Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[Negrodamus]

Do you guys think the Knicks hot garbage is still available for Embiid?

[76ciology]

Zach lavine looks awful this season and has a multi year max deal with constant injuries. If I’m Morey Derozan is the guy I’m after. Will be an expiring deal and is a more consistent player.

Derozan, compete for a year.
Roll the dice in next year’s FA.

Need a guy who can take the ball out of Biid’s hands and make the whole team less TO prone with more ball movement.

DeRozan has been the perfect Harden target from the point this whole mess started. Expiring contract, good guy, rock solid player who can play on or off the ball, and a legit 'closer' who will take the big shots.

Hell, he's a guy I'd love to bring back on a reasonable deal after this season.

My complain about Derozan is he operates a lot at the same zone Embiid likes to operate with. So the mid range area could be too clogged. He also could be treated like Tucker if he opts to space the floor at the corner where his help defender could cheat possessions.

From what ive seen on this team now, I think we’re OK offensively. Maxey is more than filling Harden’s role, then Oubre and Tobias are filling the 3rd and 4th option on offense. Melton could also be in that mix if his shooting returns. All three have financial incentive to step up.

What’s missing now is “improved Paul Reed” who can play with Embiid. If it’s just an offseason mirage then we need to probably explore shopping around for that. After that, Nurse can play his style of basketball and we can match with the best teams out there.

[M2J]

Derozan, compete for a year.
Roll the dice in next year’s FA.

Need a guy who can take the ball out of Biid’s hands and make the whole team less TO prone with more ball movement.

DeRozan has been the perfect Harden target from the point this whole mess started. Expiring contract, good guy, rock solid player who can play on or off the ball, and a legit 'closer' who will take the big shots.

Hell, he's a guy I'd love to bring back on a reasonable deal after this season.

My complain about Derozan is he operates a lot at the same zone Embiid likes to operate with. So the mid range area could be too clogged. He also could be treated like Tucker if he opts to space the floor at the corner where his help defender could cheat possessions.

From what ive seen on this team now, I think we’re OK offensively. Maxey is more than filling Harden’s role, then Oubre and Tobias are filling the 3rd and 4th option on offense. Melton could also be in that mix if his shooting returns. All three have financial incentive to step up.

What’s missing now is “improved Paul Reed” who can play with Embiid. If it’s just an offseason mirage then we need to probably explore shopping around for that. After that, Nurse can play his style of basketball and we can match with the best teams out there.

To be fair to Reed, my enthusiasm for him this season came with the understanding that he would be playing pf. I fully expected Mo to be the backup center. I've always hated him playing backup 5 because he's not a center.

[M2J]

Anyways, so happy the roster and especially Tyrese showcased that they can be great without Harden. Puts pressure on Harden to not detract from that

[elchengue20]

If Tyrese can evolve to be a 30/7 guy without Harden then maybe we are not so far away from being a real menace.

Thats on Curry or Dame level tho, I stil expect him to be more of a 25/5 scorer/playmaker.

[M2J]

If Tyrese can evolve to be a 30/7 guy without Harden then maybe we are not so far away from being a real menace.

Thats on Curry or Dame level tho, I stil expect him to be more of a 25/5 scorer/playmaker.

Without Harden, he gonna get more than 5 assists. He'll get 3-5 off the Embiid pick and roll alone.

Maxey making Drew Hanlen look good again

[eyeatoma]

If Tyrese can evolve to be a 30/7 guy without Harden then maybe we are not so far away from being a real menace.

Thats on Curry or Dame level tho, I stil expect him to be more of a 25/5 scorer/playmaker.

There is no one else to score on the team. He should average closer to 27-30 ppg. He also averaged just under 5 assists last year, so that will tick up for sure.

[phillynative]

DeRozan has been the perfect Harden target from the point this whole mess started. Expiring contract, good guy, rock solid player who can play on or off the ball, and a legit 'closer' who will take the big shots.

Hell, he's a guy I'd love to bring back on a reasonable deal after this season.

My complain about Derozan is he operates a lot at the same zone Embiid likes to operate with. So the mid range area could be too clogged. He also could be treated like Tucker if he opts to space the floor at the corner where his help defender could cheat possessions.

From what ive seen on this team now, I think we’re OK offensively. Maxey is more than filling Harden’s role, then Oubre and Tobias are filling the 3rd and 4th option on offense. Melton could also be in that mix if his shooting returns. All three have financial incentive to step up.

What’s missing now is “improved Paul Reed” who can play with Embiid. If it’s just an offseason mirage then we need to probably explore shopping around for that. After that, Nurse can play his style of basketball and we can match with the best teams out there.

To be fair to Reed, my enthusiasm for him this season came with the understanding that he would be playing pf. I fully expected Mo to be the backup center. I've always hated him playing backup 5 because he's not a center.

Yea I'm never been that high on Reed but I had some hope for him to show what he can do at PF. Unfortunately he hasn't hit 1 three including preseason and his shot seems to still be under construction and MO Bamba who ideally should be backup Center is a complete waste of a roster spot .

[sodmoraes]

Atleast watching the highlights, it seems Maxey improved as a passer. He had some nice passes to Embiid in the pnr. I can see him averaging 25/6 this year with good percentages. He can be an allstar if we are a average/good team. Oubre seems like a nice adition too, very athletic, good defender and can be our main bench scorer when he´s feeling it.

[sodmoraes]

I like the Derozan trade theory for Harden, that people keep telling. But i wouldnt be opposed to get Lavine in a trade for Harden too. His contract is way expensive, and he´s not all that good, but i think a backcourt of him and Maxey would be really potent. Two very good scorers, that shoot a lot of 3s with great athleticism. I actually think we would be way better that we were with Harden. He may have a lot of flaws, but when he´s on, he´s a flamethrower and very athletic. I dont know if we can get a better player than him. That way we can make one last push trying to get a chip in Embiid´s prime.

[M2J]

I like the Derozan trade theory for Harden, that people keep telling. But i wouldnt be opposed to get Lavine in a trade for Harden too. His contract is way expensive, and he´s not all that good, but i think a backcourt of him and Maxey would be really potent. Two very good scorers, that shoot a lot of 3s with great athleticism. I actually think we would be way better that we were with Harden. He may have a lot of flaws, but when he´s on, he´s a flamethrower and very athletic. I dont know if we can get a better player than him. That way we can make one last push trying to get a chip in Embiid´s prime.

Get an expiring deal and assets off Lavine and Vuc, and at least a pick for DeRozan have to be the priority for Chicago. They need to rebuild ASAP.

[Black Mage]

If we lose a draft pick because we didn’t take James on this road trip, I might sit this season out. That would be such a trash conclusion that I’d have to step away.

If we do, Josh Harris should request Congress investigate the NBA for forcing Mike Rubin into the ownership so that the Commissioner could "own" someone to influence team actions and how did we end up with Colangelos. Enough with the BS, take the gloves off.

[Black Mage]

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Clippers fans insist Westbrook is good, however.

Not that I blame Westbrook for shooting that with the clock running out, though.

Except at 3 of the 4 (the 4th being the guy waiting at the 3 wide open) all pointed to Westbrick where the open look was and Westbrick was actually facing the open made so the pass would have been easy...

[elchengue20]

I dont like Derozan here, he loves to operate in the mid post like Embiid and Tobias. Hes also a bad and unwilling 3pt shooter like them. Hes probably a bad fit.

A 3 point gunner like Lavine makes much more sense.

[mjkvol]

I dont like Derozan here, he loves to operate in the mid post like Embiid and Tobias. Hes also a bad and unwilling 3pt shooter like them. Hes probably a bad fit.

A 3 point gunner like Lavine makes much more sense.

The contract makes Levine toxic, and I disagree that he makes sense in any way. This team doesn't need more offense, it needs defense and rebounding primarily, so neither guy is really a great fit. I'll take DeRozan as a guy who can get you points in non-Embiid minutes and an additional late game closing option. That, and he's an expiring, makes it a simple choice.

[Eyeamok]

If the trade does not happen anytime soon. How do you use Harden without tanking his value and taking away from Maxey?

[sodmoraes]

If the trade does not happen anytime soon. How do you use Harden without tanking his value and taking away from Maxey?

I think Maxey should be the main guard, so he can improve as a passer. I would play Harden from the bench, subbing for Maxey( he´s a gonner anyways, we need to develop Maxey, even if our team suffers a little with his growing pains). But i dont think Harden will like that, and would cause trouble. So they will probably start Harden, but Maxey will play 15-20 minutes without him, as the main distributor.

[bball4life]

If the trade does not happen anytime soon. How do you use Harden without tanking his value and taking away from Maxey?

Well, in a perfect world, they tell him you're coming off the bench for two reasons: 1) your conditioning isn't where it needs to be and 2) we are going to try and trade you so we don't want to mess with our starting 5 as you will likely not be a part of the team post trade deadline.

And further tell him, the better you play, the more likely and fast a trade happens.

If he comes in and plays hard, great, because then he gets all the minutes Maxey sits plus both of them for crunch time in the 4th. If he mopes, then give him mop up minutes and just live with the current team until trade or end of season contract expiring.

[M2J]

If the trade does not happen anytime soon. How do you use Harden without tanking his value and taking away from Maxey?

I think Maxey should be the main guard, so he can improve as a passer. I would play Harden from the bench, subbing for Maxey( he´s a gonner anyways, we need to develop Maxey, even if our team suffers a little with his growing pains). But i dont think Harden will like that, and would cause trouble. So they will probably start Harden, but Maxey will play 15-20 minutes without him, as the main distributor.

Maxey needs to bring the ball up for early offense possibilities. Then as the ball moves, they gotta still look for him. Harden needs to be a secondary ball handler and spacer, and most importantly lead the bench in non Maxey moments. Perhaps playing with Maxey in non Joel moments and they get it done together.

It's not an easy fit, and I'm sure that's one of the reasons James wants to leave. They also need him to look good in order to trade him.

[Tony Franciosa]

Harden can't play - simple as that. Let this team grow and gel together as-is. He's not going to be a part of any meaningful stretch here, so he needs to be sent home until it's resolved.