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Matches Malone wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Matches Malone wrote:
Good video, very informative. He likes Jordan a lot, loved his straight arm of Crosby. Biggest criticism is his deep ball accuracy, no argument there. He's also very critical of our play-calling, and our young receivers repeatedly with poor spacing.
skones wrote:stillgotgame wrote:Matches Malone wrote:
Good video, very informative. He likes Jordan a lot, loved his straight arm of Crosby. Biggest criticism is his deep ball accuracy, no argument there. He's also very critical of our play-calling, and our young receivers repeatedly with poor spacing.
I don't know how you watch these last couple videos on Love and come away with "he likes Jordan a lot" while he points out that he misses throws you HAVE to make in the NFL. That's some rose colored glasses re-framing. Obviously doesn't think play calling and scheme does any favors.
stillgotgame wrote:Then there was elite catcher of the ball. Hit him right in the hands, same result.
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Love ain’t the problem.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:To me it wasn't the interception it was actually the throw right before to Watson that is the big red flag throw. He just has to put that ball in the window that was there. It's not an easy throw but if he's going to be the guy it's one he needs to make.
Unless there's a whole crop of wrs entering the league with Wemby like catch radiuses love simply has to do a better job hitting his spots.
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humanrefutation wrote:Benkert has been a good follow, but I think he's off base. Arguing that the last pick was only a bad throw because Toure didn't draw a DPI is a pretty **** absurd take. An offense based on drawing DPIs is not an offense.
Love has not shown the consistent ability to make the right reads - and when he does, he's consistently been at least a half second behind on each of his throws. Both of his TDs yesterday were throws behind the receiver that very easily could have resulted in turnovers. You can argue that his supporting cast and playcalling haven't helped - and I wouldn't disagree - but unless his receivers are running the wrong routes all the time, Love's poor accuracy has been evident for weeks now.
Yup, late and behind him. And that's predetermined timing throw so he needs to anticipate it. Now again that's not an easy throw but it's one that a good NFL QB has to make.RubberSoul wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:To me it wasn't the interception it was actually the throw right before to Watson that is the big red flag throw. He just has to put that ball in the window that was there. It's not an easy throw but if he's going to be the guy it's one he needs to make.
Unless there's a whole crop of wrs entering the league with Wemby like catch radiuses love simply has to do a better job hitting his spots.
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He was so late on it too. Zero anticipation.
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His foundational problem is major -- the absence of requisite accuracy.
Through Week 7, 15.5% of Love's throws (not counting spikes or throwaways) have been deemed "off target," which is the third-highest rate of off-target throws in football, trailing only Kenny Pickett and Deshaun Watson.
The Packers can cling to this dynamic with Love and his accuracy problems -- his main issue is simply doing too much, which is better than not possessing the ability to do enough. In other words, he's too often getting too cute or flashy with his footwork and delivery.
......And these two throws aren't outliers. The arm-talent exhibitions from awkward platforms are the norm for Love, dating back to his collegiate days at Utah State. It's one thing to often sling the football in a Mahomesian style in the Mountain West. Love proved if you're naturally talented enough, it can be part of the reason you get drafted in the first round. Doing so on a regular basis in the NFL -- particularly when it's not needed -- is a dangerous game. And it's one of the leading causes in Love simply not hitting his intended targets at anywhere close to the rate he needs to for the Packers offense to operate well.
Treebeard wrote:Another outside PoV:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/whats-wrong-with-jordan-love-and-what-should-packers-do-from-here-at-quarterback/
There's some more analysis than usual for a national click-bait post. I thought it interestingHis foundational problem is major -- the absence of requisite accuracy.
Through Week 7, 15.5% of Love's throws (not counting spikes or throwaways) have been deemed "off target," which is the third-highest rate of off-target throws in football, trailing only Kenny Pickett and Deshaun Watson.The Packers can cling to this dynamic with Love and his accuracy problems -- his main issue is simply doing too much, which is better than not possessing the ability to do enough. In other words, he's too often getting too cute or flashy with his footwork and delivery.......And these two throws aren't outliers. The arm-talent exhibitions from awkward platforms are the norm for Love, dating back to his collegiate days at Utah State. It's one thing to often sling the football in a Mahomesian style in the Mountain West. Love proved if you're naturally talented enough, it can be part of the reason you get drafted in the first round. Doing so on a regular basis in the NFL -- particularly when it's not needed -- is a dangerous game. And it's one of the leading causes in Love simply not hitting his intended targets at anywhere close to the rate he needs to for the Packers offense to operate well.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
MVP2110 wrote:?t=rDLtlQMhxblPW89rd1wu7g&s=19
Not good but not awful either. If you average these metrics out that puts him about 20th in the NFL
skones wrote:MVP2110 wrote:?t=rDLtlQMhxblPW89rd1wu7g&s=19
Not good but not awful either. If you average these metrics out that puts him about 20th in the NFL
I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.
Matches Malone wrote:
Some good stuff in there and lines up with what I've seen so far. One of his biggest knocks coming out was not being able to sync his footwork on his throws and we're seeing that evident now. He gets off his backfoot way too much and puts too much air under everything. In the first few games, he was standing in the pocket with poise and letting it rip with good structure, but I'm guessing the bad O-Line play/Injuries have contributed to him coming unglued recently.
MVP2110 wrote:
20th is not awful. It's not good but it's hardly awful and certainly not a spot where I'd write Love off after 6 games
