The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

In 5 regular season quarters?

Not that it's all that much of a difference, but he started two full games as a rookie, and the second half in a third. His inability to read the field in his third preseason suggests it wasn't all going to fall into place for him any time soon, but who knows? It's history now.

Preseason is pretty meaningless. QB's often use preseason as a way to try out new things that they wouldn't do in the regular season.

Preseason has limited meaning. It's not meaningless. And Trey Lance was not trying out new things. He was floundering trying to read vanilla defenses.

At the end of the second preseason game, he seemed to be rounding into form to some extent and played pretty well. I would have loved to have at least seen one more preseason game out of him. But up to that point, it was a whole lot of ugly. And that was against guys who are no longer in the league.

[Pattersonca65]

He was the 3rd pick in the draft.

And has showed why he has been a big miss.

In 5 regular season quarters?

That is how bad he was. Shanahan demoted him.

[Big J]

Not that it's all that much of a difference, but he started two full games as a rookie, and the second half in a third. His inability to read the field in his third preseason suggests it wasn't all going to fall into place for him any time soon, but who knows? It's history now.

Preseason is pretty meaningless. QB's often use preseason as a way to try out new things that they wouldn't do in the regular season.

Preseason has limited meaning. It's not meaningless. And Trey Lance was not trying out new things. He was floundering trying to read vanilla defenses.

At the end of the second preseason game, he seemed to be rounding into form to some extent and played pretty well. I would have loved to have at least seen one more preseason game out of him. But up to that point, it was a whole lot of ugly. And that was against guys who are no longer in the league.

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

[arich35]

Watch on YouTube

Go to the 7:15 mark. This throw by Purdy is insane and shows why people are excited about him

Also please Kyle stop having TE's block the best rushers, Brock almost got killed again

[Pattersonca65]

Preseason is pretty meaningless. QB's often use preseason as a way to try out new things that they wouldn't do in the regular season.

Preseason has limited meaning. It's not meaningless. And Trey Lance was not trying out new things. He was floundering trying to read vanilla defenses.

At the end of the second preseason game, he seemed to be rounding into form to some extent and played pretty well. I would have loved to have at least seen one more preseason game out of him. But up to that point, it was a whole lot of ugly. And that was against guys who are no longer in the league.

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

[Big J]

Preseason has limited meaning. It's not meaningless. And Trey Lance was not trying out new things. He was floundering trying to read vanilla defenses.

At the end of the second preseason game, he seemed to be rounding into form to some extent and played pretty well. I would have loved to have at least seen one more preseason game out of him. But up to that point, it was a whole lot of ugly. And that was against guys who are no longer in the league.

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

[thesack12]

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Then why did you constantly bemoan Purdy for throwing interceptions in PRACTICE? Practice means even less than preseason games.

It really is amusing how often you flip flop and constantly change the metrics to better suit whatever you are pushing at that particular moment.

[Pattersonca65]

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Peyton Manning didn't have much to prove. Your boy Lance did and failed

[Pattersonca65]

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Then why did you constantly bemoan Purdy for throwing interceptions in PRACTICE? Practice means even less than preseason games.

It really is amusing how often you flip flop and constantly change the metrics to better suit whatever you are pushing at that particular moment.

This latest one had to be the biggest stretch of all time

[CrimsonCrew]

Preseason is pretty meaningless. QB's often use preseason as a way to try out new things that they wouldn't do in the regular season.

Preseason has limited meaning. It's not meaningless. And Trey Lance was not trying out new things. He was floundering trying to read vanilla defenses.

At the end of the second preseason game, he seemed to be rounding into form to some extent and played pretty well. I would have loved to have at least seen one more preseason game out of him. But up to that point, it was a whole lot of ugly. And that was against guys who are no longer in the league.

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

I'm sorry, is this seriously your argument? He wasn't trying his hardest???

If Trey Lance wasn't trying his hardest in the preseason, then GTF off the team. I don't believe that for a second, but if it's true, he deserved to get cut outright. Anyone with any sense of this team knew the preseason was important for Lance. If he either didn't know it or knew it and didn't take it entirely seriously, then we missed even worse than we thought in the draft.

[CrimsonCrew]

There’s no way of knowing if Lance was trying his hardest given that it was preseason. That is common among guys in the preseason.

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Because that's a reasonable comparison. Peyton Manning, one of the greats to ever play the position, didn't try his hardest in the preseason. And Trey Lance, who was pretty darn bad in his regular season performances with the exception of one decent half against one of the worst defenses in the league (in which he routinely missed easy reads but was able to make up for it with improvisation), who was shown up BIG TIME by the rookie last pick in the draft, figured he was in the Manning boat and could just let it ride and show up in the regular season?

I try to limit my arguments to logic and stay more or less out of the fray, but this is literally the dumbest argument you have made, and that's not for lack of competition.

[Samurai]

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Not positive about this, but it is just slightly possible that Manning had a teeny-weeny more confidence that he could see some consistent playing time in the regular season than Lance. At least it is possible that Manning had a tiny bit more confidence that his playing time wasn't in jeopardy based on his pre-season performance than Lance. Otherwise comparing Manning and Lance is absolutely spot-on in terms of how much their pre-season performance meant to their job security - plus one all the way!

[CrimsonCrew]

LMAO, Lance was just coasting through the preseason because he wasn't playing for anything. He was trying, he just stunk for the most part.

Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs ever was notorious for having a terrible preseason record. He never tried his best when the games didn’t count, and nobody holds that against him. Regular season and playoffs are much better for evaluating QBs.

Because that's a reasonable comparison. Peyton Manning, one of the greats to ever play the position, didn't try his hardest in the preseason. And Trey Lance, who was pretty darn bad in his regular season performances with the exception of one decent half against one of the worst defenses in the league (in which he routinely missed easy reads but was able to make up for it with improvisation), who was shown up BIG TIME by the rookie last pick in the draft, figured he was in the Manning boat and could just let it ride and show up in the regular season?

I try to limit my arguments to logic and stay more or less out of the fray, but this is literally the dumbest argument you have made, and that's not for lack of competition.

Just to return to Manning again, the Colts went 3-1 in his second preseason. In the third game that year, which is the one teams take more seriously, they scored 37 points (I can't quickly find a play-by-play for this stuff, so going with limited info). That season, he led the team to a 13-3 record and made the pro bowl. No one was questioning whether Peyton Manning could play after that.

[CrimsonCrew]

Watch on YouTube

Go to the 7:15 mark. This throw by Purdy is insane and shows why people are excited about him

Also please Kyle stop having TE's block the best rushers, Brock almost got killed again

That is a great ball. It's that ability to see the field and anticipate that makes him potentially special. A lot of really experienced NFL QBs never even get to this level of anticipation. But to the point of that INT later in the game, you're putting a lot of faith in the WR to be where you want him to be. In that play, if Jennings slips in his break for instance, it's probably a pick. You need Brock to keep doing that stuff, but it will lead to some inevitable mishaps.

[Samurai]

Watch on YouTube

Go to the 7:15 mark. This throw by Purdy is insane and shows why people are excited about him

Also please Kyle stop having TE's block the best rushers, Brock almost got killed again

That is a great ball. It's that ability to see the field and anticipate that makes him potentially special. A lot of really experienced NFL QBs never even get to this level of anticipation. But to the point of that INT later in the game, you're putting a lot of faith in the WR to be where you want him to be. In that play, if Jennings slips in his break for instance, it's probably a pick. You need Brock to keep doing that stuff, but it will lead to some inevitable mishaps.

Not saying that this at all excuses those two killer picks at the end of the game, but the play that Purdy likely received his concussion was just before the first pick. If his brain was compromised, even if he may not have noticed it at the time, it is possible that a brain injury could affect performance and judgment on those types of timing/anticipation throws. I believe Kyle said in an interview that he was more upset at the first pick (I believe it was before Purdy's concussion protocol was made public) than the second pick. He said he wasn't really upset at the second pick because there were only 30 seconds to play, everyone (including the Vikings) knew we had to get a touchdown and a field goal was worthless, and they were sitting back knowing that type of throw was coming. He felt the first pick was far less excusable.

But you are right in that even if healthy, any time you make an anticipation throw something could go wrong. In this case (the first pick), Jennings took one step to the outside before turning it back in to the middle of the field. That one step caused Jennings to be a step late and thus wasn't in position, making it appear that the ball was intended for the defender because Jennings was supposed to be there at that time. With or without a concussion, those types of miscues could take place.

[CrimsonCrew]

Worth noting on Purdy's scramble that he's basically even with the safety and actually opens up a little room while running for the sideline. That's Josh Metellus. Not an elite athlete, but he ran a 4.55 40, and Purdy separates (just a bit, but still) from the time that they are both running flat-out. He's quicker than he looks.

[arich35]

Watch on YouTube

Go to the 7:15 mark. This throw by Purdy is insane and shows why people are excited about him

Also please Kyle stop having TE's block the best rushers, Brock almost got killed again

That is a great ball. It's that ability to see the field and anticipate that makes him potentially special. A lot of really experienced NFL QBs never even get to this level of anticipation. But to the point of that INT later in the game, you're putting a lot of faith in the WR to be where you want him to be. In that play, if Jennings slips in his break for instance, it's probably a pick. You need Brock to keep doing that stuff, but it will lead to some inevitable mishaps.

Agreed, but I think that is something we can live with. I didn't watch a ton of Brady but I do remember a lot of times when he threw picks and was on the receiver's ass pretty quick about their routes. Good and bad routes can be all the difference between a great and average QB

[thesack12]

Purdy has now stacked 3 consecutive bad games.

Its especially frustrating because he has shown an ability to play very good football for long stretches and made several special plays during that time frame. However the mistakes he is making are of the game changing/breaking variety. You just can't have those types of plays, let alone in bunches.

Turnovers, especially game deciding ones, are not only the fastest way to lose your job in this league but also a blueprint for Kyle to devolve his game planning and play calling. Putting Purdy into outright game managing mode, isn't going to allow the 49ers to go anywhere.

Its still too early to pull the plug on Brock. He's a young player, and those guys are expected to go through some growing pains. He's also shown some scintillating talent and ability to make plays. There is still a lot to like, and things to build on. But he's deciding games in a negative way lately. Absolutely can't have that. If that trend continues, he's going to need to get pulled.

[Big J]

Purdy has now stacked 3 consecutive bad games.

Its especially frustrating because he has shown an ability to play very good football for long stretches and made several special plays during that time frame. However the mistakes he is making are of the game changing/breaking variety. You just can't have those types of plays, let alone in bunches.

Turnovers, especially game deciding ones, are not only the fastest way to lose your job in this league but also a blueprint for Kyle to devolve his game planning and play calling. Putting Purdy into outright game managing mode, isn't going to allow the 49ers to go anywhere.

Its still too early to pull the plug on Brock. He's a young player, and those guys are expected to go through some growing pains. He's also shown some scintillating talent and ability to make plays. There is still a lot to like, and things to build on. But he's deciding games in a negative way lately. Absolutely can't have that. If that trend continues, he's going to need to get pulled.

I've been saying this whole time that he's Jimmy G. This is the same kind of crap Jimmy pulled.

[arich35]

Purdy has now stacked 3 consecutive bad games.

Its especially frustrating because he has shown an ability to play very good football for long stretches and made several special plays during that time frame. However the mistakes he is making are of the game changing/breaking variety. You just can't have those types of plays, let alone in bunches.

Turnovers, especially game deciding ones, are not only the fastest way to lose your job in this league but also a blueprint for Kyle to devolve his game planning and play calling. Putting Purdy into outright game managing mode, isn't going to allow the 49ers to go anywhere.

Its still too early to pull the plug on Brock. He's a young player, and those guys are expected to go through some growing pains. He's also shown some scintillating talent and ability to make plays. There is still a lot to like, and things to build on. But he's deciding games in a negative way lately. Absolutely can't have that. If that trend continues, he's going to need to get pulled.

I've been saying this whole time that he's Jimmy G. This is the same kind of crap Jimmy pulled.

Jimmy wasn't doing it as a 2nd year player showing great plays in between. Purdy has shown he can make great throws and reads, he needs to clean up the turnovers and show he is getting better after this rough patch.