Is Moses Moody an NBA caliber player? HE PULLED A MAGIC TRICK, HES NOT AN NBA PLAYER!!! HES A CHINA LEVEL PLAYER!!!

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

NBA caliber now.
He was not NBA caliber a year ago so we needed Ty Jerome and Lamb.

[watch1958]

I wonder where Kerr is on this issue after preseason.

Kerr is developing both Moody and Kuminga to perfection and after his handling of Looney, molding him into the ideal C for his system, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Kerr teaches exactly what a player needs to do to consistently contribute to winning and he insists on his players embracing that teaching or they don't play, regardless of their talent or relative lack thereof.

That fact still flies over the head of some posters on this board. They assume he's holding our young players back when in fact he's providing them the chance to make substantive improvements. Those that doubt Kerr might as well become Wizards fans because Poole is the embodiment of everything Kerr won't tolerate and doesn't win championships.

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

[Jerry Maine]

I wonder where Kerr is on this issue after preseason.

Kerr is developing both Moody and Kuminga to perfection and after his handling of Looney, molding him into the ideal C for his system, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Kerr teaches exactly what a player needs to do to consistently contribute to winning and he insists on his players embracing that teaching or they don't play, regardless of their talent or relative lack thereof.

That fact still flies over the head of some posters on this board. They assume he's holding our young players back when in fact he's providing them the chance to make substantive improvements. Those that doubt Kerr might as well become Wizards fans because Poole is the embodiment of everything Kerr won't tolerate and doesn't win championships.

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

[watch1958]

Kerr is developing both Moody and Kuminga to perfection and after his handling of Looney, molding him into the ideal C for his system, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Kerr teaches exactly what a player needs to do to consistently contribute to winning and he insists on his players embracing that teaching or they don't play, regardless of their talent or relative lack thereof.

That fact still flies over the head of some posters on this board. They assume he's holding our young players back when in fact he's providing them the chance to make substantive improvements. Those that doubt Kerr might as well become Wizards fans because Poole is the embodiment of everything Kerr won't tolerate and doesn't win championships.

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

I agree that Poole developed.

I just found the post I was responding to ironic. In essence it was saying that if you don’t like how Kerr develops players, you should go watch Poole….who Kerr developed.

[CDM_Stats]

Kerr is developing both Moody and Kuminga to perfection and after his handling of Looney, molding him into the ideal C for his system, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Kerr teaches exactly what a player needs to do to consistently contribute to winning and he insists on his players embracing that teaching or they don't play, regardless of their talent or relative lack thereof.

That fact still flies over the head of some posters on this board. They assume he's holding our young players back when in fact he's providing them the chance to make substantive improvements. Those that doubt Kerr might as well become Wizards fans because Poole is the embodiment of everything Kerr won't tolerate and doesn't win championships.

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

Just bc I'm curious - what did Poole exactly develop? Because this is who he was at UM (to a T), this is what he was the year prior, and this is what he was his 2nd year.. more opportunities and more counting stats doesnt mean development

Because if from year 2 to year 3 is considered development (which to me is raising the floor of a player's impact)... wouldnt year 3 to year 4 be a huge regression? Would you rather have year 2 Poole or year 4 Poole?

[michaelm]

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

Just bc I'm curious - what did Poole exactly develop? Because this is who he was at UM (to a T), this is what he was the year prior, and this is what he was his 2nd year.. more opportunities and more counting stats doesnt mean development

Because if from year 2 to year 3 is considered development (which to me is raising the floor of a player's impact)... wouldnt year 3 to year 4 be a huge regression? Would you rather have year 2 Poole or year 4 Poole?

Basically he shot much better in the title year which may have been random variation which the coming season may elucidate. I guess he integrated into the team better as well and his experience in the G league seemed to benefit him.

If he is a conscienceless chucker who plays no defense long term then Kerr doesn't deserve much credit I guess.

[CDM_Stats]

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

Just bc I'm curious - what did Poole exactly develop? Because this is who he was at UM (to a T), this is what he was the year prior, and this is what he was his 2nd year.. more opportunities and more counting stats doesnt mean development

Because if from year 2 to year 3 is considered development (which to me is raising the floor of a player's impact)... wouldnt year 3 to year 4 be a huge regression? Would you rather have year 2 Poole or year 4 Poole?

Basically he shot much better in the title year which may have been random variation which the coming season may elucidate. I guess he integrated into the team better as well and his experience in the G league seemed to benefit him.

If he is a conscienceless chucker who plays no defense long term then Kerr doesn't deserve much credit I guess.

Only asking because if you flatten the minutes on his last 3 seasons, they are eerily similar with a small jump (10-15 pts in TS) in efficiency in his 3rd year. But going deeper than that, his peripherals have actually been in decline since year 2.. which isnt uncommon for someone in a role jump, going from definite backup guard to 5th/6th man. Usually if the peripherals stay static, that's a great thing so the small decline from yr 2 to yr 3 was nothing to really worry about. However when the peripherals really bottomed out in year 4, it was catastrophic

So I dont think he developed, I think the Warriors finally realized what they had in year 2 (remember when he was on ice for Brad **** Wanamaker?) and then overcorrected, culminating in him getting punched and then extended.. its why I'm preaching caution on Kuminga as well, who's peripherals are so eerily similar for his position/role. If we start earmarking these kinds of guys for major roles, it better be because they are fitting well in the system, not scoring well in spite of it

[GQ Hot Dog]

Same Kerr that developed Poole for four years?

Poole developed under Kerr to the point he narrowly missed out on MIP, contributed to a chip, and got a bag of money after early struggles. He was traded after regressing last year due to numerous reasons. But he most certainly developed under Kerr

I agree that Poole developed.

I just found the post I was responding to ironic. In essence it was saying that if you don’t like how Kerr develops players, you should go watch Poole….who Kerr developed.

But Poole lost interest in Kerr's lessons after the championship.

Two seasons ago he played with real hustle on the defensive end even if he lacked the talent to be a difference maker on defense. He went from -0.3 DBPM/-0.55 DRPM in 2021-22, down to -1.8 DBPM/-2.61 DRPM in 2022-23.

So I don't see the irony. In fact, that he went from a team first guy to a me first guy in one off season and then got his ass traded seems totally consistent with my point.

Then there are his recent comments: “Playing the game I love at the highest level, my family is taken care of, my basketball legacy is taken care of with the ring. This is probably the first time in my life I’ll play basketball with no pressure...”
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/10/19/23922747/jordan-poole-washington-wizards-2023-nba-season-draymond-green-warriors

Does that sound like a guy willing to do the hard work Kerr demands, to play the right way(Kerr's way) and do whatever it takes to win championships? Seems to me Poole's time with the Warriors proves my point in the negative.

[wco81]

The Punch may have waylaid Poole's trajectory for last season.

[michaelm]

Just bc I'm curious - what did Poole exactly develop? Because this is who he was at UM (to a T), this is what he was the year prior, and this is what he was his 2nd year.. more opportunities and more counting stats doesnt mean development

Because if from year 2 to year 3 is considered development (which to me is raising the floor of a player's impact)... wouldnt year 3 to year 4 be a huge regression? Would you rather have year 2 Poole or year 4 Poole?

Basically he shot much better in the title year which may have been random variation which the coming season may elucidate. I guess he integrated into the team better as well and his experience in the G league seemed to benefit him.

If he is a conscienceless chucker who plays no defense long term then Kerr doesn't deserve much credit I guess.

Only asking because if you flatten the minutes on his last 3 seasons, they are eerily similar with a small jump (10-15 pts in TS) in efficiency in his 3rd year. But going deeper than that, his peripherals have actually been in decline since year 2.. which isnt uncommon for someone in a role jump, going from definite backup guard to 5th/6th man. Usually if the peripherals stay static, that's a great thing so the small decline from yr 2 to yr 3 was nothing to really worry about. However when the peripherals really bottomed out in year 4, it was catastrophic

So I dont think he developed, I think the Warriors finally realized what they had in year 2 (remember when he was on ice for Brad **** Wanamaker?) and then overcorrected, culminating in him getting punched and then extended.. its why I'm preaching caution on Kuminga as well, who's peripherals are so eerily similar for his position/role. If we start earmarking these kinds of guys for major roles, it better be because they are fitting well in the system, not scoring well in spite of it

Yes, I basically agree. In the title year he was a useful 6th man. He sees himself as a superstar however, and an attitude problem likely preceded “the punch” while not justifying it of course.

As someone said on the General Board the Wizards players will discover he is hardly a pass first guy, he was happy to take shots in preference to Curry,

[michaelm]

Just bc I'm curious - what did Poole exactly develop? Because this is who he was at UM (to a T), this is what he was the year prior, and this is what he was his 2nd year.. more opportunities and more counting stats doesnt mean development

Because if from year 2 to year 3 is considered development (which to me is raising the floor of a player's impact)... wouldnt year 3 to year 4 be a huge regression? Would you rather have year 2 Poole or year 4 Poole?

Basically he shot much better in the title year which may have been random variation which the coming season may elucidate. I guess he integrated into the team better as well and his experience in the G league seemed to benefit him.

If he is a conscienceless chucker who plays no defense long term then Kerr doesn't deserve much credit I guess.

Only asking because if you flatten the minutes on his last 3 seasons, they are eerily similar with a small jump (10-15 pts in TS) in efficiency in his 3rd year. But going deeper than that, his peripherals have actually been in decline since year 2.. which isnt uncommon for someone in a role jump, going from definite backup guard to 5th/6th man. Usually if the peripherals stay static, that's a great thing so the small decline from yr 2 to yr 3 was nothing to really worry about. However when the peripherals really bottomed out in year 4, it was catastrophic

So I dont think he developed, I think the Warriors finally realized what they had in year 2 (remember when he was on ice for Brad **** Wanamaker?) and then overcorrected, culminating in him getting punched and then extended.. its why I'm preaching caution on Kuminga as well, who's peripherals are so eerily similar for his position/role. If we start earmarking these kinds of guys for major roles, it better be because they are fitting well in the system, not scoring well in spite of it

Yes, I basically agree. In the title year he was a useful 6th man. He sees himself as a superstar however, and an attitude problem likely preceded “the punch” while not justifying it of course.

As someone said on the General Board the Wizards players will discover he is hardly a pass first guy, he was happy to take shots in preference to Curry,

[watch1958]

I think that fraud Moody is getting exposed. Two games, 39 minutes, 21 points, 72/57, 6 rebounds, 6 steals.

A few more games like that and they will have to pay to do a salary dump.

[a8bil]

Apparently...yes.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

This is an old thread. Last fall Moody was not as good as Lamb and Jerome. Now Moody looks better than Lamb and Jerome.

Last Year fans were too high on Moody because they had hopes for Moody. Moody was still getting irrational rookie love. We always overrate our rookies.

Last year I was saying that if Moody did not improve his 3rd year in the NBA would be his last year in the NBA. Moody improved. He won’t be bounced out of the NBA and looks like he can be a useful 8th man in a playoff rotation next spring.

Yay Moody.
A big 3rd improvement is not a surprise but he needed that improvement.

[Swift21]

This is an old thread. Last fall Moody was not as good as Lamb and Jerome. Now Moody looks better than Lamb and Jerome.

Last Year fans were too high on Moody because they had hopes for Moody. Moody was still getting irrational rookie love. We always overrate our rookies.

Last year I was saying that if Moody did not improve his 3rd year in the NBA would be his last year in the NBA. Moody improved. He won’t be bounced out of the NBA and looks like he can be a useful 8th man in a playoff rotation next spring.

Yay Moody.
A big 3rd improvement is not a surprise but he needed that improvement.

That was far fetched then and now.

[watch1958]

Based on last night, apparently he is not good enough to close games no matter what!

[GQ Hot Dog]

I'm impressed a poll on a team board got 59 votes.

[wco81]

Here's why Moody isn't ready to replace Klay.

He gets the ball and a lot of times doesn't shoot or doesn't attack the closeout. A lot of those shots Klay would get off. Maybe contested but still would get a shot.

Maybe too worried about missing unless it's a real open look but I don't think that's his game anyways, the knockdown sniper who can gun in rhythm off the catch. In college I believe he created a lot for himself and got himself to the line the one year he played. So he didn't come in to the league to be someone who could take Klay's role.

So he should be better on defense right, with his wingspan and youth? OKC were hunting him and they scored at least 3 layups on him. If he can stay in front of very good NBA ball handlers better than Kuminga or even Klay at his age, I'm not seeing evidence of it. He's certainly hasn't learned to use that wingspan to make up for his lack of foot speed.

Klay not only better shooter, still at this stage in his career, but has more varied ways to score. For instance, he posted about 12 feet out and shot over smaller defenders for at least 2 baskets.

Moses will sometimes slash to the basket and use his length to get a layup in before the defense reacts. He's probably shooting better at the rim than Klay but on a small sample set.

If he's going to position outside the arc and he gets a crisp pass, he has to shoot it or attack the closeout. Too many times he's doing neither.

[EvanZ]

He gets taken out when he misses 3 shots in a row. Which means if he misses even one shot it’s already in his head. Meanwhile Klay can go 0-10 and close out games.


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[wco81]

Rooting for Moses to make a more consistent contribution.

But it must again be pointed out that the Warriors could have drafted Trey Murphy instead.

Murphy scored 28 points in 28 minutes.

He just came back recently from meniscus tear. IN that brief sample size, the Pelicans are +18 with him on.

Much higher for instance than they are with Zion on.

Mismatch podcast alluded to his defensive metrics being good. Or at least much better than some of the more high-usage guys on the Pelicans.

In 9 games he's 51/43.1/85.7, averaging 16.3 PPG.


Maybe Murphy doesn't have the 7-feet wingspan that Moody has? Also he's lighter than Moody despite being 3-4 inches taller so maybe the fear was that he could be overpowered more?

Oh, Murphy is almost 2 years older than Moody.

Don't tell me that's how they decided on Moody over Murphy.