Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[MiamiSPX]

15 assists thru 2 games is nice.
11 turnovers is less nice

Gotta clean it up but encouraging start to the year

11 turnovers in 2 games is superstar stuff. We're talking Luka and Prime Westbrook type of stuff.

In all seriousness, I'm sure those turnovers will come down a bit but I still expect him to finish the season averaging close to 4 TO per game. He loves to play a superfast brand of basketball.

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

[will]

15 assists thru 2 games is nice.
11 turnovers is less nice

Gotta clean it up but encouraging start to the year

11 turnovers in 2 games is superstar stuff. We're talking Luka and Prime Westbrook type of stuff.

In all seriousness, I'm sure those turnovers will come down a bit but I still expect him to finish the season averaging close to 4 TO per game. He loves to play a superfast brand of basketball.

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

When you got the ball in your hands often (pause), turnovers are going to happen.

[Los_29]

4+ turnovers is more than okay for superstars like Luka, prime Harden etc. It's not okay for guys like Scottie. But I think Scottie will start to make better decisions with the ball as he gets more comfortable with the increased usage.

[will]

Scottish demanding the rock is going to be great. It's going to happen, and when it happens, look out, goddammit.

[YogurtProducer]

15 assists thru 2 games is nice.
11 turnovers is less nice

Gotta clean it up but encouraging start to the year

11 turnovers in 2 games is superstar stuff. We're talking Luka and Prime Westbrook type of stuff.

In all seriousness, I'm sure those turnovers will come down a bit but I still expect him to finish the season averaging close to 4 TO per game. He loves to play a superfast brand of basketball.

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

Kobe was also one of the GOAT scorers.

[Chandan]

11 turnovers in 2 games is superstar stuff. We're talking Luka and Prime Westbrook type of stuff.

In all seriousness, I'm sure those turnovers will come down a bit but I still expect him to finish the season averaging close to 4 TO per game. He loves to play a superfast brand of basketball.

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

When you got the ball in your hands often (pause), turnovers are going to happen.

exactly, this is how it should have been last season. I rather have him get used to handling pressure instead of "building a winning culture"

[tdotrep2]

Scottish demanding the rock is going to be great. It's going to happen, and when it happens, look out, goddammit.

he starting too, and he's getting pissed when he dont get it. im willing to wager theres gonna be some thad young 2.0 action this season

[will]

Scottish demanding the rock is going to be great. It's going to happen, and when it happens, look out, goddammit.

he starting too, and he's getting pissed when he dont get it. im willing to wager theres gonna be some thad young 2.0 action this season

Need to send DAD Young to the old folks home.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie has a lot of maturing to do.

Brain farts and body language need to be ironed out if he wants to take a leadership role on the team.

[pingpongrac]

15 assists thru 2 games is nice.
11 turnovers is less nice

Gotta clean it up but encouraging start to the year

11 turnovers in 2 games is superstar stuff. We're talking Luka and Prime Westbrook type of stuff.

Ya, top players turn the ball over... maybe our posters are not use to that. More usage and passing that tends to happen.. He'll get use to it.. whatever

Top players also have significantly higher usage rates and score much more. Like Luka putting up 30+ points and ~10 assists on 35-40 USG% with 4-5 turnovers is not the same as Scottie putting up 20 points and 8-10 assists on 25 USG% with 7 turnovers lol.

I love what I've seen from Scottie so far through pre-season and these first 2 games though. The difference in his shot mechanics and aggressiveness are night and day compared to last season while his team defence has taken another step in the right direction to making him an extremely impactful defender when used correctly. He looks primed for an absolutely monstrous season. I was hoping for 18/7/6 type numbers with slightly improved efficiency and defence, but he could realistically flirt with a 20-point triple-double every night while being a defensive force. He just needs to clean up those turnovers and continue to make better decisions late in the game. It might be ugly (turnover-wise) for a while, but I can more than live with it if he's going to continue to impress in every other aspect.

[tsherkin]

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

No he didn't.

Not once did he lead the league in total turnovers or turnovers per game. And he only averaged 4+ tpg twice in his career, and one of those was during his 6-game Achilles injury season.

That aside, we're two games in, so I wouldn't worry too much about Scottie's turnovers. Or the crap scoring efficiency from game 1. Or the excellent efficiency from this past game. Or his FTr, or his 3pt shooting. Because it's two games into the season, and nothing really matters yet. He looks aggressive, that's a nice start. We're trying something with him, and the team isn't particularly amazing around him, either, so success and specific stats will vary. We'll see where it goes across a real sample.

[ATLTimekeeper]

He responded to that first half benching by taking over the game. It's a shame he couldn't finish it off because that was the first game in his career where he was the most dominant force on the floor in all aspects. Loved the confidence to take late game jumpers. And I've noticed that he and Dennis have really good chemistry early.

[Zeno]

Scottie has looked sensational regardless of a few sensationally bad plays. There is no reason to be down on him at all. The very tough situation the Raptors are in is that we have a GM that refuses to "lose" a trade and a fringe all-nba guy that we are in the process of devaluing in a contract year because Scottie is taking up his space in the offence. OG's value is at least being maximized. If the plan is to trade Pascal and pump up his value, it is a very difficult pathway to doing that and develop Scottie fully. I know it easy to crap on Pascal right now but I really do feel bad for him right now.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Scottie has looked sensational regardless of a few sensationally bad plays. There is no reason to be down on him at all. The very tough situation the Raptors are in is that we have a GM that refuses to "lose" a trade and a fringe all-nba guy that we are in the process of devaluing in a contract year because Scottie is taking up his space in the offence. OG's value is at least being maximized. If the plan is to trade Pascal and pump up his value, it is a very difficult pathway to doing that and develop Scottie fully. I know it easy to crap on Pascal right now but I really do feel bad for him right now.

Darko let us get down by 20 before allowing Siakam to go iso to break the run. It shouldn't be too long before the wheels come off.

[Zeno]

Scottie has looked sensational regardless of a few sensationally bad plays. There is no reason to be down on him at all. The very tough situation the Raptors are in is that we have a GM that refuses to "lose" a trade and a fringe all-nba guy that we are in the process of devaluing in a contract year because Scottie is taking up his space in the offence. OG's value is at least being maximized. If the plan is to trade Pascal and pump up his value, it is a very difficult pathway to doing that and develop Scottie fully. I know it easy to crap on Pascal right now but I really do feel bad for him right now.

Darko let us get down by 20 before allowing Siakam to go iso to break the run. It shouldn't be too long before the wheels come off.

Yeah a lot of Ls for almost everyone outside of OG and maybe Jak. We lost those two guys and it killed us. But Darko is definately making a mistake not encouraging Pascal to take that mid range shot, especially when droughts occur. The whole thing they are trying to do here is unbelievably tricky and is almost certainly guaranteed to fail in some of it's objectives. We will not maximize Pascal's value and Scottie's development, install a ball movement offense and win at the same time. If they do, Darko is 100% coach of the year if not decade.

[Airmiess]

You can tell who are the spring chicken fans who are unfamiliar with watching young players develop.. losing their minds over high turnovers, It comes with the territory.
The only reason it matters because Siakam is on the team, which gives the illusion that theyre playing for something this season.

[Raps in 4]

Scottie has looked great in these first two games. The team is obviously trash, but that's not why I'm watching the Raptors this year. I'm excited to see more Scottie, and less Schroder.

[Raps in 4]

4+ turnovers is more than okay for superstars like Luka, prime Harden etc. It's not okay for guys like Scottie. But I think Scottie will start to make better decisions with the ball as he gets more comfortable with the increased usage.

It's not about being a superstar. Guys who pass a lot will have a lot of turnovers. Scottie needs to get his TOVs down a bit (he makes unnecessarily risky passes sometimes), but he'll always be on the high end.

[MiamiSPX]

Kobe led the league in turnovers multiple times....

No he didn't.

Not once did he lead the league in total turnovers or turnovers per game. And he only averaged 4+ tpg twice in his career, and one of those was during his 6-game Achilles injury season.

I could have sworn I had heard that more than once, my bad. Nevertheless, now that I actually looked at the turnover leaders it IS almost always guys with the ball in their hands a lot. Steve Nash led the league a couple of times and was usually in the top 5. LeBron, Harden, Durant in the top 5 many, many times. It's pretty standard for ball handlers to have a higher turnover rate. It's the least of my worries with him. The stupid fouls bothered me way more.

[Tha Cynic]

Scottie has looked sensational regardless of a few sensationally bad plays. There is no reason to be down on him at all. The very tough situation the Raptors are in is that we have a GM that refuses to "lose" a trade and a fringe all-nba guy that we are in the process of devaluing in a contract year because Scottie is taking up his space in the offence. OG's value is at least being maximized. If the plan is to trade Pascal and pump up his value, it is a very difficult pathway to doing that and develop Scottie fully. I know it easy to crap on Pascal right now but I really do feel bad for him right now.

Darko let us get down by 20 before allowing Siakam to go iso to break the run. It shouldn't be too long before the wheels come off.

Yeah a lot of Ls for almost everyone outside of OG and maybe Jak. We lost those two guys and it killed us. But Darko is definately making a mistake not encouraging Pascal to take that mid range shot, especially when droughts occur. The whole thing they are trying to do here is unbelievably tricky and is almost certainly guaranteed to fail in some of it's objectives. We will not maximize Pascal's value and Scottie's development, install a ball movement offense and win at the same time. If they do, Darko is 100% coach of the year if not decade.

The Toronto Raptors should not be operating with this inside or 3 only philosophy. Their best players need to operate in the midrange. They're already changing it a bit, so let's hope Darko can fully adjust. Siakam needs the ball at the elbows. He shouldn't be asked to creat from the wings.