Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[AleksandarN]

Several people low-key hoping KP gets injured so they can say I told you so on forums.realgm.com

Evaluate your lives friends

Who’s friends on realgm lol.

[AleksandarN]

Side note. I always wondered who pays for insurance for the players against injuries during the international tournaments. Do the federations or the players? Also has there been a player who was denied coverage?

[JujitsuFlip]

it is true. no NBA team can prohibit players from joining their national teams, except they have made that agreement in the NBA contract. as for my knowledge, this usually does not happen.

players often follow through on the teams' request to not play, just because its better for their career and bank account. National competition in basketball is purely a pride thing. but NBA teams can not prevent their players from playing

now, if we are talking soccer for example. it also has a huge financial benefit besides the national pride. globally not a lot of people care for basketball world cup.

By the "letter of the law" from the longstanding agreement between FIBA and the NBA, i agree with you.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1374647/nikola-jovic-and-aleksej-pokusevski-out-for-serbia-eurobasket-world-cup-qualifiers-fiba/

"For [Aleksej] Pokusevski and [Nikola] Jovic, we did not get permission from their teams".

However, just like teams aren't allowed to tamper, we all know well and good 29 teams are tampering. I'll exclude the Hornets because, Kupchak.

Of that same breathe we all know teams are prohibiting their players from playing in International competitions, even though they're told specifically told to let them.

if poku and jovic said, they wanted to go (which they maybe dont even want to) they would have to let them go though, unless they have contractual agreements with the NBA team. thats the point.

because as i said, many basketball players enjoy their summer break and dont want to risk an injury, since they play for lifechanging contracts, especially up and comming talent and roles players are more hesitant than established players.

huge diffrence between earning 5-10 million in 2 years or getting a 60-80/5 contract. i see both conrtacts as realistic outcomes for players like poku and jovic, depending how they play in a contract year and develop overall in the next couple years.

the world cup in basketball just has not enough prestige or financial benefit to have a serious pull for players, that dont have that national pride or wanna enjoy the summer with their "boys".

They could say just what you did the coach is the one who worded it that way.

Like i said, of course they HAVE to let them participate, just like no teams are supposed to tamper.

Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is being followed.

By the way, what is the punishment and who does it come from, when teams won't allow their international players participate in national competitions? How is this rule being enforced.

[Joshyjess]

People often say that if a player gets hurt in a non-NBA tournament or some other non-NBA event, it kind of proves the theory that players shouldn't participate in those kind of events (like Danillo Gallinari), however, what happens if a player gets hurt during a team scrimmage/practice that he could have avoided had he gone to the tournament - does that prove that players SHOULD go play in these events?
Unfortunately injuries happen - both in non-NBA events, as well in NBA practices and scrimmages. Unless we plan to wrap players in bubble wrap and only take them out during games, there really isn't ang good argument for or against having them play in other basketball related events. I get it that players usually play harder or in more stressful environements (like tournaments), but injuries happen just as much in more casual related events as they do in harder / more stressful situations.

[durden_tyler]

People often say that if a player gets hurt in a non-NBA tournament or some other non-NBA event, it kind of proves the theory that players shouldn't participate in those kind of events (like Danillo Gallinari), however, what happens if a player gets hurt during a team scrimmage/practice that he could have avoided had he gone to the tournament - does that prove that players SHOULD go play in these events?
Unfortunately injuries happen - both in non-NBA events, as well in NBA practices and scrimmages. Unless we plan to wrap players in bubble wrap and only take them out during games, there really isn't ang good argument for or against having them play in other basketball related events. I get it that players usually play harder or in more stressful environements (like tournaments), but injuries happen just as much in more casual related events as they do in harder / more stressful situations.

Yes injuries will happen... But it hurts less for the NBA fans if it happens while those players are playing for their team for the important cause (NBA ring, success, etc). But since it's just an international competition like the World Cup, it's an insignificant event for them. The NBA/NBA team is paying them too, so FIBA, unless they also share the same risk (they don't) then this is going to be a forever argument against that player playing for his NT.

i miss the Gasols of the world who care more about their country than their NBA team. They are a rare breed and countries with those kind of players are simply, very lucky.

[NoStatsGuy]

By the "letter of the law" from the longstanding agreement between FIBA and the NBA, i agree with you.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1374647/nikola-jovic-and-aleksej-pokusevski-out-for-serbia-eurobasket-world-cup-qualifiers-fiba/

"For [Aleksej] Pokusevski and [Nikola] Jovic, we did not get permission from their teams".

However, just like teams aren't allowed to tamper, we all know well and good 29 teams are tampering. I'll exclude the Hornets because, Kupchak.

Of that same breathe we all know teams are prohibiting their players from playing in International competitions, even though they're told specifically told to let them.

if poku and jovic said, they wanted to go (which they maybe dont even want to) they would have to let them go though, unless they have contractual agreements with the NBA team. thats the point.

because as i said, many basketball players enjoy their summer break and dont want to risk an injury, since they play for lifechanging contracts, especially up and comming talent and roles players are more hesitant than established players.

huge diffrence between earning 5-10 million in 2 years or getting a 60-80/5 contract. i see both conrtacts as realistic outcomes for players like poku and jovic, depending how they play in a contract year and develop overall in the next couple years.

the world cup in basketball just has not enough prestige or financial benefit to have a serious pull for players, that dont have that national pride or wanna enjoy the summer with their "boys".

They could say just what you did the coach is the one who worded it that way.

Like i said, of course they HAVE to let them participate, just like no teams are supposed to tamper.

Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is being followed.

By the way, what is the punishment and who does it come from, when teams won't allow their international players participate in national competitions? How is this rule being enforced.

this is an irrelevant question because this will never happen. if a player doesnt participate its most likely because the player doesnt want to. A team CAN NOT prevent the player from playing unless they kidnap the player and lock him up. in that case the police and court system would enforce a punishment because its agains the law.

[celticfan42487]

if poku and jovic said, they wanted to go (which they maybe dont even want to) they would have to let them go though, unless they have contractual agreements with the NBA team. thats the point.

because as i said, many basketball players enjoy their summer break and dont want to risk an injury, since they play for lifechanging contracts, especially up and comming talent and roles players are more hesitant than established players.

huge diffrence between earning 5-10 million in 2 years or getting a 60-80/5 contract. i see both conrtacts as realistic outcomes for players like poku and jovic, depending how they play in a contract year and develop overall in the next couple years.

the world cup in basketball just has not enough prestige or financial benefit to have a serious pull for players, that dont have that national pride or wanna enjoy the summer with their "boys".

They could say just what you did the coach is the one who worded it that way.

Like i said, of course they HAVE to let them participate, just like no teams are supposed to tamper.

Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is being followed.

By the way, what is the punishment and who does it come from, when teams won't allow their international players participate in national competitions? How is this rule being enforced.

this is an irrelevant question because this will never happen. if a player doesnt participate its most likely because the player doesnt want to. A team CAN NOT prevent the player from playing unless they kidnap the player and lock him up. in that case the police and court system would enforce a punishment because its agains the law.

Honestly you're way off base. There are already rules for just casual pastimes players can't do due to the risk it puts their body to that they agree not to do due to the investment teams are making in their bodies of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Moreso, in a sport where international competition actually matters such as soccer... they also distinguish between important and unimportant international events and the ones that are not of the utmost of importance teams are allowed to ban their own players from representing their countries because they don't want to take the risk of just a couple games potentially resulting in injury for their player than not.

For the highest tournaments in soccer like the World Cup all have agreed to not let the clubs bar their players but for the lesser competitions they give full rights for the teams to bar their players from participating.

And then when you take that concept into basketball where international competition is absolutely meaningless by all comparisons it really isn't a stretch at all.

[JujitsuFlip]

if poku and jovic said, they wanted to go (which they maybe dont even want to) they would have to let them go though, unless they have contractual agreements with the NBA team. thats the point.

because as i said, many basketball players enjoy their summer break and dont want to risk an injury, since they play for lifechanging contracts, especially up and comming talent and roles players are more hesitant than established players.

huge diffrence between earning 5-10 million in 2 years or getting a 60-80/5 contract. i see both conrtacts as realistic outcomes for players like poku and jovic, depending how they play in a contract year and develop overall in the next couple years.

the world cup in basketball just has not enough prestige or financial benefit to have a serious pull for players, that dont have that national pride or wanna enjoy the summer with their "boys".

They could say just what you did the coach is the one who worded it that way.

Like i said, of course they HAVE to let them participate, just like no teams are supposed to tamper.

Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is being followed.

By the way, what is the punishment and who does it come from, when teams won't allow their international players participate in national competitions? How is this rule being enforced.

this is an irrelevant question because this will never happen. if a player doesnt participate its most likely because the player doesnt want to. A team CAN NOT prevent the player from playing unless they kidnap the player and lock him up. in that case the police and court system would enforce a punishment because its agains the law.

Just like teams CAN NOT negotiate contracts with players from other teams until the moratorium period begins, right?

[NoStatsGuy]

They could say just what you did the coach is the one who worded it that way.

Like i said, of course they HAVE to let them participate, just like no teams are supposed to tamper.

Just because a rule is in place, does not mean it is being followed.

By the way, what is the punishment and who does it come from, when teams won't allow their international players participate in national competitions? How is this rule being enforced.

this is an irrelevant question because this will never happen. if a player doesnt participate its most likely because the player doesnt want to. A team CAN NOT prevent the player from playing unless they kidnap the player and lock him up. in that case the police and court system would enforce a punishment because its agains the law.

Honestly you're way off base. There are already rules for just casual pastimes players can't do due to the risk it puts their body to that they agree not to do due to the investment teams are making in their bodies of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Moreso, in a sport where international competition actually matters such as soccer... they also distinguish between important and unimportant international events and the ones that are not of the utmost of importance teams are allowed to ban their own players from representing their countries because they don't want to take the risk of just a couple games potentially resulting in injury for their player than not.

For the highest tournaments in soccer like the World Cup all have agreed to not let the clubs bar their players but for the lesser competitions they give full rights for the teams to bar their players from participating.

And then when you take that concept into basketball where international competition is absolutely meaningless by all comparisons it really isn't a stretch at all.

i get what you are saying. and you are not wrong at all. im just saying this is not comparable to tempering, which is what was braught up here. because you can temper behind the scenes and get a punishment for violating rules, as it has happened before. but in this example there is no way a team could prevent a player from playing, that actually wants to play. unless they wanna kidnap the player and physically prevent them from joining, which would be a criminal act. no team would do that.

Officially there are no rules that prevent players from joining their national teams. As i said, do players gladly skip on these competitions when their NBA teams request it? Absoloutely! And they do so for the reasons i braught up already.

[SlovenianDragon]

Guess were going to find out whos right this season...All we can do is have opionions and see how it pans out.

awful take bro just take the L.

Im bookmarking this thread so I can come back and hand out all the Ls.

Grizz 0-3

Jones > Smart

[baldur]

this trade essentially shows why boston is a better team than both of the other teams.

[mhd]

this trade essentially shows why boston is a better team than both of the other teams.

Once Leonsis fired the old GM (who was going to extend KP) and replaced him with a new FO who was going to tank, the Wizards had no choice but to trade KP before his opt out date. KP wasn't into the new direction of tanking, so he was going to opt out and hit FA and not resign once Beal was traded. It was either get a late 1st & expirings (the Clippers trade) or Tyus Jones & #35, or get nothing. KP had all the leverage and wanted to go to a winner with a chance to contend.

If old GM Tommy Sheppard was still in charge, KP is still a Wizard today. He actually enjoyed DC from what I can tell.

[ajones9219]

this trade essentially shows why boston is a better team than both of the other teams.

Once Leonsis fired the old GM (who was going to extend KP) and replaced him with a new FO who was going to tank, the Wizards had no choice but to trade KP before his opt out date. KP wasn't into the new direction of tanking, so he was going to opt out and hit FA and not resign once Beal was traded. It was either get a late 1st & expirings (the Clippers trade) or Tyus Jones & #35, or get nothing. KP had all the leverage and wanted to go to a winner with a chance to contend.

If old GM Tommy Sheppard was still in charge, KP is still a Wizard today. He actually enjoyed DC from what I can tell.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow

[QMemphis]

awful take bro just take the L.

Im bookmarking this thread so I can come back and hand out all the Ls.

Grizz 0-3

Jones > Smart

In the context of that game down five rotation players sure. Once we get Ja back I feel more confident in Ja/Smart than I do in Ja/Jones which is all that matters.

[SlovenianDragon]

Im bookmarking this thread so I can come back and hand out all the Ls.

Grizz 0-3

Jones > Smart

In the context of that game down five rotation players sure. Once we get Ja back I feel more confident in Ja/Smart than I do in Ja/Jones which is all that matters.

Smart cant shoot... Whats he gunna do without the ball or when Ja passes to him in the corner? Throw up a brick?

[Joshyjess]

Grizz 0-3

Jones > Smart

In the context of that game down five rotation players sure. Once we get Ja back I feel more confident in Ja/Smart than I do in Ja/Jones which is all that matters.

Smart cant shoot... Whats he gunna do without the ball or when Ja passes to him in the corner? Throw up a brick?

That's not necessarily true - at times Smart is an incredibly good shooter - he actually set the record in Boston for most 3's in one game - 11.
The problem is that you never really know which Smart you are going to get on a given night. The Smart who can shoot the lights out, or the Smart who can't hit the side of a barn, yet keeps shooting anyway. He always give it 100%, and he does so many other things that can help a team win, but when he's having a bad shooting night, and yet keeps shooting - that's when he can hurt your team.

[SlovenianDragon]

In the context of that game down five rotation players sure. Once we get Ja back I feel more confident in Ja/Smart than I do in Ja/Jones which is all that matters.

Smart cant shoot... Whats he gunna do without the ball or when Ja passes to him in the corner? Throw up a brick?

That's not necessarily true - at times Smart is an incredibly good shooter - he actually set the record in Boston for most 3's in one game - 11.
The problem is that you never really know which Smart you are going to get on a given night. The Smart who can shoot the lights out, or the Smart who can't hit the side of a barn, yet keeps shooting anyway. He always give it 100%, and he does so many other things that can help a team win, but when he's having a bad shooting night, and yet keeps shooting - that's when he can hurt your team.

Eh he is bad more often than not... but if they got smart for free sure w.e you deal with his weaknesses... But they gave up Jones and draft picks...They got worse for no reason. Weird trade they should have stayed out of...

[Joshyjess]

Smart cant shoot... Whats he gunna do without the ball or when Ja passes to him in the corner? Throw up a brick?

That's not necessarily true - at times Smart is an incredibly good shooter - he actually set the record in Boston for most 3's in one game - 11.
The problem is that you never really know which Smart you are going to get on a given night. The Smart who can shoot the lights out, or the Smart who can't hit the side of a barn, yet keeps shooting anyway. He always give it 100%, and he does so many other things that can help a team win, but when he's having a bad shooting night, and yet keeps shooting - that's when he can hurt your team.

Eh he is bad more often than not... but if they got smart for free sure w.e you deal with his weaknesses... But they gave up Jones and draft picks...They got worse for no reason. Weird trade they should have stayed out of...

Even when he is off, it's not necessarily a problem is\f he recongnizes that, and doesn't shoot. The problem arises when he is off, doesn't recognize it, and goes on to shoot tons of shots. Some games he would miss his first couple of shots, and not take any more the rest of the game, instead focusing on his defense or his passing (which is actually extremely good). When Smart is on his game, he really is a great player. Whether that's hitting shots on a night he's shooting well, or focusing on playing defense and doing the other things he's so good at when he's not shooting well.
In Boston he definitely had many, many more "good" games (not necessarily good shooting games, but good overall games) than he did those stinker games when he shot his team out of the game. The problem is that his stinker games are the ones most fans remember because they didn't get to see him on a nightly basis doing so many other things that just helped his team.

[DC_Melo]

Several people low-key hoping KP gets injured so they can say I told you so on forums.realgm.com

Evaluate your lives friends

I'm just curious how long Porizingis lasts and Horford holds up and I can't imagine being the only big man in the starting lineup is going to help. Until then, Boston sure has a lot of playmaking and shooting - they shouldn't need an offensive system.

Same. Can't wait until they both get injured so I can say I told you so

My neck still hurts from the whiplash I got reading that

[SlovenianDragon]

That's not necessarily true - at times Smart is an incredibly good shooter - he actually set the record in Boston for most 3's in one game - 11.
The problem is that you never really know which Smart you are going to get on a given night. The Smart who can shoot the lights out, or the Smart who can't hit the side of a barn, yet keeps shooting anyway. He always give it 100%, and he does so many other things that can help a team win, but when he's having a bad shooting night, and yet keeps shooting - that's when he can hurt your team.

Eh he is bad more often than not... but if they got smart for free sure w.e you deal with his weaknesses... But they gave up Jones and draft picks...They got worse for no reason. Weird trade they should have stayed out of...

Even when he is off, it's not necessarily a problem is\f he recongnizes that, and doesn't shoot. The problem arises when he is off, doesn't recognize it, and goes on to shoot tons of shots. Some games he would miss his first couple of shots, and not take any more the rest of the game, instead focusing on his defense or his passing (which is actually extremely good). When Smart is on his game, he really is a great player. Whether that's hitting shots on a night he's shooting well, or focusing on playing defense and doing the other things he's so good at when he's not shooting well.
In Boston he definitely had many, many more "good" games (not necessarily good shooting games, but good overall games) than he did those stinker games when he shot his team out of the game. The problem is that his stinker games are the ones most fans remember because they didn't get to see him on a nightly basis doing so many other things that just helped his team.

You know you already got Zingis right? Dont need to hype up a mediocre role player... Smart is backup PG and nothing more... Boston realized that... Memphis will realize that...

Smart was appreciated in boston because he is a hustle player that had two guys next to him handling the load and rly just needed to play defense. You dont want Smart to be your main ball handler... And hes not a SG so when Ja gets back thats still going to be a problem... And even if the grizz move him to the bench now you are paying 18 million for ur back up PG... Terrible move by the grizz in every way shape and form... And they gave up Jones and draft picks...SMHHHH