Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[mjkvol]

The Bulls are the favorites to land James Harden if he’s not traded to the Clippers, per bovada

Zach lavine looks awful this season and has a multi year max deal with constant injuries. If I’m Morey Derozan is the guy I’m after. Will be an expiring deal and is a more consistent player.

Derozan, compete for a year.
Roll the dice in next year’s FA.

Need a guy who can take the ball out of Biid’s hands and make the whole team less TO prone with more ball movement.

DeRozan has been the perfect Harden target from the point this whole mess started. Expiring contract, good guy, rock solid player who can play on or off the ball, and a legit 'closer' who will take the big shots.

Hell, he's a guy I'd love to bring back on a reasonable deal after this season.

[the_process]

Chicago actually would be a great trade partner when you think about it:

1. They have a generic allstar to exchange for optics purposes (DeRozan) that is cheap and expiring.

2. They have useful vets that work as Tatum/Brown defenders in Patrick Williams and Torrey Craig.

3. They have a young, athletic wing we can develop for down the line (Dalen Terry or Julian Phillips).

DeRozan, Williams, Craig, and Phillips for Harden and Korkmaz works.

Bulls aren't doing that.

[76ciology]

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[the_process]

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Clippers fans insist Westbrook is good, however.

Not that I blame Westbrook for shooting that with the clock running out, though.

[Negrodamus]

Chicago actually would be a great trade partner when you think about it:

1. They have a generic allstar to exchange for optics purposes (DeRozan) that is cheap and expiring.

2. They have useful vets that work as Tatum/Brown defenders in Patrick Williams and Torrey Craig.

3. They have a young, athletic wing we can develop for down the line (Dalen Terry or Julian Phillips).

DeRozan, Williams, Craig, and Phillips for Harden and Korkmaz works.

Yea, it’s kinda weird how a lot of people on here don’t see it this way. No one is looking to rebuild and stockpile picks right now, so DeRozan, an actual SF with some juice left, would make the most sense. Doubt we can get all that though for harden.

[youngcrev]

I hate Westbrook as much as the next guy, but he got an offensive rebound with time running out and put a shot up. If we're playing the film review game, sure, he could have kicked out to Batum for a far better look and a chance to win the game. In the moment I don't know that you can expect him to have the recognition that he has enough time to kick it out for that look though.

[Arsenal]

I've been reading the Clips forum, and there's a prevailing sentiment that they don't need Harden. I also share the opinion that we don't need Harden.

However, watching this Clips game has made me appreciate Harden's value.

The Clips have a roster filled with great shotmakers such as Hyland, Powell, George, and Kawhi. But they lack a playmaker who can create open opportunities and distribute the ball when those shots aren't falling.

In that Bucks game, we had players like Tobi shooting 8-9, Oubre with 27 points on a 106% true shooting percentage, and Maxey dropping 30 with high efficiency. But what do we do when the shots aren't falling? Do we give it to Embiid and rely on him to create for others? That would exhaust him, and it's been the strategy opponents have employed against him for years.

Clips lose 1pt against the Jazz. Wouldnt have been close if not for that BS call by refs on Dunn.

We shoot just root for Clips to be mid. Not that good and not that bad. Just be in a position that Harden would put them on top.

Plus an injury to one of their stars wouldn't hurt. No, I'm not rooting for injuries you nancies. I'm just saying when it inevitably happens the Clips may decide Soften is the answer.

[76ciology]

I want to see more from Paul Reed. I dont see a guy who worked hard in his game in the offseason. That shot also looks off.

[76ciology]

I think Jonathan Isaac would be a good fit on our team. He sounds to be healthy and is undervalued by the Magic.

If he’s given minutes and with good health, he’s right there with guys like OG and Siakam in terms of value.

Currently, I dont find we’re missing anything from the absence of Harden. I find Maxey can replace him while Tobi or Oubre can fill the 3rd option role. But I still think we need to solve this size issue at the 4 with Biid and back-up 5. Reed and Bamba ain’t it.

[Negrodamus]

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I know the response will be that he’ll lose all his powers in the playoffs, but the difference between Harden and DeRozan is that James can hit tough contested 3s and is a superior passer, but DeRozan doesn’t need the ball in his hands all of the time and he can actually finish in traffic, create legitimate contact and get legitimate foul calls. When the playoffs come, flailing doesn’t get the whistle; we literally just watched Embiid and Harden fail at doing so. I think it’ll still be the Maxey show for most of the game, but crunch time will go to DeRozan and I honestly feel better with that type of end of game offense than spamming PnRs with Harden and praying he hits a few step back contested 3s that would be a horrendous shot for the other 99% of the league.

[the_process]

I think Jonathan Isaac would be a good fit on our team. He sounds to be healthy and is undervalued by the Magic.

If he’s given minutes and with good health, he’s right there with guys like OG and Siakam in terms of value.

Currently, I dont find we’re missing anything from the absence of Harden. I find Maxey can replace him while Tobi or Oubre can fill the 3rd option role. But I still think we need to solve this size issue at the 4 with Biid and back-up 5. Reed and Bamba ain’t it.

Wonder if the Magic would consider Harden for Fultz and Isaac?

Speaking of the Magic, all in on Franz and all out on Banchero.

[phillynative]

I want to see more from Paul Reed. I dont see a guy who worked hard in his game in the offseason. That shot also looks off.

Yea I'm not seeing what the hype is about. Most tweeners who impact the game are either good scorers, good defenders, explosive , overwhelmingly strong or stretch capabilities. He is none of the above. Just a energy big off the bench.

[mjkvol]

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How is that Westbrook's fault? He had no time to do anything else with it.

But you're right, Harden in that spot provides an outlet and some spacing for Kawhi, and maybe they end up with a better shot.

[ProcessDoctor]

LAC out: Mann, Covington, Morris, Coffey, 2028 1st (unp), 2029 1st swap (unp)
LAC in: Harden, House

PHI out: Harden, Harris, House, 2029 1st (unp)
PHI in: Siakam, Mann, Covington, Morris

TOR out: Siakam
TOR in: Harris, Coffey, 2028 LAC 1st (unp), 2029 PHI 1st (unp)


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Mann/Springer/Green
Oubre/Covington/Korkmaz
SIakam/Tucker/Morris
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


Petrusev to G League.

[Samson]

Obviously I can't take credit it for it , because people posted it on here long before I said so - but I have been secretly wanting Issac & Fultz (if Fultz was interested & amenable to coming back of course, if not, another disaster in a long time of disasters, but I think he might) for Harden , if not Issac & Fultz, then Issac & the Wagner brothers.

I think Jonathan Issac is the man, is supremely athletic & talented, and would make an ideal Forward compliment to Tobias ... and Fultz might be the literal and figurative *perfect Combo Guard* next to Maxey that he was SUPPOSED to be, just for a different lineup.

Maxey/Fultz/Simmons/Harris/Embiid is a very interesting lineup. And under no circumstances do I think we should trade Harden to the Clippers. They have literally nobody I'm interested in (I'm actually a big Westbrook fan, and I used to be a big Harden fan, but just no. I didn't want to send Simmons to his beloved Lakers nor do I support caving into Harden's lemon-pepper-wing-eating-and-Cristal-drinking-at-the-strip-clubs-plumper-ass getting what he wants.) - and they don't have any real ammo to make a deal.

Sending him to Orlando for two long-term pieces - especially if we can extract picks and swaps too... - good. Have fun in the Disney Bubble. I hear it's nice and woke this time of year, so Harden can get his douchebag on ... Summers Eve Douche, Enjoy Being A Woman.

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[Kobblehead]

I want to see more from Paul Reed. I dont see a guy who worked hard in his game in the offseason. That shot also looks off.

The problem is they're playing him at the 5, which limits what he can show.

Put him at the 4.

[Kobblehead]

Pat Williams is interesting in terms of potential, but he's likely to get paid based on that potential rather than his actual production on the floor. Reports were he wanted 20+M a year and I don't think you give that to a maybe.

We don't have to commit to anything beyond using him as a rental to help for a playoff run. I'm perfectly fine with someone offersheeting him and letting him go this summer.

[Mik317]

,,,its been one game

[youngcrev]

Pat Williams is interesting in terms of potential, but he's likely to get paid based on that potential rather than his actual production on the floor. Reports were he wanted 20+M a year and I don't think you give that to a maybe.

We don't have to commit to anything beyond using him as a rental to help for a playoff run. I'm perfectly fine with someone offersheeting him and letting him go this summer.

Sure. I guess it's a matter of how he's being valued in the trade. If he's basically just an add on, certainly worth a flier.

[76ciology]

The biggest thing about that Clips loss to the Jazz was Jordan Clarkson locked up Kawhi down the stretch. They really could have benefitted from one of the top ISO players who can also create good look from others down the stretch.

Another thing is.. You wont win much games with Westbrook down the stretch.

Roco also has looked bad. That means there’s no value for his play other than an expiring while Clips lack another good player on their starting 5.