not close to our best first option.

His iso numbers will go through the roof next to Dames spacing.

nah... we'll be exactly the same. predictable and hard to watch. dame in a catch and shoot role isnt particularly better than allen or aj green in that spot.

LOL, have you watched a minute of Dame as a Buck? He's the highest gravity guard in Bucks history. Beasley is being left unguarded at the 3 point line because teams are selling out on Giannis and Dame.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think it's crazy that a veteran team who is the title favorite will initially have vets in the main rotation while working in the young guys when rest/injuries inevitably happen.

When certain veterans have proven over the course of their careers that they're not playoff caliber, it's negligence not to prepare youngsters that could address the teams biggest needs.

Denver prepared Christain Braun from day 1, instead of going with more experienced players on their roster. It worked.

[MVP2110]

I don't think it's crazy that a veteran team who is the title favorite will initially have vets in the main rotation while working in the young guys when rest/injuries inevitably happen.

I agree with this for the most part. As long as most of the young guys get a real chance at some point and if they prove themselves they don't get benched. I wouldn't expect them to be gifted an immediate role, just hope if they show they can handle it they don't get sent back to the bench

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

His iso numbers will go through the roof next to Dames spacing.

nah... we'll be exactly the same. predictable and hard to watch. dame in a catch and shoot role isnt particularly better than allen or aj green in that spot.

LOL, have you watched a minute of Dame as a Buck? He's the highest gravity guard in Bucks history. Beasley is being left unguarded at the 3 point line because teams are selling out on Giannis and Dame.

got it so dame spreads the floor keeping somebody out there parked next to him. great plan. you do realize youre suggesting we use dames gravity as a decoy so giannis can solve his inadequacies in the role dame would be better suited in dont you?

stuff like knowing when to shoot the 3 and actually making them...attacking defenders and getting to the line and actually making them...being unselfish while playing with his head up.....finding the open man and getting people involved? stuff that you do when you have the ball in your hands is all dames specialty. giannis kinda sucks at it all. you want to use dame to make giannis not suck so much?

i do acknowledge giannis has a solid ppp in that role but the team stagnates. in the postseason it becomes toxic.

so not only want dame in that role before giannis... i want khris there to.

giannis needs to get back to being an mvp on both sides and stat stuffing everything but league leading usage. honestly its a complete no brainer. your being a little dense about this imo. imagine if wed taken this apparoach when we had oscar next to kareem. granted kareem didnt like to run point but if he had youd have used oscar as the decoy? not the primary ballhandler?

[ShootingtheJ]

nah... we'll be exactly the same. predictable and hard to watch. dame in a catch and shoot role isnt particularly better than allen or aj green in that spot.

LOL, have you watched a minute of Dame as a Buck? He's the highest gravity guard in Bucks history. Beasley is being left unguarded at the 3 point line because teams are selling out on Giannis and Dame.

got it so dame spreads the floor keeping somebody out there parked next to him. great plan. you do realize youre suggesting we use dames gravity as a decoy so giannis can solve his inadequacies in the role dame would be better suited in dont you?

stuff like knowing when to shoot the 3 and actually making them...attacking defenders and getting to the line and actually making them...being unselfish while playing with his head up.....finding the open man and getting people involved? stuff that you do when you have the ball in your hands is all dames specialty. giannis kinda sucks at it all. you want to use dame to make giannis not suck so much?

i do acknowledge giannis has a solid ppp in that role but the team stagnates. in the postseason it becomes toxic.

so not only want dame in that role before giannis... i want khris there to.

giannis needs to get back to being an mvp on both sides and stat stuffing everything but league leading usage. honestly its a complete no brainer. your being a little dense about this imo. imagine if wed taken this apparoach when we had oscar next to kareem. granted kareem didnt like to run point but if he had youd have used oscar as the decoy? not the primary ballhandler?

I simply understand that the best offenses are the ones that don't do the same thing every time down the floor. Letting Giannis be versatile makes matchups impossible.

I'm not asking Dame to never handle the ball, but it would be great for him to not have to do it every single possession.