RS 23/24 - Mavs @ Spurs (Oct 25)

[dirkforpres]

What is DJJ here for again??

I think he could be really good here if he is played in the right role. He is not a starter though. Coming off the bench and not playing at all in the 1st or 4th quarters is where he needs to be. Its a shame that OMax looked so lost in the preseason, otherwise we wouldnt really need to play him at all.

[41Dirk41]

Great game by Grant too, we need a tough player like him. Good pick up.

Grant played great defense on Wemby, was extremely physical, pushing and shoving, bodying him every time he got the ball, great 1st game.
Lively's weakness remains post defense, but it's a rare play, hinestly, I don't care, the layup drill under Mavs basket from last season remained this game any time he went off the floor.

Yeah Reggie would never be able to do what Grant did tonight.

I think Lively is being coached to cool it defensively right now because they know he’s their best center and don’t want such a young guy to get into foul trouble. As he figures out what he can and can’t do he will get to be more aggressive defending the rim. He is also still learning to rotations and can be a step late quite often. That will also get better.

Don't cry my friend, your idol Dwight Powell will play some minutes next game... Hang on

[BeiBeau]

Grant played great defense on Wemby, was extremely physical, pushing and shoving, bodying him every time he got the ball, great 1st game.
Lively's weakness remains post defense, but it's a rare play, hinestly, I don't care, the layup drill under Mavs basket from last season remained this game any time he went off the floor.

Yeah Reggie would never be able to do what Grant did tonight.

I think Lively is being coached to cool it defensively right now because they know he’s their best center and don’t want such a young guy to get into foul trouble. As he figures out what he can and can’t do he will get to be more aggressive defending the rim. He is also still learning to rotations and can be a step late quite often. That will also get better.

Don't cry my friend, your idol Dwight Powell will play some minutes next game... Hang on

Dude with how much you bring up Powell when the conversation is literally not even about him makes me think you’ve got a man crush. He’s a handsome dude so I can totally understand why and I fully support it.

If you really want to talk about Powell we can. Mathematically last season Dallas was at their best when Powell was at the 5. Not maxi, not wood, not McGee but Powell. I’m not saying that is a good thing, it is not, Powell was objectively the worst starting center in the league. It is very good that Lively is ready. He is a huge improvement over Powell. However, Maxi is not a backup 5. He’s a 4. If Lively is gonna get 30 minutes at the 5, and maxi gets 6 or so closing minutes, then yeah there are 12 minutes or so where Dallas needs Powell or Holmes to come in and play backup 5 at a higher level then Maxi does. And as I stated last season mathematically Powell did.

There is a role on this team where Powell and Holmes can contribute positively to the team. Lively went from being a horrible screen setter and roll man in summer league to pretty good last night in only 3 months of work. Tyson for sure deserves the bulk of that credit but Dwight also helped. If we play Powell as something he is not(a full time starting center) then he is always going to fail. What he is, is a backup and always has been.

But please, continue to contribute nothing to any conversation you’re a part of. I already know that the most complex thoughts you can come up with are “this guy sucks”, “you love powell”, and “ ”. If you want to have a conversation then offer anything other then trolling.

[41Dirk41]

Yeah Reggie would never be able to do what Grant did tonight.

I think Lively is being coached to cool it defensively right now because they know he’s their best center and don’t want such a young guy to get into foul trouble. As he figures out what he can and can’t do he will get to be more aggressive defending the rim. He is also still learning to rotations and can be a step late quite often. That will also get better.

Don't cry my friend, your idol Dwight Powell will play some minutes next game... Hang on

Dude with how much you bring up Powell when the conversation is literally not even about him makes me think you’ve got a man crush. He’s a handsome dude so I can totally understand why and I fully support it.

If you really want to talk about Powell we can. Mathematically last season Dallas was at their best when Powell was at the 5. Not maxi, not wood, not McGee but Powell. I’m not saying that is a good thing, it is not, Powell was objectively the worst starting center in the league. It is very good that Lively is ready. He is a huge improvement over Powell. However, Maxi is not a backup 5. He’s a 4. If Lively is gonna get 30 minutes at the 5, and maxi gets 6 or so closing minutes, then yeah there are 12 minutes or so where Dallas needs Powell or Holmes to come in and play backup 5 at a higher level then Maxi does. And as I stated last season mathematically Powell did.

There is a role on this team where Powell and Holmes can contribute positively to the team. Lively went from being a horrible screen setter and roll man in summer league to pretty good last night in only 3 months of work. Tyson for sure deserves the bulk of that credit but Dwight also helped. If we play Powell as something he is not(a full time starting center) then he is always going to fail. What he is, is a backup and always has been.

But please, continue to contribute nothing to any conversation you’re a part of. I already know that the most complex thoughts you can come up with are “this guy sucks”, “you love powell”, and “ ”. If you want to have a conversation then offer anything other then trolling.

Yes... waving towels like last night.

We are agree finally

[BeiBeau]

Don't cry my friend, your idol Dwight Powell will play some minutes next game... Hang on

Dude with how much you bring up Powell when the conversation is literally not even about him makes me think you’ve got a man crush. He’s a handsome dude so I can totally understand why and I fully support it.

If you really want to talk about Powell we can. Mathematically last season Dallas was at their best when Powell was at the 5. Not maxi, not wood, not McGee but Powell. I’m not saying that is a good thing, it is not, Powell was objectively the worst starting center in the league. It is very good that Lively is ready. He is a huge improvement over Powell. However, Maxi is not a backup 5. He’s a 4. If Lively is gonna get 30 minutes at the 5, and maxi gets 6 or so closing minutes, then yeah there are 12 minutes or so where Dallas needs Powell or Holmes to come in and play backup 5 at a higher level then Maxi does. And as I stated last season mathematically Powell did.

There is a role on this team where Powell and Holmes can contribute positively to the team. Lively went from being a horrible screen setter and roll man in summer league to pretty good last night in only 3 months of work. Tyson for sure deserves the bulk of that credit but Dwight also helped. If we play Powell as something he is not(a full time starting center) then he is always going to fail. What he is, is a backup and always has been.

But please, continue to contribute nothing to any conversation you’re a part of. I already know that the most complex thoughts you can come up with are “this guy sucks”, “you love powell”, and “ ”. If you want to have a conversation then offer anything other then trolling.

Yes... waving towels like last night.

We are agree finally

This is what I’m talking about. You contribute nothing to this conversation. You might think you’re funny. The rest of us know it’s because you just don’t know that much about the sport.

That would be fine if you were here to learn but instead you troll.

[AJace]

Wow. What a fun game. It seems that JKidd might probably know something that we don't about that Lively kid after all. That was a weird starting 5 but since they got the W, you can bet Kidd goes with it again next time lol. No Powell, hooray! But gimme some Jaden Hardy next game.

[41Dirk41]

Dude with how much you bring up Powell when the conversation is literally not even about him makes me think you’ve got a man crush. He’s a handsome dude so I can totally understand why and I fully support it.

If you really want to talk about Powell we can. Mathematically last season Dallas was at their best when Powell was at the 5. Not maxi, not wood, not McGee but Powell. I’m not saying that is a good thing, it is not, Powell was objectively the worst starting center in the league. It is very good that Lively is ready. He is a huge improvement over Powell. However, Maxi is not a backup 5. He’s a 4. If Lively is gonna get 30 minutes at the 5, and maxi gets 6 or so closing minutes, then yeah there are 12 minutes or so where Dallas needs Powell or Holmes to come in and play backup 5 at a higher level then Maxi does. And as I stated last season mathematically Powell did.

There is a role on this team where Powell and Holmes can contribute positively to the team. Lively went from being a horrible screen setter and roll man in summer league to pretty good last night in only 3 months of work. Tyson for sure deserves the bulk of that credit but Dwight also helped. If we play Powell as something he is not(a full time starting center) then he is always going to fail. What he is, is a backup and always has been.

But please, continue to contribute nothing to any conversation you’re a part of. I already know that the most complex thoughts you can come up with are “this guy sucks”, “you love powell”, and “ ”. If you want to have a conversation then offer anything other then trolling.

Yes... waving towels like last night.

We are agree finally

This is what I’m talking about. You contribute nothing to this conversation. You might think you’re funny. The rest of us know it’s because you just don’t know that much about the sport.

That would be fine if you were here to learn but instead you troll.

What? Learn from a guy who thinks Powell is a legit NBA player? don't make me laugh joker

A 19kid at first NBA game with Luka Doncic played 100x better than what Powell ever did.
That's the finale proof, go arm in arm with your friend who is very good at making excuses.

[Darren]

We heard all preseason how Lively has been impressive, working hard with Chandler. We've seen flashes of him being great. It was evident he's probably already their best big guy.

So, naturally what Kidd decides to do in a real game? He starts freaking Maxi and DJJ over Lively and Green. At this point it's more like Kidd is playing 5D chess with himself rather trying to outsmart other coaches. Dude is seriously becoming a parody and a meme.

I don't think we give enough credit to Tyson Chandler. I said before if Lively is ready at game1, he probably did some magic with Lively. And he sure did look amazing next to Luka.


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Lively is awesome in the debut, especially for scoring and rebounding. When Lively is able to jump with ease for 36 minutes. The Mavs gets a truthfully ready Lively. Spurs shoots over 50% on the floor pretty much because Lively avoids jumping. But I'd take the career high 31 minutes played. The Mavs needs a rebounder rather badly. The regress of Maxi creates deep trouble to frontcourt rotation. Lively would better be able to play big minutes without foul trouble and injury concerns.

Kidd is awful with the obsessive small ball. It nearly dig a hole the Mavs could not recovered. The starting lineup sucks. Luckily, Luka is in playoff shape and is clutch as hell. Grant William also lives up to hype in clutch moments. Luka's steals and step back Jack's creates the difference. But the Mavs shot only 31% on 45 threes attempted. 10 extra possessions pay dividends. Half of them come from 5 offensive rebounds from Lively. The Mavs needs to defend the rim at way higher successful rate.

Playoff atmosphere is already there in the season opener. Luka deserves a lot of credit getting in great shape early. Keep on.

[UglyBugBall]

Luka hasn’t chirped at the refs very much tonight. That’s nice to see

That's how he started last season too. By game 20 though his face turned a shade of red from all the screaming and high blood pressure.

[Mavrelous]

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Guys, you don't see eye to eye, instead of bickering endlessly, please ignore each other, if we're bickering after a win, imagine what happens in a losing streak...

[Mavrelous]

I don't think we give enough credit to Tyson Chandler. I said before if Lively is ready at game1, he probably did some magic with Lively. And he sure did look amazing next to Luka.

It was clear from the summer league already, before the draft, there was a Dallas based draft guru who pushed for Lively really hard, even when he was still projected in the twenties, he says that when he watched him, his stat line was very modest, but his impact was enormous.
SAS was a really bad defensive last year, so they can't defend the P&R that well, Lively's offensive shortcomings didn't hurt that much, Luka as getting whatever he wanted on offense, we'll see what happens against better defensive teams, Brooklyn is as good as it gets defensively, we'll see if they can still run good offense with Lively.

[dirkules_41]

I don't think we give enough credit to Tyson Chandler. I said before if Lively is ready at game1, he probably did some magic with Lively. And he sure did look amazing next to Luka.

It was clear from the summer league already, before the draft, there was a Dallas based draft guru who pushed for Lively really hard, even when he was still projected in the twenties, he says that when he watched him, his stat line was very modest, but his impact was enormous.
SAS was a really bad defensive last year, so they can't defend the P&R that well, Lively's offensive shortcomings didn't hurt that much, Luka as getting whatever he wanted on offense, we'll see what happens against better defensive teams, Brooklyn is as good as it gets defensively, we'll see if they can still run good offense with Lively.

I'm not even sure that matters all that much - what I found super obvious in the third quarter was that once Luka had found Lively a few times on the P&R, the lanes started opening up even more for Luka and our shooters became more open. Having to account for where Lively is as well as Luka and the 3 shooters makes it hard work for any defense. It's a lot easier when you don't really need to worry about the C because he's like 5'11 like Powell.

[Bob8]

Important win for the start, although Spurs will be somewhere in the bottom, Wemby is far from ready and his game is too similar to KP's for all the hype he's getting.

Defensively he's light years ahead of KP, game changer on that end, offensively, we'll see, too early, young healthy KP was better, I think he's overhyped on that end.

They look pretty similar to me. Both more perimeter oriented players than true centre, KP was better defender before injury too. The problem with that big players, who are not real bigs is their efficiency and I doubt very much Wemby can defend bigs like Jokic or Embiid.

[Mavrelous]

Important win for the start, although Spurs will be somewhere in the bottom, Wemby is far from ready and his game is too similar to KP's for all the hype he's getting.

Defensively he's light years ahead of KP, game changer on that end, offensively, we'll see, too early, young healthy KP was better, I think he's overhyped on that end.

They look pretty similar to me. Both more perimeter oriented players than true centre, KP was better defender before injury too. The problem with that big players, who are not real bigs is their efficiency and I doubt very much Wemby can defend bigs like Jokic or Embiid.

KP is a drop coverage big, he's similar to Lively, this guy is something else, massive wingspan and reach with fluidity and quickness that disruots everything mid range and farther.

[Dan1970]

Lively upstaged Wembanyama. Great debut for him.

[Bob8]

Defensively he's light years ahead of KP, game changer on that end, offensively, we'll see, too early, young healthy KP was better, I think he's overhyped on that end.

They look pretty similar to me. Both more perimeter oriented players than true centre, KP was better defender before injury too. The problem with that big players, who are not real bigs is their efficiency and I doubt very much Wemby can defend bigs like Jokic or Embiid.

KP is a drop coverage big, he's similar to Lively, this guy is something else, massive wingspan and reach with fluidity and quickness that disruots everything mid range and farther.

My question is, can he guard true centers?

[tleikheen]

My question is, can he guard true centers?

This is so over rated because in the NBA if you can get close to the production of the best BB Centers in the world you are not hurting your team. KP is near a 50Percent/2's ,40 percent/3's and 85 percentFT's and avg23 ppg and Jokic and Embid arent stopping him from getting his avg but at the end of the game more than likely Jokic and Embid have better numbers does that rate KP's numbers a failure. He dis his job which means one other guy has to outplay his defender to even out.

[Bob8]

My question is, can he guard true centers?

This is so over rated because in the NBA if you can get close to the production of the best BB Centers in the world you are not hurting your team. KP is near a 50Percent/2's ,40 percent/3's and 85 percentFT's and avg23 ppg and Jokic and Embid arent stopping him from getting his avg but at the end of the game more than likely Jokic and Embid have better numbers does that rate KP's numbers a failure. He dis his job which means one other guy has to outplay his defender to even out.

Wemby is labelled as generational talent, so standards are a bit higher than normality. I kinda doubt that his offensive game based on perimeter will be generational, so he will need to be generational in D. Teams will try to get Wemby out of the paint and if he can't for example guard Jokic, who will he guard, when they play Denver? Sure it's sexy to see that big player handle the ball and shoot 3, but 80% of Nba players can do that, many much better. Wemby is for sure great talent, but expectations look pretty unrealistic to me. Jokic is the best example how measurements and athleticism is not necessarily the most important.