Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[Ball4life32]

I like Deaaron Fox more than Young.
Young doesnt play winning basketball

Yeah Fox making the playoffs for the first time in 6 years clearly plays more winning basketball than Trae who’s led the hawks to the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years including the ECF.

Last yr

Trae +3.3 bpm, +3.9 Raptor, +3.3 epm (worst yr since his rookie yr)

Fox +2.5 bpm, +2.5 Raptor +2.8 epm

Trae is as good on offense as he is bad on defense.

Yeah this is based on absolutely nothing. Like people don’t realize the metrics have Trae an extremely positive player with defense included.

[Pelly24]

Put trae on a team where there's a legit All-NBA guy and you'll see his teams do very well. He's a top 20 guy, and I think no worse than DeAaron Fox and probably a few others ranked above him consistently

You think Fox a top 20 guy?? If Fox top 20 Trae is top 10

I honestly would prefer to have fox over Trae. Trae is inefficient and tends to chuck the ball. And he is pretty small.

I've just seen trae takeover games against elite players too often to feel this way. Trae is just so elite as a playmaker and his speed is insane, np stopping him from getting where he wants.

[tsherkin]

Ja Morant has insane tools, if he can get his head on straight and try to improve his game and make basketball his top priority.

He might have a chance to do something as the #1 guy on his franchise but he's got the wrong priorities and he's just a year younger than Trae, who at least seems to prioritize basketball, not some street badass nonsense.

Ja certainly has excellent physical tools. Haven't seen huge growth in his actual scoring skill set over these first few seasons, which holds him back, but if he can stay healthy and keep developing his shot, then we might see something pretty interesting from him, no doubt. He generates an absolute ton of rim pressure, and it would be nice to see how he looks on a team with quality spacing. Memphis is fast, but they're pretty garbage from 3 and that very clearly impacts him.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Trae is as good on offense as he is bad on defense.

Yeah this is based on absolutely nothing. Like people don’t realize the metrics have Trae an extremely positive player with defense included.

https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/04/can-the-atlanta-hawks-win-with-trae-young/

[hyper316]

Who is the best roll man for alley oop dunks in the league? I want to see that pairing with Trae

[tsherkin]

Who is the best roll man for alley oop dunks in the league? I want to see that pairing with Trae

That plus some spacing from shooters would be very interesting to see. A little less shooting from Trae and a bunch more passing would be a significant upgrade for the nature of Atlanta's offense.

[kg01]

Who is the best roll man for alley oop dunks in the league? I want to see that pairing with Trae

Whoever is paired with Trae. No but seriously, I think Collins and capela have been top 5 the last couple years.

[kg01]

Who is the best roll man for alley oop dunks in the league? I want to see that pairing with Trae

That plus some spacing from shooters would be very interesting to see. A little less shooting from Trae and a bunch more passing would be a significant upgrade for the nature of Atlanta's offense.

This is Snyder's plan. And the guy most here call a selfish, teammate killer is 100% on board with it.

[tsherkin]

This is Snyder's plan. And the guy most here call a selfish, teammate killer is 100% on board with it.

Indeed.

"Selfish" doesn't make sense to me. Like, who else is going to shoot for them? They need Murray to shoot less because he sucks, so who else is there besides that after Trae? That's a roster issue, for sure, not a player issue. It's kind of like Siakam in Toronto. He shouldn't be shooting that much either, but who else was gonna do it?

We'll see how things go. It isn't super shocking that the tiny guy with a tiny wingspan has trouble managing high-volume scoring against better and more physical defenses. That's sort of a given.

[kg01]

This is Snyder's plan. And the guy most here call a selfish, teammate killer is 100% on board with it.

Indeed.

"Selfish" doesn't make sense to me. Like, who else is going to shoot for them? They need Murray to shoot less because he sucks, so who else is there besides that after Trae? That's a roster issue, for sure, not a player issue. It's kind of like Siakam in Toronto. He shouldn't be shooting that much either, but who else was gonna do it?

We'll see how things go. It isn't super shocking that the tiny guy with a tiny wingspan has trouble managing high-volume scoring against better and more physical defenses. That's sort of a given.

See that's the thing in the playoffs. People cite his shooting percentages are evidence of his decline. But then also cite the fact that, due to the roster, he kinda has to drive offense despite added defensive attention.

Should he be better? Sure but he's also 5'12" out there dragging around 1+ defenders full time.

And, if you acknowledge the roster is deficient, how then do you justify suggesting when the Hawks won playoff games it was essentially in spite of him?

[leo7]

Judging by preseason, Trae looks lost without the ball in his hands, and just chucks up 3's like Curry gifted him some of his shooting abilities when they were training together during the summer.

I hope Murray can hit a ton of catch and shoot 3's because this is going to be long season for Trae and the Hawks.

Too bad that Siakam trade didn't go through...

[Gusto1903]

Who is the best roll man for alley oop dunks in the league? I want to see that pairing with Trae

Capela was pretty capable with Harden back in his Rockets days. Why not with Trae?

[Gusto1903]

This is Snyder's plan. And the guy most here call a selfish, teammate killer is 100% on board with it.

Indeed.

"Selfish" doesn't make sense to me. Like, who else is going to shoot for them? They need Murray to shoot less because he sucks, so who else is there besides that after Trae? That's a roster issue, for sure, not a player issue. It's kind of like Siakam in Toronto. He shouldn't be shooting that much either, but who else was gonna do it?

We'll see how things go. It isn't super shocking that the tiny guy with a tiny wingspan has trouble managing high-volume scoring against better and more physical defenses. That's sort of a given.

See that's the thing in the playoffs. People cite his shooting percentages are evidence of his decline. But then also cite the fact that, due to the roster, he kinda has to drive offense despite added defensive attention.

Should he be better? Sure but he's also 5'12" out there dragging around 1+ defenders full time.

And, if you acknowledge the roster is deficient, how then do you justify suggesting when the Hawks won playoff games it was essentially in spite of him?

The Hawks had some nice shooters around Trae with Gallo and Bogi. What happened?

[kg01]

Indeed.

"Selfish" doesn't make sense to me. Like, who else is going to shoot for them? They need Murray to shoot less because he sucks, so who else is there besides that after Trae? That's a roster issue, for sure, not a player issue. It's kind of like Siakam in Toronto. He shouldn't be shooting that much either, but who else was gonna do it?

We'll see how things go. It isn't super shocking that the tiny guy with a tiny wingspan has trouble managing high-volume scoring against better and more physical defenses. That's sort of a given.

See that's the thing in the playoffs. People cite his shooting percentages are evidence of his decline. But then also cite the fact that, due to the roster, he kinda has to drive offense despite added defensive attention.

Should he be better? Sure but he's also 5'12" out there dragging around 1+ defenders full time.

And, if you acknowledge the roster is deficient, how then do you justify suggesting when the Hawks won playoff games it was essentially in spite of him?

The Hawks had some nice shooters around Trae with Gallo and Bogi. What happened?

Nate McMillan happened. He deemphasized using the 3ball as a weapon, basically.

And, on your Capela question, I'm pretty sure Capela has remained a top 3 lob target every year with Trae.

[jayu70]

See that's the thing in the playoffs. People cite his shooting percentages are evidence of his decline. But then also cite the fact that, due to the roster, he kinda has to drive offense despite added defensive attention.

Should he be better? Sure but he's also 5'12" out there dragging around 1+ defenders full time.

And, if you acknowledge the roster is deficient, how then do you justify suggesting when the Hawks won playoff games it was essentially in spite of him?

The Hawks had some nice shooters around Trae with Gallo and Bogi. What happened?

Nate McMillan happened. He deemphasized using the 3ball as a weapon, basically.

And, on your Capela question, I'm pretty sure Capela has remained a top 3 lob target every year with Trae.

As kg said 1. Nate happened 2. Gallo got traded 3. Bogi keeps getting injured 4. Collins lost his 3pt shot last season until Quin came on board 5. Trae struggled with his 3 under Nate, got better under Quin.

The combo of Trae/Capela, Trae/Collins and Trae/Onyeka are top alley-oopers.

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[Ball4life32]

Judging by preseason, Trae looks lost without the ball in his hands, and just chucks up 3's like Curry gifted him some of his shooting abilities when they were training together during the summer.

I hope Murray can hit a ton of catch and shoot 3's because this is going to be long season for Trae and the Hawks.

Too bad that Siakam trade didn't go through...

Huh? Trae looked good off ball especially playing with Jalen Johnson. Small sample though.

[leo7]

Judging by preseason, Trae looks lost without the ball in his hands, and just chucks up 3's like Curry gifted him some of his shooting abilities when they were training together during the summer.

I hope Murray can hit a ton of catch and shoot 3's because this is going to be long season for Trae and the Hawks.

Too bad that Siakam trade didn't go through...

Huh? Trae looked good off ball especially playing with Jalen Johnson. Small sample though.

He looked ok but I just don't like the way he is playing off-ball. Most of the time, he's looking to drive and throw up a difficult shot in the paint.

I was hoping he learned how to shoot off screens from Curry over the Summer, and play a more traditional sg role when he doesn't have the ball, but I don't think that's in his game.

[Rainwater]

Dude may have a high TS% but he really is an overrated shooter. He is lucky he can get to the free throw line.

[wco81]

Trae leads a brick fest in a loss to Charlotte, 4-19, 1-9 but 14-15 for 23 points, 9 assists, 5 turnovers.

[Rainwater]

Trae leads a brick fest in a loss to Charlotte, 4-19, 1-9 but 14-15 for 23 points, 9 assists, 5 turnovers.

This is a typical Trae game, I don’t know if you can win with a player with that stat line. He really shouldn’t be taking that many shots.