Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

[Darren]

A confident Josh Green with well definded role can absolutely be an elite role player. Happy he's proving me right tonight. We've seen this from him before anyway.

Green plays well without Luka as normal. The problem is things doesn't look the same. Pace matters. Luka plays slow tempo with ball in hand a lot. Look out, Grant William has not been impressive on either defense or shooting so far I am skeptical on 12m per and starting role for Grant. The league is getting big. Small ball might not work all that well. The regress of Maxi is also noticeable. Mediocre coaching continues. The Mavs is not cohesive as a unit.

[dirkules_41]

2 Mavs legends are back!!!

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Love it if its for the Legends, would hate it for the Mavs

[BliscoSantos]

Green played good,he made his threes but he also missed some easy layups...he needs to control his speed,he's too fast and loses balance...he needs to find the right balance so that he's gonna make those easy baskets

[Archx]

A confident Josh Green with well definded role can absolutely be an elite role player. Happy he's proving me right tonight. We've seen this from him before anyway.

Green plays well without Luka as normal. The problem is things doesn't look the same. Pace matters. Luka plays slow tempo with ball in hand a lot. Look out, Grant William has not been impressive on either defense or shooting so far I am skeptical on 12m per and starting role for Grant. The league is getting big. Small ball might not work all that well. The regress of Maxi is also noticeable. Mediocre coaching continues. The Mavs is not cohesive as a unit.

Grant is the strongest player on the team. They'll 100% need his presence in the post guarding big wings, etc... Maxi is also looking much better now that he's healthy, he's giving effort. He's another big athletic wing that can be used to support Grant.

Luka plays slow tempo because he's like Lebron, he is the entire offensive system. But he can also play fast like he has in some early preseason games. Fast tempo ball looks good on the eyes but against top teams it won't always work.

[Mavrelous]

Wembys highlights against the Ws are scary

[41Dirk41]

A confident Josh Green with well definded role can absolutely be an elite role player. Happy he's proving me right tonight. We've seen this from him before anyway.

Green plays well without Luka as normal. The problem is things doesn't look the same. Pace matters. Luka plays slow tempo with ball in hand a lot. Look out, Grant William has not been impressive on either defense or shooting so far I am skeptical on 12m per and starting role for Grant. The league is getting big. Small ball might not work all that well. The regress of Maxi is also noticeable. Mediocre coaching continues. The Mavs is not cohesive as a unit.

Grant is the strongest player on the team. They'll 100% need his presence in the post guarding big wings, etc... Maxi is also looking much better now that he's healthy, he's giving effort. He's another big athletic wing that can be used to support Grant.

Luka plays slow tempo because he's like Lebron, he is the entire offensive system. But he can also play fast like he has in some early preseason games. Fast tempo ball looks good on the eyes but against top teams it won't always work.

Agree.

Grant is the only big body wing we have to put on player like LeBron/Kawhi/ecc ecc

He is perfect with Luka but Josh looks like better without Luka so we have a problem...

[BeiBeau]

Lively looked like not the 30th best starting center in the league last night which is great.

I’m excited to see what he looks like mid season.

[tleikheen]

The assists didnt stop when Kyrie sat down ,Exum with 5 of his own as both pushed the pace and forced the action ,It played to the strength of the athletes of the Mavs .This needs to be Luka's observations as well ,Mavs have 3 legit ball handlers on this team.

[Teffer10]

The assists didnt stop when Kyrie sat down ,Exum with 5 of his own as both pushed the pace and forced the action ,It played to the strength of the athletes of the Mavs .This needs to be Luka's observations as well ,Mavs have 3 legit ball handlers on this team.

Yeah, Exum looks like a lock to be 3rd ballhandler in the rotation.
That leaves Curry, Hardaway and Hardy all fighting for a spot in the rotation and we know who wins that battle.

I still don't see significant enough changes to our roster compared to the closing of last season to justify any reason for fans to be optimistic about this season.

I mean, does....

Luka/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Curry/Jones
Green/THJ/Prosper
Williams/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Powell/Holmes
2-Way - Lawson/Brown/Dennis

...really give anyone hope for optimism?

Where have we vastly improved?

[Teffer10]

Lively looked like not the 30th best starting center in the league last night which is great.

I’m excited to see what he looks like mid season.

Yeah, Lively looked good, but against the inexperienced Detroit centers.
Still love the pick because we'll need some type of resistance to Wemby for many years and Lively might eventually become the best in the league for that with his length, size, WS and athleticism.

My concern is how are we going to handle the centers of today because Lively still has a long way to go to be a legit starting caliber center and we have absolutely no other options than him.

[BeiBeau]

The assists didnt stop when Kyrie sat down ,Exum with 5 of his own as both pushed the pace and forced the action ,It played to the strength of the athletes of the Mavs .This needs to be Luka's observations as well ,Mavs have 3 legit ball handlers on this team.

Yeah, Exum looks like a lock to be 3rd ballhandler in the rotation.
That leaves Curry, Hardaway and Hardy all fighting for a spot in the rotation and we know who wins that battle.

I still don't see significant enough changes to our roster compared to the closing of last season to justify any reason for fans to be optimistic about this season.

I mean, does....

Luka/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Curry/Jones
Green/THJ/Prosper
Williams/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Powell/Holmes
2-Way - Lawson/Brown/Dennis

...really give anyone hope for optimism?

Where have we vastly improved?

1.Dallas played Pinson, Wright, Bertans, and Nilikina for a combine 28 minutes per game last season. There is absolutely no reason that those 4 players should be combining to play full time starter minutes. So the fact that they are getting replaced with DJJ, Seth, and Exum is a big upgrade. Dallas had horrendous depth last season.

2. Grant over Reggie is gonna be pretty big. 1. The size Grant gives is huge. He spent a ton of time in Boston guarding Giannis and Embiid. 2. Grant is a defensive leader. 3. Grant is flat out just a better defender.

3. There is going to be growing pains with Lively. But come mid season he will be a major improvement over what Powell was last season. Right now he is on par with where Duren, Kessler, and Walker were last season.

[Archx]

Getting close. Will be interesting to see how much they value him at. Green at 22yo had basically identical, or in some areas, better numbers than Brunson at the same age. Brunson was viewed as their backup PG while Green projects as a starting 3&D guy, who is also capable of doing more.

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[Maverick41]

I'd be surprised if Green settled for anything below 14 mil per. MLE looks like about 13+ mil next season so if it's not more, he probably bets on himself. Especially with many of the guys in his class getting some big extensions already.

[Mavrelous]

Avdija got 55/4, Green will command more

[daoneandonly]

If Green gets a bigger # than Deni, Nico is clueless.

[Michaellam1987]

you can just hope we extend Green to similar contract to Grant William, but better do it now than later

[41Dirk41]

Anything in the range 13/14M is good... More than that is a big risk, but waiting until the end of the season is an even bigger risk.

[dirkules_41]

Getting close. Will be interesting to see how much they value him at. Green at 22yo had basically identical, or in some areas, better numbers than Brunson at the same age. Brunson was viewed as their backup PG while Green projects as a starting 3&D guy, who is also capable of doing more.

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Yeah they better get something done and not get caught out again like in the Brunson fiasko.
Also not sure where the Green and Mavs draft haters are now but out of that list of players I'd have Green over the rest.

[Archx]

Yeah they better get something done and not get caught out again like in the Brunson fiasko.
Also not sure where the Green and Mavs draft haters are now but out of that list of players I'd have Green over the rest.

Luckily he's a RFA so Mavs can still match whatever offer later on. But if Green has a breakout season like Brunson had then his value will skyrocket. Cuban dropped the ball big time with Brunson, instead of having him for 55/4 he got offered twice as much from a different team. Green is better than Avdija in my opinion, so he should get a slightly better offer than him probably.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah they better get something done and not get caught out again like in the Brunson fiasko.
Also not sure where the Green and Mavs draft haters are now but out of that list of players I'd have Green over the rest.

Luckily he's a RFA so Mavs can still match whatever offer later on. But if Green has a breakout season like Brunson had then his value will skyrocket. Cuban dropped the ball big time with Brunson, instead of having him for 55/4 he got offered twice as much from a different team. Green is better than Avdija in my opinion, so he should get a slightly better offer than him probably.

Avdija has better size, and less erratic, but yeah, Green foot speed and more reliable shot makes him better, 60/4 should be a fair deal for both sides...