Markelle Fultz

[Skybox]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning. Like someone else said, for whatever reason when the ball is in his hands, there's a confidence its going to be a bucket. He's very crafty and knows how to get quality EFFICIENT shots.

People keep making this out to be personal preference and it’s not.

You can be the most efficient mid range guy in the league. If you have no other above average skills as a lead point guard, then that makes you a role player.

No other starting point guard in the league can refuse to take 3’s, rarely get to the line, rack up marginal assist numbers, and still have sections of a fan base say **** like “his style is great tho, I want this” lmao.

or credit him with wins when his stats compare with guys who hardly played...stats aren't the whole story, but they're definitely not NOTHING

[Bergmaniac]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning.

Does it? Fultz has absolutely nothing in his career after high school. He's never been on a team with a winning record in the NBA except when he was a marginal player for the Sixers as a rookie and sophomore and he was injured most of the time.

[jayrehme]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning.

Does it? Fultz has absolutely nothing in his career after high school. He's never been on a team with a winning record in the NBA except when he was a marginal player for the Sixers as a rookie and sophomore and he was injured most of the time.

He's had a MAJOR injury until recently. We are talking about current Fultz, not past, injured Fultz and that's unfair to say his team hasn't won when it was one of the youngest teams in the league going through a major rebuild. I guess that means Franz and Paolo suck as well.

[jayrehme]

We get it. He doesn't play the style you want him to play. Its NOT the only way to win, even though you keep obsessing over it. Me myself, I like his style and it does lead to winning. Like someone else said, for whatever reason when the ball is in his hands, there's a confidence its going to be a bucket. He's very crafty and knows how to get quality EFFICIENT shots.

People keep making this out to be personal preference and it’s not.

You can be the most efficient mid range guy in the league. If you have no other above average skills as a lead point guard, then that makes you a role player.

No other starting point guard in the league can refuse to take 3’s, rarely get to the line, rack up marginal assist numbers, and still have sections of a fan base say **** like “his style is great tho, I want this” lmao.

or credit him with wins when his stats compare with guys who hardly played...stats aren't the whole story, but they're definitely not NOTHING

He has all of the skills of a guard, except shooting threes at a high volume as you want. Why do you want to be like every other team in the league? Fultz plays with two G/F's who play OUTSIDE and have ball in their hands alot. He can shoot threes fine when open, just hasn't needed to. I think different sets of minds here are due to some thinking his past is his finished product, while others are seeing his potential.

[yoyojw17]

Maybe hypnosis would work

It's not crazy to think that at all. Everyone says we need to trade or swap him so that Franz and Paolo can get a better option to help them on their drives. Haha. But you watch Fultz play .... and he's taking it to the rim and hitting the midrange ... getting to HIS spots with few people I've seen contain him effectively. So yeah...

His restraint is incredible

He's mature and one of our team leaders... he seems to play the way that the FO and Coaching Staff want to see in this team. UNSELFISH... winning basketball. I'm not all about the stats... i'm about the "W"

[zaymon]

Maybe hypnosis would work

It's not crazy to think that at all. Everyone says we need to trade or swap him so that Franz and Paolo can get a better option to help them on their drives. Haha. But you watch Fultz play .... and he's taking it to the rim and hitting the midrange ... getting to HIS spots with few people I've seen contain him effectively. So yeah...

His restraint is incredible

I agree, to me he is more of a monk, maybe even a saint but thats propably overdoing it. In a room full of women he would find that one man to talk to. Such restrained basketball player, wow.

[VFX]

This is getting to meteoric levels of absurdity.

I cannot think of a player who has done less in their time in the league that has been given this much of a leash with a fan base. Fultz couldn’t have landed in a better spot than Orlando. Some of the most delusional homers on the planet.

Guy would have been traded 2-3 times if he were anywhere else.

[pepe1991]

It's not crazy to think that at all. Everyone says we need to trade or swap him so that Franz and Paolo can get a better option to help them on their drives. Haha. But you watch Fultz play .... and he's taking it to the rim and hitting the midrange ... getting to HIS spots with few people I've seen contain him effectively. So yeah...

His restraint is incredible

He's mature and one of our team leaders... he seems to play the way that the FO and Coaching Staff want to see in this team. UNSELFISH... winning basketball. I'm not all about the stats... i'm about the "W"

When any team, including college team, won with him? I'm not talking about some playoff or championships, but in general, had good record?

His college team had epic 9-22 record. His team had 3-15 record in games when he took more than 15 shots. And 6-10 record when he shot less. Matter of fact his team won 7 out of 9 games when he shot less than 13 shots.
So he for damn sure didn't add to any wins there. He was self-centric guy who averaged bunch of points on team that was bad and he took that as personal adventage to leveradge his draft stock ( opposite of Tatum & Ball who played team oriented, winning basketball)

But let's move to NBA.

Year one- played 14 games . 0 starts. Irrelevant to team record (18 mpg). Team won 52 games.
Year two- played 19 games. 15 starts. Team had identical record with or without him (62% win rate). 51 wins season. Traded to Orlando on our best season in past decade ( to this date). But played 0 games.
Year thee. Played 72 games. 33-40 record.
Year four. Played 8 games. Irrelevant to team record.
Year five. Played 18 games. Irrelevant to team record.
Year six. Played 60 games. 34-48 team record.


So agian, where execlly narative of his winning basketball comes from? Guy literally NEVER played on winning team in his life. 6 years of career + college. Only time he was part of "winning "rosters was in times when he was on their salary but didn't touch floor.

[basketballRob]

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[pepe1991]

This is getting to meteoric levels of absurdity.

I cannot think of a player who has done less in their time in the league that has been given this much of a leash with a fan base. Fultz couldn’t have landed in a better spot than Orlando. Some of the most delusional homers on the planet.

Guy would have been traded 2-3 times if he were anywhere else.

I can remind you

Spoiler:

[VFX]

This is getting to meteoric levels of absurdity.

I cannot think of a player who has done less in their time in the league that has been given this much of a leash with a fan base. Fultz couldn’t have landed in a better spot than Orlando. Some of the most delusional homers on the planet.

Guy would have been traded 2-3 times if he were anywhere else.

I can remind you

Spoiler:

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

[jonbob17]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

[Knightro]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

It only took him getting the fortune of being able to play off one of the greatest players in NBA history

[jonbob17]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

It only took him getting the fortune of being able to play off one of the greatest players in NBA history

It's a wonder Denver gave up anything for such a flawed player, or paid such a guy 4/88

[p0peye]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

[Bensational]

I don’t understand the AG snark. The guy just showed he is a championship caliber player capable of playing his role. When he was with us he wasn’t playing with anyone who was capable of playing Jokic’s role though. So yeah, I’d rather have watched AG pretend to be PG and lead us through a tank than watch Vuc pretend to be Jokic and listen to people pretend Fournier was Murray. Since they went their separate ways Vuc has ruined Chicago whilst rewarding us with their lottery picks, and Fournier can’t get off the bench in New York while AG has a ring. Oh, and DJ Augustin is out of the league.

With Fultz it’s different because we have Paolo and Franz who feel like they could legitimately rise to be upper echelon talents. Fultz isn’t AG looking to breakout behind imposter franchise players, Fultz is AG playing his role alongside a legit franchise player.

Until the limitations of Fultz (or any other player) start hurting this team, management aren’t going to see a reason to change out.

[jonbob17]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

16 Points a game on 63%TS is really valuable. Couple that with good man defense on the opponent's best wing. Seems like a pretty good ceiling. 20% usage.

I am sure Gordon could put up Kuzma like numbers on a bad team during these prime years. Whats the point? He was a big part of why Denver won the championship. Is he the 4th option...i guess. Denver may still have had a chance without MPJ...without Gordon...i dont think so....prior year they finished 6th 48-34 while missing both MPJ and Murray

Obviously Jokic is they key, i'd argue we are witnessing one of the greatest peaks in the history of the sport. He makes everybody better no doubt, but it's not like AG is just some **** player rising with the tide, he's what Denver needs.

[Bakomagic]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

It only took him getting the fortune of being able to play off one of the greatest players in NBA history

Are you talking about Vuc or Jokic?

[yoyojw17]

In year 8 it was realized.

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

16 Points a game on 63%TS is really valuable. Couple that with good man defense on the opponent's best wing. Seems like a pretty good ceiling. 20% usage.

I am sure Gordon could put up Kuzma like numbers on a bad team during these prime years. Whats the point? He was a big part of why Denver won the championship. Is he the 4th option...i guess. Denver may still have had a chance without MPJ...without Gordon...i dont think so....prior year they finished 6th 48-34 while missing both MPJ and Murray

Obviously Jokic is they key, i'd argue we are witnessing one of the greatest peaks in the history of the sport. He makes everybody better no doubt, but it's not like AG is just some **** player rising with the tide, he's what Denver needs.

Front Office and coach wanted Kawhi Leonard when he should have been playing Shawn Marion.

Denver gave him his focused role... easier to do when you have established stars and him not shooting to be THE star. lol

I remember when the trade happened i thought to myself that there couldn't be a better situation.

[VFX]

In year 8 it was realized.

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

16 Points a game on 63%TS is really valuable. Couple that with good man defense on the opponent's best wing. Seems like a pretty good ceiling. 20% usage.

I am sure Gordon could put up Kuzma like numbers on a bad team during these prime years. Whats the point? He was a big part of why Denver won the championship. Is he the 4th option...i guess. Denver may still have had a chance without MPJ...without Gordon...i dont think so....prior year they finished 6th 48-34 while missing both MPJ and Murray

Obviously Jokic is they key, i'd argue we are witnessing one of the greatest peaks in the history of the sport. He makes everybody better no doubt, but it's not like AG is just some **** player rising with the tide, he's what Denver needs.

I think some players are system guys.

By that I mean guys that are good athletes that are only truly effective when surrounded with the correct set of players and skill sets.

Gordon was never a primary or secondary option. He's at his absolute best in Denver with far less pressure and with a roster that can make plays as well as be the focal point(s) in scoring (Jokic, Murray, etc), while his athleticism shines from defenses focusing on Jokic.

To bring it full circle, Fultz is the same player. He's a guy that works in a very specific system. He needs to be paired with an extremely high volume SG and Wing, possibly also a stretch big to be effective. You cannot have a point guard that doesn't shoot 3's OR does a poor job of creating variable scoring (FT's - and +1 -etc) while not also being an otherworldly distributor.

He's good in transition and in isolation off the dribble and downhill.... thats about it.