Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Skybox]

How about Coby White from CHI...he's a 6'5 scoring combo guard...could he be a bigger offensive threat on a team where he had more of a green light without DDR, Vuc, and Lavine ahead of him in the pecking order? He's only 23, historically - he can shoot it from deep but doesn't draw a lot of FT's...but he's really buried in that offense. He's like a bigger Cole - which is good, IMO. I like the same complementary pair of Cole/Black behind them.

Fultz for Coby works (although Coby makes less) and ...Fultz might actually be fantastic feeding 3 20ppg types and doing the little things that may be less significant here, in light of our lack of backcourt scoring.

I like that kind of Lead Guard next to Suggs and, if Suggs starts hitting - look out!

White/Black
Suggs/Cole
Franz/Ingles/Jett
Paolo/Isaac
WCJ/M. Wagner

Think of the backcourt lineups..."White Black", "Black Cole", "Jett Black"

If you don’t stop with the terrible players you want to trade for…

How's it worse to see if terrible players in a change of scenery might do better than clinging to terrible players already showing they can't make it here? At worst, addition by subtraction.

[thelead]

How about Coby White from CHI...he's a 6'5 scoring combo guard...could he be a bigger offensive threat on a team where he had more of a green light without DDR, Vuc, and Lavine ahead of him in the pecking order? He's only 23, historically - he can shoot it from deep but doesn't draw a lot of FT's...but he's really buried in that offense. He's like a bigger Cole - which is good, IMO. I like the same complementary pair of Cole/Black behind them.

Fultz for Coby works (although Coby makes less) and ...Fultz might actually be fantastic feeding 3 20ppg types and doing the little things that may be less significant here, in light of our lack of backcourt scoring.

I like that kind of Lead Guard next to Suggs and, if Suggs starts hitting - look out!

White/Black
Suggs/Cole
Franz/Ingles/Jett
Paolo/Isaac
WCJ/M. Wagner

Think of the backcourt lineups..."White Black", "Black Cole", "Jett Black"

If you don’t stop with the terrible players you want to trade for…

How's it worse to see if terrible players in a change of scenery might do better than clinging to terrible players already showing they can't make it here? At worst, addition by subtraction.

Find some two-way players please. It seems your trades always revolve around terrible defenders (Coby, Herro, Simons, Poole-type of players). I’d take Simons and maybe Herro just because I think you can trust them on offense but still… not the type of player I would want playing major minutes on a contender. These are scorers that don’t do much else. And for Coby, he’s isn’t that good of a scorer anyway.

[Knightro]

LaVine having a big night for the Bulls. 39 through 3 quarters on 14-24 FG, 5-10 3PT.

If Chicago ends up in a selling spot come February...

[Skybox]

If you don’t stop with the terrible players you want to trade for…

How's it worse to see if terrible players in a change of scenery might do better than clinging to terrible players already showing they can't make it here? At worst, addition by subtraction.

Find some two-way players please. It seems your trades always revolve around terrible defenders (Coby, Herro, Simons, Poole-type of players). I’d take Simons and maybe Herro just because I think you can trust them on offense but still… not the type of player I would want playing major minutes on a contender. These are scorers that don’t do much else. And for Coby, he’s isn’t that good of a scorer anyway.

So, 2 of the 4 YOU listed are okay...I know Poole's a horrible reach...my thoughts on Coby are stated, he's buried behind 3 all-star level scorers...I'm not condoning betting a #1 pick, just taking a swing. The same way we did on Fultz. Taking a chance on Fultz was an excellent bet. Whether we feel it worked out or not, the risk was minimal and the ceiling was sky-high. I'll take my lumps on Poole, that's a huge financial burden and no real basis to bet he'll mature. He could well lead the league in scoring this year (given his situation ) and still not be All-Star worthy. ...Knicks took a swing on an undersized, overpaid, no defense PG and it changed their whole Thibs defense-first culture and outlook overnight (without giving up 150 ppg).

I do value offense over D, because we have a few defense-heavy players, particularly the guy I'm generally envisioning next to the scoring guard. Obviously, a 2-way all-star would be preferable...but I can't think of any available. When Jrue was, everybody (including me) said he was too old...so find me the 23 year old, 20+ ppg 3-level scorer that plays great defense and can initiate the offense...I doubt he exists and he's certainly not available, but that's not enough reason to settle for what's on hand.

[thelead]

How's it worse to see if terrible players in a change of scenery might do better than clinging to terrible players already showing they can't make it here? At worst, addition by subtraction.

Find some two-way players please. It seems your trades always revolve around terrible defenders (Coby, Herro, Simons, Poole-type of players). I’d take Simons and maybe Herro just because I think you can trust them on offense but still… not the type of player I would want playing major minutes on a contender. These are scorers that don’t do much else. And for Coby, he’s isn’t that good of a scorer anyway.

So, 2 of the 4 YOU listed are okay...I know Poole's a horrible reach...my thoughts on Coby are stated, he's buried behind 3 all-star level scorers...I'm not condoning betting a #1 pick, just taking a swing. The same way we did on Fultz. Taking a chance on Fultz was an excellent bet. Whether we feel it worked out or not, the risk was minimal and the ceiling was sky-high. I'll take my lumps on Poole, that's a huge financial burden and no real basis to bet he'll mature. He could well lead the league in scoring this year (given his situation ) and still not be All-Star worthy. ...Knicks took a swing on an undersized, overpaid, no defense PG and it changed their whole Thibs defense-first culture and outlook overnight (without giving up 150 ppg).

I do value offense over D, because we have a few defense-heavy players, particularly the guy I'm generally envisioning next to the scoring guard. Obviously, a 2-way all-star would be preferable...but I can't think of any available. When Jrue was, everybody (including me) said he was too old...so find me the 23 year old, 20+ ppg 3-level scorer that plays great defense and can initiate the offense...I doubt he exists and he's certainly not available, but that's not enough reason to settle for what's on hand.

But that guy can run an offense too. Brunson is a gritty player too. You just gotta be able to do more than score. Alex Caruso is someone I mentioned earlier. ELITE defender and a 37% career 3pt shooter. We don’t need guys taking touches away from Franz and Paolo.

[thelead]

LaVine having a big night for the Bulls. 39 through 3 quarters on 14-24 FG, 5-10 3PT.

If Chicago ends up in a selling spot come February...

And Vuc continues to be a defensive liability. Cade is looking GREAT too.

[Magic#1]

LaVine having a big night for the Bulls. 39 through 3 quarters on 14-24 FG, 5-10 3PT.

If Chicago ends up in a selling spot come February...

I was thinking the same thing. I don't love LaVine, but he would definitely take us to a new level.

[pepe1991]

Hell no to Lavine.

[Skybox]

LaVine having a big night for the Bulls. 39 through 3 quarters on 14-24 FG, 5-10 3PT.

If Chicago ends up in a selling spot come February...

Wait…you’re killing me for offense-only guys and stumping for Lavine?

Incredible AAU-type scoring machine, with worst BBIQ in the NBA. Admittedly, he had ONE season a couple of years ago, when he became briefly aware that he had teammates…and, consider his trade price AND his cap hit.

Congrats, this is your Poole.

We could get Cam Thomas for a lot less if you’re going to the dark side…you’ve out-Skybox’d me.

[Skybox]

Ivey was a bad fit in DET on draft night and it hasn’t gotten better. Not sure what he’ll become, but I’d like to liberate him.

Anthony Black straight up for Ivey…I can easily build a case for or against either one, but I feel like IF both approached their draft profile/NBA projections, Ivey is a better fit for us and has more star potential, paired nicely with Suggs. Ivey is a scorer but his assist/turnover is ugly so far…that’s a bet I’d make and Black might look really good next to Cade…although, in retrospect, Ausur already looks pretty good next to Cade in similar style.

Maybe Jett + Den 25 for Ivey?

[basketballRob]

Hell no to Lavine.

I second this. He just doesn't seem like a winning player. Poor defense, and last night, 51 pts and no assists.

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[basketballRob]

Ivey was a bad fit in DET on draft night and it hasn’t gotten better. Not sure what he’ll become, but I’d like to liberate him.

Anthony Black straight up for Ivey…I can easily build a case for or against either one, but I feel like IF both approached their draft profile/NBA projections, Ivey is a better fit for us and has more star potential, paired nicely with Suggs. Ivey is a scorer but his assist/turnover is ugly so far…that’s a bet I’d make and Black might look really good next to Cade…although, in retrospect, Ausur already looks pretty good next to Cade in similar style.

Maybe Jett + Den 25 for Ivey?

I think Black will be a better player than Ivey. In 3 years, Black will be our starting PG and one of the best defensive players in the league.

Black is coming into the league a full year younger than Ivey and has this whole season to train. Ivey has around an -14 net rating last season. Black will be way better than that.

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[Skybox]

Ivey was a bad fit in DET on draft night and it hasn’t gotten better. Not sure what he’ll become, but I’d like to liberate him.

Anthony Black straight up for Ivey…I can easily build a case for or against either one, but I feel like IF both approached their draft profile/NBA projections, Ivey is a better fit for us and has more star potential, paired nicely with Suggs. Ivey is a scorer but his assist/turnover is ugly so far…that’s a bet I’d make and Black might look really good next to Cade…although, in retrospect, Ausur already looks pretty good next to Cade in similar style.

Maybe Jett + Den 25 for Ivey?

I think Black will be a better player than Ivey. In 3 years, Black will be our starting PG and one of the best defensive players in the league.

Black is coming into the league a full year younger than Ivey and has this whole season to train. Ivey has around an -14 net rating last season. Black will be way better than that.

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I don’t disagree or claim to see the long-term future…but how will Black’s numbers compare one year from now (to Ivey’s)? Both are hidden, stifled or misused, etc in their rookie situations

Also, I like your vision of Black as our PG in 3 years, who is the SG? If it’s Suggs, you better hope he can shoot it by then or we’ll be where we are now, with a couple of older, much more expensive, frustrated star forwards

[thelead]

LaVine having a big night for the Bulls. 39 through 3 quarters on 14-24 FG, 5-10 3PT.

If Chicago ends up in a selling spot come February...

Wait…you’re killing me for offense-only guys and stumping for Lavine?

Incredible AAU-type scoring machine, with worst BBIQ in the NBA. Admittedly, he had ONE season a couple of years ago, when he became briefly aware that he had teammates…and, consider his trade price AND his cap hit.

Congrats, this is your Poole.

We could get Cam Thomas for a lot less if you’re going to the dark side…you’ve out-Skybox’d me.

You quoted the wrong dude I said nothing about LaVine in my reply.

[Skybox]

Wait…you’re killing me for offense-only guys and stumping for Lavine?

Incredible AAU-type scoring machine, with worst BBIQ in the NBA. Admittedly, he had ONE season a couple of years ago, when he became briefly aware that he had teammates…and, consider his trade price AND his cap hit.

Congrats, this is your Poole.

We could get Cam Thomas for a lot less if you’re going to the dark side…you’ve out-Skybox’d me.

You quoted the wrong dude I said nothing about LaVine in my reply.

Damn...I thought I could get Poole off my ledger

[thelead]

Wait…you’re killing me for offense-only guys and stumping for Lavine?

Incredible AAU-type scoring machine, with worst BBIQ in the NBA. Admittedly, he had ONE season a couple of years ago, when he became briefly aware that he had teammates…and, consider his trade price AND his cap hit.

Congrats, this is your Poole.

We could get Cam Thomas for a lot less if you’re going to the dark side…you’ve out-Skybox’d me.

You quoted the wrong dude I said nothing about LaVine in my reply.

Damn...I thought I could get Poole off my ledger

To be fair, I once lobbied for LaVine… but the more I watched him, the more I realized he is an ‘empty calories’ player with no hope of improving on his deficiencies. I should have known better. I didn’t want to draft him because he had the maturity of a spoiled brat kindergartner coming out of college. And IIRC, he once videoed himself throwing his shoe at his dog and thought it was a good idea to post it. Not the end of the world but gives you a good insight to his mentality.

[Skybox]

You quoted the wrong dude I said nothing about LaVine in my reply.

Damn...I thought I could get Poole off my ledger

To be fair, I once lobbied for LaVine… but the more I watched him, the more I realized he is an ‘empty calories’ player with no hope of improving on his deficiencies. I should have known better. I didn’t want to draft him because he had the maturity of a spoiled brat kindergartner coming out of college. And IIRC, he once videoed himself throwing his shoe at his dog and thought it was a good idea to post it. Not the end of the world but gives you a good insight to his mentality.

You know when you look at a cow (or a Basset Hound) and there just seems like there's nothing going on behind the eyes...I kind of get that with Lavine (and AG, who I was told by a (medical) insider seemed "dumb as a bag of rocks"). Lavine has tremendous bball skills and otherworldly athleticism...but his ceiling is still way lower than his stats.

[pepe1991]

Lavine turns 29 in 5 months, if he didn't learn how not to suck air out of his team by now, he simply won't.

He would be great if he stops passing wide open 3s for usless step in 2s, if he uses his incredible agility to actually move off ball, if he could stop being ballwatcher on defense etc.
But it simply won't happen to him.

[89Magicfan]

Lavine turns 29 in 5 months, if he didn't learn how not to suck air out of his team by now, he simply won't.

He would be great if he stops passing wide open 3s for usless step in 2s, if he uses his incredible agility to actually move off ball, if he could stop being ballwatcher on defense etc.
But it simply won't happen to him.

If he did those things he’d be Ray Allen lite and every team would want him.

[RookieStar]

Isn't Lavine the kind of player we used to dream about? The walking bucket? No-conscience-with horse blinders on-scoring machine? lol how time flies...