NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

Stribor · Post #161 » by **Stribor** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:15 am

Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

_NoMas · Post #162 » by **_NoMas** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:48 am

Derrick White MVP season loading… in all seriousness though, ESPN not ranking him in the top 100 tells you all you need to know about that list

boogiezen · Post #163 » by **boogiezen** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:30 am

Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

The Spurs home was not at home.

Anyway, it's too early. But the two games Dallas won so far this season, they would have lost last year. Coaching is STILL the problem for the Mavs. So...

ROballer · Post #164 » by **ROballer** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:22 am

Some don't know how the MVP actually works. Namely those mentioning Tatum and Lillard/Giannis, Booker/Durant.

It would take both the Celtics and Bucks winning close to 70 games to offset the mindset of voters about the depth advantages on those certain teams.

There will be a small gap between Lillard/Giannis and Durant/Booker and Tatum who will have two other 20+ ppg on his team and with Holiday/White on top of that.

MVP means record and statistics and a ton of guys will have that. Then it gets to the real tiebreaker, who will do more with less.
Jokic, Embiid and Giannis have won it because even though each had talent on their team, they were absolutely light years ahead of the 2nd best player on their teams as 'the man'. Nobody mentioned above has that argument.

Jokic/Doncic/SGA are the top 3 favorites IMO. I'm gonna throw a name not mentioned here but who will finish top 10 if not top 5 barring injuries, it's Haliburton. Pacers were already a top 6 seed in the ECF last year before he hurt his knee and are tons better and ready to win a bunch of games this year. The East is wide open IMO after the Celtics/Bucks, there are a bunch of teams who can finish as the 3rd seed including the Pacers, even if that might seem an unpopular opinion as of right now.

QPR · Post #165 » by **QPR** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:13 pm

_NoMas wrote:Derrick White MVP season loading… in all seriousness though, ESPN not ranking him in the top 100 tells you all you need to know about that list

Yeah I definitely read it and my first thought was, how is Derrick White not on this list

rk2023 · Post #166 » by **rk2023** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:27 pm

"I will not overreact to two games of Luka tearing it up

I will not overreact to two games of Luka tearing it up

I will not overreact to two games of Luka tearing it up

I will not overreact to two games of Luka tearing it up

I will not overreact to two games of Luka tearing it up "

- Bart Simpson

Statlanta · Post #167 » by **Statlanta** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:33 pm

The problem with Doncic’s MVP race is actually Irving’s NBA credibility. Just based on Kenyon Martin’s comments I bet most players still respect him and will treat him as a second star even if he performs at or below Jalen Brunson level. If the Mavericks are a 6th seed or below Doncic will not get the votes.

greekbuck34 · Post #168 » by **greekbuck34** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:38 pm

Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

Wolfgang630 · Post #169 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:26 pm

Booker might miss 2 games. He’s already on his way to miss too many games the way things are going and he has Durant.

cpower · Post #170 » by **cpower** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:19 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

looks like everyone just underrate Steph again, i think he has a outside shot

Big J · Post #171 » by **Big J** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:34 am

This is Luka by a country mile. It's an embarrassment that he isn't leading the poll at this point.

Funcrusher · Post #172 » by **Funcrusher** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:59 am

Big J wrote:This is Luka by a country mile. It's an embarrassment that he isn't leading the poll at this point.

The season literally just started :-?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #173 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:10 am

Big J wrote:This is Luka by a country mile. It's an embarrassment that he isn't leading the poll at this point.

You realized this poll was created October 7? Like there is a poster earlier blasting Giannis voters since the bucks would have to win 70 games and a lot people voted before the trade. Not everyone updates their pick daily and instead pick once and leave it.

One_and_Done · Post #174 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:28 am

It might be Luka's year. I could see Jokic, Curry or KD getting it too. Giannis has too much help probably, Tatum certainly does and is worse than these guys anyway.

Johnny Firpo · Post #175 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:12 am

cpower wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

looks like everyone just underrate Steph again, i think he has a outside shot

He would beat Malone's record as the oldest MVP ever at 36. "Outside shot" might be generous, since it would be unprecedented.

Stribor · Post #176 » by **Stribor** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:20 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

It would if they would be top 3-4 I just do not see them that high. Play-in seems as most probable place ...

NBA4Lyfe · Post #177 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:06 pm

cpower wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
Stribor wrote:Love Luka but he will not be MVP. Dallas won two times at home against teams which are not really projeced to be playoff teams, both in a thrilling finnish. Dallas will be much to low for Luka to be considered as legitimate option. I can see them in Play in.

That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

looks like everyone just underrate Steph again, i think he has a outside shot

Stephen curry only has a shot because the nba voters are biased towards him every year. If it was basketball reference choosing the mvp he wouldn’t be close to Luka

WarriorGM · Post #178 » by **WarriorGM** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:36 pm

NBA4Lyfe wrote:
cpower wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
That's actually works in favour of the MVP award. Dallas has by far the most clutch games the last couple of years mainly because their offense relies heavely on Luka and the Mavs streaky 3p shooting and/or their defense is mediocre at best. If Luka wins most of those games this season unlike the past ones he will have too many MVP moments for his narrative to not win it with a top 3 seed.

In the East Embiid won't win a b2b. Giannis still has MVP fatique and Lillard to cancel him out and Tatum has the most stacked roster in the league.
In the West Jokic still has MVP fatique and now a proven championship level roster to damage his overpowered advanced stats. Durant and Booker cancel eachother out and I simply don't think OKC can finish as a top 3-4 seed for Shai to win it with lesser MVP stats.

looks like everyone just underrate Steph again, i think he has a outside shot

Stephen curry only has a shot because the nba voters are biased towards him every year. If it was basketball reference choosing the mvp he wouldn’t be close to Luka

What is Luka's advantage? Last year the Warriors went further than the Mavericks. Ditto the year before when the Warriors won the championship taking out the Mavericks along the way. That year Steph and Luka missed about the same number of games—and the Mavericks had a better record without Luka than the Warriors did without Steph.

Cubbies2120 · Post #179 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:03 pm

Big J wrote:This is Luka by a country mile. It's an embarrassment that he isn't leading the poll at this point.

Are you expecting people to change votes after every game played by the candidates? :lol:

NBA4Lyfe · Post #180 » by **NBA4Lyfe** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:30 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:
cpower wrote:looks like everyone just underrate Steph again, i think he has a outside shot

Stephen curry only has a shot because the nba voters are biased towards him every year. If it was basketball reference choosing the mvp he wouldn’t be close to Luka

What is Luka's advantage? Last year the Warriors went further than the Mavericks. Ditto the year before when the Warriors won the championship taking out the Mavericks along the way. That year Steph and Luka missed about the same number of games—and the Mavericks had a better record without Luka than the Warriors did without Steph.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

Like I said curry will have a shot simply because he well liked by all the nba voters

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