Markelle Fultz

[pepe1991]

Talking about Aaron Gordon’s “2-way potential” for 6-7 seasons straight is up there too.

In year 8 it was realized.

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

Something we knew after 2-3 years

[J the Drafter]

Gordon has never been the greatest off the dribble creator, but driving was part of his game in that window between the summer when he expanded his post moves and isolation dribble moves and up to before his final two years or so in Orlando. I wonder if Lowry did permanent damage or something on that dumb block attempt, because it seems Gordon has barely attempted to drive past his defender since.

[MasterGMer]

So, all this time his ceiling was defensive specialist and dunker as 4th option. Sounds correct.

16 Points a game on 63%TS is really valuable. Couple that with good man defense on the opponent's best wing. Seems like a pretty good ceiling. 20% usage.

I am sure Gordon could put up Kuzma like numbers on a bad team during these prime years. Whats the point? He was a big part of why Denver won the championship. Is he the 4th option...i guess. Denver may still have had a chance without MPJ...without Gordon...i dont think so....prior year they finished 6th 48-34 while missing both MPJ and Murray

Obviously Jokic is they key, i'd argue we are witnessing one of the greatest peaks in the history of the sport. He makes everybody better no doubt, but it's not like AG is just some **** player rising with the tide, he's what Denver needs.

I think some players are system guys.

By that I mean guys that are good athletes that are only truly effective when surrounded with the correct set of players and skill sets.

Gordon was never a primary or secondary option. He's at his absolute best in Denver with far less pressure and with a roster that can make plays as well as be the focal point(s) in scoring (Jokic, Murray, etc), while his athleticism shines from defenses focusing on Jokic.

To bring it full circle, Fultz is the same player. He's a guy that works in a very specific system. He needs to be paired with an extremely high volume SG and Wing, possibly also a stretch big to be effective. You cannot have a point guard that doesn't shoot 3's OR does a poor job of creating variable scoring (FT's - and +1 -etc) while not also being an otherworldly distributor.

He's good in transition and in isolation off the dribble and downhill.... thats about it.

Let me ask you this: If Fultz is paired with a high volume SG, what is his role going to be? Primary Ball Handler? Distributor and how to distribute when the Star SG needs the ball in his hands most of the time? What is Fultz going to turn into? 3 and D PG who just dribble the ball full court?

[jonbob17]

16 Points a game on 63%TS is really valuable. Couple that with good man defense on the opponent's best wing. Seems like a pretty good ceiling. 20% usage.

I am sure Gordon could put up Kuzma like numbers on a bad team during these prime years. Whats the point? He was a big part of why Denver won the championship. Is he the 4th option...i guess. Denver may still have had a chance without MPJ...without Gordon...i dont think so....prior year they finished 6th 48-34 while missing both MPJ and Murray

Obviously Jokic is they key, i'd argue we are witnessing one of the greatest peaks in the history of the sport. He makes everybody better no doubt, but it's not like AG is just some **** player rising with the tide, he's what Denver needs.

I think some players are system guys.

By that I mean guys that are good athletes that are only truly effective when surrounded with the correct set of players and skill sets.

Gordon was never a primary or secondary option. He's at his absolute best in Denver with far less pressure and with a roster that can make plays as well as be the focal point(s) in scoring (Jokic, Murray, etc), while his athleticism shines from defenses focusing on Jokic.

To bring it full circle, Fultz is the same player. He's a guy that works in a very specific system. He needs to be paired with an extremely high volume SG and Wing, possibly also a stretch big to be effective. You cannot have a point guard that doesn't shoot 3's OR does a poor job of creating variable scoring (FT's - and +1 -etc) while not also being an otherworldly distributor.

He's good in transition and in isolation off the dribble and downhill.... thats about it.

Let me ask you this: If Fultz is paired with a high volume SG, what is his role going to be? Primary Ball Handler? Distributor and how to distribute when the Star SG needs the ball in his hands most of the time? What is Fultz going to turn into? 3 and D PG who just dribble the ball full court?

Who are the highest volume SGs, Booker, Mitchell types, Look at the guys they have had next to them, Chris Paul/Brad Beal...Garland...there's enough touches out there for everybody.

[Bensational]

We don’t need a full time high volume scorer, we just need someone who can get hot from deep and have those 7-13 shooting nights like Strus did the other night.

If we bring a high volume player in alongside Paolo and Franz that means one of them isn’t cutting it as a franchise player.

[Rainwater]

We don’t need a full time high volume scorer, we just need someone who can get hot from deep and have those 7-13 shooting nights like Strus did the other night.

If we bring a high volume player in alongside Paolo and Franz that means one of them isn’t cutting it as a franchise player.

Although a third scorer is not needed, I would prefer it honestly.

[Bensational]

We don’t need a full time high volume scorer, we just need someone who can get hot from deep and have those 7-13 shooting nights like Strus did the other night.

If we bring a high volume player in alongside Paolo and Franz that means one of them isn’t cutting it as a franchise player.

Although a third scorer is not needed, I would prefer it honestly.

Give me multiple options who could be a 3rd scorer on any given night instead of a single high volume option.

[Rainwater]

We don’t need a full time high volume scorer, we just need someone who can get hot from deep and have those 7-13 shooting nights like Strus did the other night.

If we bring a high volume player in alongside Paolo and Franz that means one of them isn’t cutting it as a franchise player.

Although a third scorer is not needed, I would prefer it honestly.

Give me multiple options who could be a 3rd scorer on any given night instead of a single high volume option.

Yeah, it's a matter of taste. I would rather have 3 consistent options and a whole bunch of role players.

[CarraT]

So, where are all the experts who said he worked on his 3P in offseason and will finally show it in games, referring to the last two games of last year? He still is the same old solid PG, who refuses to shoot 3s, airballs them, and is not going to the FT line at all. There are no miraculous fundamental improvments for 6 year veterans

[pepe1991]

So, where are all the experts who said he worked on his 3P in offseason and will finally show it in games, referring to the last two games of last year? He still is the same old solid PG, who refuses to shoot 3s, airballs them, and is not going to the FT line at all. There are no miraculous fundamental improvments for 6 year veterans

[tooler]

Clarity can be painful but ultimately helpful. Now the real problem, let’s see what the organization does with it.

[Optimus_Steel]

Everybody gains 3 inches in height, gains 20 pounds of muscle and becomes a 3pt shooter over the summer.

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[RichCollab]

Fultz is fine. Nothing impressive but defense has been solid, calming presence, can go get a basket if something isn’t there, and 6 assists and 1 TO in 25 minutes.

[RichCollab]

3pt shooting not showing much growth yet and maybe never at this point. Franz and Paolo need to take over the teams leadership role and Fultz won’t be as important as he is now.

[Orlando Dawg]

Changing to the military grade haircut has made the haircuts of all the players around him better and that’s the kind of leader that this team needs.

[Rainwater]

I truly don't think he will be here next season. Unless he takes a reduced contract, there are just too many signs. Lack of improvement from 3, he hasn't been resigned, they drafted Black, too many guards as it is, they resigned Cole and it seems like he is now eating into Fultz's mins. I just don't see the point of resigning Fultz when the magic can get the same production from someone else who better fits at a cheaper price.

[Rainwater]

Fultz is fine. Nothing impressive but defense has been solid, calming presence, can go get a basket if something isn’t there, and 6 assists and 1 TO in 25 minutes.

There is nothing wrong with Fultz he just serves no purpose on this current team. Replace him with a shooter.

[eyriq]

I truly don't think he will be here next season. Unless he takes a reduced contract, there are just too many signs. Lack of improvement from 3, he hasn't been resigned, they drafted Black, too many guards as it is, they resigned Cole and it seems like he is now eating into Fultz's mins. I just don't see the point of resigning Fultz when the magic can get the same production from someone else who better fits at a cheaper price.

You've convinced me! But I'll take any narrative that points to Fultz being out of here.

[thelead]

I truly don't think he will be here next season. Unless he takes a reduced contract, there are just too many signs. Lack of improvement from 3, he hasn't been resigned, they drafted Black, too many guards as it is, they resigned Cole and it seems like he is now eating into Fultz's mins. I just don't see the point of resigning Fultz when the magic can get the same production from someone else who better fits at a cheaper price.

You've convinced me! But I'll take any narrative that points to Fultz being out of here.

Reduced contract is definitely happening regardless of where he signs if what we’re seeing is the finished product. I’d like to see about ~13-18 more games before I decide where I’m at with him. His defense and composure running the offense is needed but we need that 3 pointer to really show up.

[Rainwater]

I truly don't think he will be here next season. Unless he takes a reduced contract, there are just too many signs. Lack of improvement from 3, he hasn't been resigned, they drafted Black, too many guards as it is, they resigned Cole and it seems like he is now eating into Fultz's mins. I just don't see the point of resigning Fultz when the magic can get the same production from someone else who better fits at a cheaper price.

You've convinced me! But I'll take any narrative that points to Fultz being out of here.

Reduced contract is definitely happening regardless of where he signs if what we’re seeing is the finished product. I’d like to see about ~13-18 more games before I decide where I’m at with him. His defense and composure running the offense is needed but we need that 3 pointer to really show up.

Defense and composure can be found and taught on the current team. Suggs or Black can grow into that role. I just don't see the point of resigning Fultz.