2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[spree2kawhi]

Brunson
Grimes
OG
Grant
Embiid

I think that’s what I really, really want to see here even though I don’t like Embiid one bit

[spree2kawhi]

Brunson
Grimes
OG
Grant
KAT

despite everything there is to be criticized about Towns, this would be a serious title contender too.

So you see, we’re only three blockbuster trade away! In comparison, keeping RJ and Randle won’t cut it: Brunson, Grimes, RJ, Randle, KAT - that’s just not fierce enough.

[KnixinSix]

Not necessarily. Randle could lessen the pressure on Embiid as he is a rugged forward that will make Embiids life easier. Also vice versa. Neither one is bound to scoring one way and both have mid range games while Randle has a legit 3 game too.

Once again, you ignore a whole part of the court. Feel like you’ve already invalidated your argument based on that, since your argument on offense is bad too.

What is this legit 3 point game you speak of? If Randle is legit, does that mean Tobias Harris is a god? Why would I want to give Embiid a legit 3 point shooter when I can give him a god three point shooter as a front court partner? Maybe a Demi-god 37% shooter instead?

Finally, like I said, this is not about giving both players freedom. Only a select few players in this league deserve to get freedom. When Randle is on this team, we lack talent, so he gets a bit of freedom.

But if Embiid comes, Randle should not be getting any more freedom. You think he should be taking mid range shots when both Embiid and Brunson on this team? Hell no…both those guys are way more effective at it. If we have a team with Embiid and Brunson and Randle is still taking a regular diet of mid ranged jumpers, then someone failed. Almost any other shot from Embiid and Brunson at that point is way more efficient.

Nope, if Embiid comes, I’m not telling Embiid, great, you can also spread the floor for Randle too. I’ll tell him, you do what you want, and I’ll get you a front court partner that does all the little stuff for you. You didn’t come to the Knicks to spread the floor for Randle; you came to the Knicks to be the first option. And when you get tired on offense, give it to Brunson. Everyone else, do your jobs. Don’t do some diva shyt. I’d tell Randle, to play your Chris Bosh role or get off this team.

I think I’d make sure to trade him. Unfortunately, the reality is that the position barely features ten other starting caliber players around the league. Most starting PFs aren’t even starter material. You don’t believe it until you see the list. Finding a Swiss Army knife three point shooter at that position is almost impossible these days. I’d love to have Jerami Grant for that reason even though Randle is, after all, the better player.

What’s more impossible, however, is imagining a world in which Randle doesn’t chuck our fumble the ball as a third option.

Great perspective on Randle. And in a more deferential role to Embiid/Brunson where he picks his spots better, he would be a top notch third option. We love to crap on him but 25/10 PFs that can hit the 3 don't grow on trees. Also with better floor spacing around him he will very likely be much more efficient. I could trade either him on RJ for Embiid without blinking but I probably slightly lean keeping Randle unless we land a capable substitute in another trade.

[KnixinSix]

Brunson
Grimes
OG
Grant
Embiid

I think that’s what I really, really want to see here even though I don’t like Embiid one bit

OG is a tailor made Thibodeaux chess peice. Thibs would have a field day with him and Hart from a defensive match up standpoint.

In this case Id prefer to keep Randle as he is a better overall player to Grant and would likely end up being more deferential to Embiid and Brunson. He also has that rugged playstyle, that 'Bulldozer finesse' that will actually help Embiid get beat up a bit less by him softening up the D.

Embiid/ I-Hart/ Sims
Randle/Roby
OG/Hart
Grimes/DD/Hart
Brunson /DD/ McBride

Main pieces (along with others) traded out: Mitchell, Quickley, RJ , 5-6FRPs

Thats a championship type team in Thibs system especially if Grimes and/or DD can become a consistent 3 pt shooter.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Brunson
Grimes
OG
Grant
Embiid

I think that’s what I really, really want to see here even though I don’t like Embiid one bit

OG is a tailor made Thibodeaux chess peice. Thibs would have a field day with him and Hart from a defensive match up standpoint.

In this case Id prefer to keep Randle as he is a better overall player to Grant and would likely end up being more deferential to Embiid and Brunson. He also has that rugged playstyle, that 'Bulldozer finesse' that will actually help Embiid get beat up a bit less by him softening up the D.

Embiid/ I-Hart/ Sims
Randle/Roby
OG/Hart
Grimes/DD/Hart
Brunson /DD/ McBride

Main pieces (along with others) traded out: Mitchell, Quickley, RJ , 5-6FRPs

Thats a championship type team in Thibs system especially if Grimes and/or DD can become a consistent 3 pt shooter.

Embiid isn't coming to the Knicks...unless is NBA2K24.

[KnixinSix]

Brunson
Grimes
OG
Grant
Embiid

I think that’s what I really, really want to see here even though I don’t like Embiid one bit

OG is a tailor made Thibodeaux chess peice. Thibs would have a field day with him and Hart from a defensive match up standpoint.

In this case Id prefer to keep Randle as he is a better overall player to Grant and would likely end up being more deferential to Embiid and Brunson. He also has that rugged playstyle, that 'Bulldozer finesse' that will actually help Embiid get beat up a bit less by him softening up the D.

Embiid/ I-Hart/ Sims
Randle/Roby
OG/Hart
Grimes/DD/Hart
Brunson /DD/ McBride

Main pieces (along with others) traded out: Mitchell, Quickley, RJ , 5-6FRPs

Thats a championship type team in Thibs system especially if Grimes and/or DD can become a consistent 3 pt shooter.

Embiid isn't coming to the Knicks...unless is NBA2K24.

Maybe but
Morey strikes me as a GM who probably takes the best deal for him. Regardless of team.

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LOOK TO AFRICA

[Capn'O]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

[KnixinSix]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

Your trade does not show up through the link

[Chanel Bomber]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

My fear with Towns is that Thibs may be tempted to play him at the 4 due to the lack of rim protection, which is a complete waste of Towns's talent and nullifies his impact on the game, as we saw last year with Gobert.

Play him at the 5 and we have one of the best PNR duos in the NBA. The problem then is the lack of defense, so more moves would be needed to bring in defenders at the forward spots.

It's worth considering, but maybe the juice isn't worth the squeeze there.

[KnixinSix]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

My fear with Towns is that Thibs may be tempted to play him at the 4 due to the lack of rim protection, which is a complete waste of Towns's talent and nullifies his impact on the game, as we saw last year with Gobert.

Play him at the 5 and we have one of the best PNR duos in the NBA. The problem then is the lack of defense, so more moves would be needed to bring in defenders at the forward spots.

It's worth considering, but maybe the juice isn't worth the squeeze there.

My sentiment exactly. If we end up with Towns we will want to keep Mitchell and get OG as a counterbalance. I think it can work if we get OG. Preference is a different direction though

[Knicksfan1992]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

Towns is interesting because his underlying numbers for a long time have said he's one of the most productive players in the league and yet there just seems to be something missing with him...However, if you tend to think that he's a candidate for a fresh new start bump then there might be a good case to trade for him now. Especially, if you think that his true value may be a little suppressed due to an unfairly poor reputation that might not be entirely his fault. (Trading for Gobert, The Jimmy meltdown stuff, not really ever having a pg to play off of, etc.)

Pros for me would be:

-You could finally install a true "5 out offense". KAT is undeniably one of the best shooters in the game. Which would open up driving lanes for Brunson and co.
-He brings a level of consistent efficiency that we haven't had from any of our high usage players, outside of Brunson.
-You likely don't need to include Grimes in a deal for KAT
-His numbers say he can be a go-to guy on a really good playoff team even if it hasn't materialized yet. Maybe a better situation allows that to happen? His last 3 seasons he's at 24/10/4 on a 63% TS. If you filter out those kind of numbers, the people who reach those kind of marks are generally All NBA 1st and 2nd team caliber guys.

Cons are:
-He's had trouble staying healthy lately. Not really a guy we can rely on to play a ton going forward IMO.
-His contract is GINORMOUS. While there is some value in acquiring a player that you will know the cost of 3-4 years from now, it is definitely risky to take on a contract of that size going forward. There is a chance you could be buying high and end up selling low...
-Can you build a winner around negative defenders at the 1 + 5 positions? This is the biggest philosophical question here IMO and why acquiring KAT, to me, only makes sense if you are not unloading everything you have...You need to have something in the holster ready to adjust the rest of the personnel to tailor around your 2 marquee guys. It can be risky to make a big trade knowing it most likely can't be your final move.

[Capn'O]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

Your trade does not show up through the link

I'm a little confused as to why but I'm not finding the right link. In any event, my trade was:

Towns

Quickley
iHart
Fournier

Then we add a bunch of draft capital.

Note, I'm not advocating this. Just guessing what it could be. This was a successful trade in the TM.

[Capn'O]

Towns, to me, is the new Kevin Love, who also started with the Wolves.

I don't think he gets you there on his own nor do I like the fit with our guys. There's just a lot of smoke and relative roster strengths and weaknesses... I could see traction gaining here in a way I'm not with other stars.

My fear with Towns is that Thibs may be tempted to play him at the 4 due to the lack of rim protection, which is a complete waste of Towns's talent and nullifies his impact on the game, as we saw last year with Gobert.

If we get him it's as a 5 imo. The frontline combo with RJ and Randle... no defense at all. I guess there's the off chance we do move Randle for him. Randle actually makes a little more sense next to Gobert than Towns does since Gobert is basically a super charged Mitch. And from our perspective, we keep more of the draft capital. I just see the org as committed to Randle.

-Can you build a winner around negative defenders at the 1 + 5 positions? This is the biggest philosophical question here IMO and why acquiring KAT, to me, only makes sense if you are not unloading everything you have...You need to have something in the holster ready to adjust the rest of the personnel to tailor around your 2 marquee guys. It can be risky to make a big trade knowing it most likely can't be your final move.

Maybe there was more traction on something like OG for RJ than we saw. Something like that would make even more sense if we acquired Towns. We'd still need another 4, though maybe we go small with Hart or have a second unit that features OG and otherwise play OG more limited with the starters.

[clear]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ywxowhzw

Your trade does not show up through the link

I'm a little confused as to why. In any event, my trade was:

Towns

Quickley
iHart
Fournier

Then we add a bunch of draft capital.

Note, I'm not advocating this. Just guessing what it could be. This is a successful trade.

I'm afraid you're right, and hope that you're wrong. It does feel like there has been a concerted messaging push in the past couple weeks, laying the groundwork for Towns in NYC. Basketball concerns aside (and they are many), this guy does not seem like he would benefit from the type of scrutiny a trade to the Knicks would bring, especially if it's made out to be THE BIG ONE we've all been waiting for.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[The Lamma]

Knicks still have 2 roster spots (Ryan and Roby are 10-day contract deals), the 4,5M Biannual, and a $6,803,012 trade exception according to Sportrac. Who could the Knicks get?

Thought Bullock would have been a nice get. He fit really well here. In particular, he had good chemistry with Randle.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Anyone know if he is worth it? https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38722732/sources-suns-waiving-guard-keon-johnson-trim-roster

We can probably find room for another guard.

[spree2kawhi]

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[spree2kawhi]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

Towns is a very good player.

Brunson
Grimes
Hart
Randle
Towns

Why not?