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[Shaffty]

I’ve seen a few of the “all in one” metrics predicting win totals for this year and they really dislike the Bucks. I think DARKO and LEBRON have the bucks around 44 wins or so.

analytics think jrue to dame isnt an upgrade

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’ve seen a few of the “all in one” metrics predicting win totals for this year and they really dislike the Bucks. I think DARKO and LEBRON have the bucks around 44 wins or so.

Would be interesting to go back and see how accurate these are now that they've been doing it for multiple years.

I think the all in one metrics are mostly stupid for individual players but maybe more useful for team predictions.

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[KendallMarshall]

I’ve seen a few of the “all in one” metrics predicting win totals for this year and they really dislike the Bucks. I think DARKO and LEBRON have the bucks around 44 wins or so.

Lebron James and darko milicic have their own analytics categories? Lol

[tedbrogen]

I’ve seen a few of the “all in one” metrics predicting win totals for this year and they really dislike the Bucks. I think DARKO and LEBRON have the bucks around 44 wins or so.

analytics think jrue to dame isnt an upgrade

Did the analytics not see the series against the Heat?

[crowhead76]

I keep wondering if the Blazers and Bucks have another trade to complete. Thybule and Dame have the same agent, have worked out together in summers, are comfortable playing next to each other, and Matisse would fill a great need for the Bucks. His offense looked much better in Portland too. I am not sure when he can be traded.

[soxperry]

i'm watching Jokic not even attempt to play defense at times and it's destroying all concerns i may have had about Dame.

[Fotis St]

i'm watching Jokic not even attempt to play defense at times and it's destroying all concerns i may have had about Dame.

In 2015 someone here posted something that flipped my point of view on which should be a team's priority ... offense or defense ? I know there must be some balance BUT where do u start from and set up your priorities.

I was all about Defense ... Defense wins championships, make the extra + extra pass, casual Greek basketball mentality. Greek NT the first ever team to keep a Dream Team under 100 points (Dream Team 2), even if we lost Greeks took pride for their Defense. Best Greek ever Coach Ioannidis RIP was all about defense especially from the Greek players. I believed Euroleague was "better basketball" than the NBA and all these bs from someone from EU who doesn't watch whole NBA games.

So I encountered a wise real GM poster that said here something like this "its called basketball, not defenseball or assistball, you have to score the basket." ... That post just helped me realise that elite offense just beats the ef out of elite defense, and you don't get extra points on the scoreboard from blocks and steals. Someone has to score on offense to convert and capitalise a good D and a gained extra possesion.

From 2013 till now I have watched hundreds of full games even non Bucks, and the thing that surprised me was the super amount of offensive talent gathered in the NBA. EU has talent drain. The pace, high scores, the 3p era just changed the game. I am not suddenly a ppg lover, I don't love chuckers, I just prefer elite offense from elite defense. This is for example I prefer AJ Green over Beauchamp, I prefer cementing my offense than gaining a couple extra possessions that will not convert on the other end.

Sorry for the long post, my basketball heart took over me.

[crkone]

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i'm watching Jokic not even attempt to play defense at times and it's destroying all concerns i may have had about Dame.

In 2015 someone here posted something that flipped my point of view on which should be a team's priority ... offense or defense ? I know there must be some balance BUT where do u start from and set up your priorities.

I was all about Defense ... Defense wins championships, make the extra + extra pass, casual Greek basketball mentality. Greek NT the first ever team to keep a Dream Team under 100 points (Dream Team 2), even if we lost Greeks took pride for their Defense. Best Greek ever Coach Ioannidis RIP was all about defense especially from the Greek players. I believed Euroleague was "better basketball" than the NBA and all these bs from someone from EU who doesn't watch whole NBA games.

So I encountered a wise real GM poster that said here something like this "its called basketball, not defenseball or assistball, you have to score the basket." ... That post just helped me realise that elite offense just beats the ef out of elite defense, and you don't get extra points on the scoreboard from blocks and steals. Someone has to score on offense to convert and capitalise a good D and a gained extra possesion.

From 2013 till now I have watched hundreds of full games even non Bucks, and the thing that surprised me was the super amount of offensive talent gathered in the NBA. EU has talent drain. The pace, high scores, the 3p era just changed the game. I am not suddenly a ppg lover, I don't love chuckers, I just prefer elite offense from elite defense. This is for example I prefer AJ Green over Beauchamp, I prefer cementing my offense than gaining a couple extra possessions that will not convert on the other end.

Sorry for the long post, my basketball heart took over me.

Making shots also helps to prevent some of the easiest offense for the opponent, transition.

[crowhead76]

Right now, quite a bit is hinging on the development and playability of Marjon and/or AJJ. I would argue that the team needs one of them to become a solid point of attack defender and be able to contribute offensively. If they are not ready to be that guy yet on a championship team then a trade will need to be made for a point of attack defender in my opinion. Bobby is a tough one to trade because of the depth in the front court if Brook were to get hurt. If Marjon ard/or AJJ can be serviceable bench pieces this year then I think it really makes Pat the most expendable contract, would hate to lose playoff Pat but there could certainly be an upgrade for this particular roster. This is what I would view as a wishlist of guys that could start at the 2 and have Beasley/Green come off the bench.

Thybulle (would be my top choice when available, has played with Dame and has 3 years left on his contract, PO last year, same agent as Dame)
Caruso - 2 years left on contract (Bulls may want to much in return)
Delon Wright - last year of his contract

The first two would need another player going out (Livingston?) in order to make them work financially.

My proposal for Thybulle would be Pat, Livingston, and Portland 2024 2nd for Thybulle and a future 2nd in return.

I would also waive Wiggenton and sign either Keon Johnson or JRE. JRE will never be anything special but he has played minutes in real NBA games and would be a nice high IQ depth piece. Keon Johnson would give them another young gifted athlete with defensive upside to try and develop. I would not be opposed to waiving Bolden and signing both of them.

This would also open up an additional regular roster spot.

Lillard | Payne | Washington (2way)
Thybule | Beasley | Green |
Middleton | Beauchamp | AJJ |
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez | Bolden (2way)

[Ron Swanson]

Right now, quite a bit is hinging on the development and playability of Marjon and/or AJJ.

I just don't agree with this at all. We're talking about like, the 8th most important player on this roster at best. If Marjon/AJJ don't amount to anything then you just slide Pat in there. That's not even mentioning Beasley and Crowder as additional proven rotation dudes. Now if you wanna say that a lot of the future is hinging on Marjon/AJJ turning into legit rotation guys past this current 2-year window, then sure, absolutely.

[crkone]

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[crowhead76]

Right now, quite a bit is hinging on the development and playability of Marjon and/or AJJ.

I just don't agree with this at all. We're talking about like, the 8th most important player on this roster at best. If Marjon/AJJ don't amount to anything then you just slide Pat in there. That's not even mentioning Beasley and Crowder as additional proven rotation dudes. Now if you wanna say that a lot of the future is hinging on Marjon/AJJ turning into legit rotation guys past this current 2-year window, then sure, absolutely.

I may have overstated the importance of their immediate development. I am just concerned about the lack of point of attack/perimeter defense currently on the roster. I would love to be wrong, just nervous I guess. I am incredibly excited and anxious to see this team play, the wait is almost over.

[nagawicka]

i'm watching Jokic not even attempt to play defense at times and it's destroying all concerns i may have had about Dame.

In 2015 someone here posted something that flipped my point of view on which should be a team's priority ... offense or defense ? I know there must be some balance BUT where do u start from and set up your priorities.
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So I encountered a wise real GM poster that said here something like this "its called basketball, not defenseball or assistball, you have to score the basket." ... That post just helped me realise that elite offense just beats the ef out of elite defense . . .

They don't call it 'offenseball' either. Nor do they call it 'ISOball' or 'stand there & watch me singlehandedly not beat my guy + his help-ball'. So wheeeerrrre is your point. Both/and means any team not playing teamball isn't likely to win. Winning teams get stops on defense AND beat their guys on offense, and teamball is the most effective method on both ends of the court. It'll never be one at the expense of the other.

[nagawicka]

Right now, quite a bit is hinging on the development and playability of Marjon and/or AJJ.

I just don't agree with this at all. We're talking about like, the 8th most important player on this roster at best. If Marjon/AJJ don't amount to anything then you just slide Pat in there. That's not even mentioning Beasley and Crowder as additional proven rotation dudes. Now if you wanna say that a lot of the future is hinging on Marjon/AJJ turning into legit rotation guys past this current 2-year window, then sure, absolutely.

I may have overstated the importance of their immediate development. I am just concerned about the lack of point of attack/perimeter defense currently on the roster. I would love to be wrong, just nervous I guess. I am incredibly excited and anxious to see this team play, the wait is almost over.

Trading Livingston is a bad idea

[emunney]

Can we get a draft thread yet? Want to start getting hype for Oso.

[Matches Malone]

Griff giving these guys ulcers?

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[soxperry]

Bill Simmons finally turned on us. He had Doc Rivers on the pod and after opening w Celtics talk, his first question is: "so with Milwaukee, you got the first time coach and the questionable defense, which do you see is the bigger problem?"

Lol

This has been brewing for some time. I could smell it in his comments last season and he even slighted us in our finals year by just not doing pods after our biggest moments.

Bottom line: He's scared. Celtics basketball is all that remains of his frontrunner fan pedigree. This HAS to be a chip soon or none of his teams matter. He loved that we were running back the same old core unit and then old Horsty flipped the table over.

He is REALLY banking on this White/Holiday defensive savior angle. He asks Doc: "Dont you just feel like with those two, a guy like Dame will come to town and have a hard time?"

[randy84]

Bill Simmons finally turned on us. He had Doc Rivers on the pod and after opening w Celtics talk, his first question is: "so with Milwaukee, you got the first time coach and the questionable defense, which do you see is the bigger problem?"

Lol

This has been brewing for some time. I could smell it in his comments last season and he even slighted us in our finals year by just not doing pods after our biggest moments.

Bottom line: He's scared. Celtics basketball is all that remains of his frontrunner fan pedigree. This HAS to be a chip soon or none of his teams matter. He loved that we were running back the same old core unit and then old Horsty flipped the table over.

He is REALLY banking on this White/Holiday defensive savior angle. He asks Doc: "Dont you just feel like with those two, a guy like Dame will come to town and have a hard time?"

I don't get the "Jrue can stop Dame narrative". I understand it happened one time in a playoff series, but Dame's averages against Jrue are 25.5 pts., 6 ast., and 4 rebs, which are his normal career numbers.

[Shaffty]

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[Plossum]

Jrue's advanced numbers in the regular season last year were pretty incredible. He had a +13.5 on/off which was by far the best on the team and ahead of Dame's +12 (https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/1647/onoff#tab-team_efficiency), so not surprising the win predicting models see him as a big loss for us.

But of course people who watch basketball will know Dame is a better player, but more importantly, a much better fit alongside Giannis. Vegas is a much better gauge for team wins and currently have us at at 53.5 for the year. I think even that undersells us a bit. I'd be a strong over on the Bucks assuming we stay pretty healthy throughout the year.