Markelle Fultz

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Please kill it.

Tired of talking about this guy like it matters. Discussion was over on page 10.

[zaymon]

Is thread being closed after 100 pages? I can speed up process if that means new one won't be open

Please kill it.

Tired of talking about this guy like it matters.

You guys think he will start shooting threes tomorrow ? I am almost certain its a possibility. He only needs to hit one and 20M+ contract is guaranteed.

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Is thread being closed after 100 pages? I can speed up process if that means new one won't be open

Please kill it.

Tired of talking about this guy like it matters.

You guys think he will start shooting threes tomorrow ? I am almost certain its a possibility. He only needs to hit one and 20M+ contract is guaranteed.

Fultz could go 2-9 fgs, 0-0 from 3 , 0 fts, and 4 assists and people would argue he’s “a calming presence” that needs +20m and another 3 seasons of “wait and see” to really understand his potential.

[Residual-Heat]

I said before the season that i just wanted him to show real improvement from 3. Close to 3 threes per game (or atleast per 36) at 33 percent. So far he has taken 1 three per game and missed both of his attempts. Not looking good so far, but TBH i was never optimistic.

I like his effort, i dont think he's a terrible player, but we could and should do better.

[Residual-Heat]

Is he injured BTW? Cole closed out the last game.

[Skybox]

Please kill it.

Tired of talking about this guy like it matters.

You guys think he will start shooting threes tomorrow ? I am almost certain its a possibility. He only needs to hit one and 20M+ contract is guaranteed.

Fultz could go 2-9 fgs, 0-0 from 3 , 0 fts, and 4 assists and people would argue he’s “a calming presence” that needs +20m and another 3 seasons of “wait and see” to really understand his potential.

The postgame analysis would be..."he really took his deferring to the next level tonight. The guy's amazing at it and, Dante, did you get a look at the haircut...now, that's commitment"

[pepe1991]

You guys think he will start shooting threes tomorrow ? I am almost certain its a possibility. He only needs to hit one and 20M+ contract is guaranteed.

Fultz could go 2-9 fgs, 0-0 from 3 , 0 fts, and 4 assists and people would argue he’s “a calming presence” that needs +20m and another 3 seasons of “wait and see” to really understand his potential.

The postgame analysis would be..."he really took his deferring to the next level tonight. The guy's amazing at it and, Dante, did you get a look at the haircut...now, that's commitment"

He missed on purpose to challange Banchero

[Skybox]

Fultz could go 2-9 fgs, 0-0 from 3 , 0 fts, and 4 assists and people would argue he’s “a calming presence” that needs +20m and another 3 seasons of “wait and see” to really understand his potential.

The postgame analysis would be..."he really took his deferring to the next level tonight. The guy's amazing at it and, Dante, did you get a look at the haircut...now, that's commitment"

He missed on purpose to challange Banchero

...helping Banchero get his rebound numbers up

[Audi]

Please kill it.

Tired of talking about this guy like it matters.

You guys think he will start shooting threes tomorrow ? I am almost certain its a possibility. He only needs to hit one and 20M+ contract is guaranteed.

Fultz could go 2-9 fgs, 0-0 from 3 , 0 fts, and 4 assists and people would argue he’s “a calming presence” that needs +20m and another 3 seasons of “wait and see” to really understand his potential.

Likewise, he could go 22-6-6 and so long as it’s a loss some here would blame him for it.

[J the Drafter]

He looked better last year even with his poor outside shooting and the strings of low-scoring games dotted among his high-scoring performances. If he can’t get to 16- or 20-plus points per game then I agree he’s probably not worth keeping, but I assume whatever injury is affecting his play is only temporary.

I also think too many on this board value shooting to a dogmatic extent. By all means seek it out, but don’t throw away other things (defense and dribble penetration) because you don’t have shooting on top of that. The other elements of basketball matter too.

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This thread has become: “we’re winning games? Fultz must be the problem!”

[fendilim]

Is he injured BTW? Cole closed out the last game.

Has his TOS been healed?

[Rainwater]

This thread has become: “we’re winning games? Fultz must be the problem!”

I don’t know where this narrative is coming from. No one is saying Fultz sucks. No one hates Fultz. Most would say Fultz is the starter right now. However, given his contract situation, the question is does he fit where the team is going and can the magic do better, that is what his “distractors” are worried about. This has been said multiple times.

We need to get away from the idea just because one is critical or critical of one’s favorite player it must be hate. But maybe that is just what a forum is here for, to debate these issues.

[pinoynurse]

Is he injured BTW? Cole closed out the last game.

cole closed cuz he outplayed markelle. plain and simple.

it will be interesting what mose decides to do in future late game close situations. Markelle is a better organizer but when the game is on the line, the ball will mainly be in paolo or franz's hands, cole gives them more options with his 3pt ability

[Bensational]

This thread has become: “we’re winning games? Fultz must be the problem!”

I don’t know where this narrative is coming from. No one is saying Fultz sucks. No one hates Fultz. Most would say Fultz is the starter right now. However, given his contract situation, the question is does he fit where the team is going and can the magic do better, that is what his “distractors” are worried about. This has been said multiple times.

We need to get away from the idea just because one is critical or critical of one’s favorite player it must be hate. But maybe that is just what a forum is here for, to debate these issues.

Meh, people talk out both sides of their mouths and “best fit” is really just “best fitting criticism for this argument”. Some are arguing to swap Fultz for Black which does nothing to address issues with “fit” right now.

I think we need to get away from the idea of chasing some elusive “best fit” and appreciate what the team is currently doing - winning games. A better alternative to Fultz will emerge in time, but he ain’t available right now and we don’t need to disrupt chemistry just so someone like Fred Van Vleet can chuck us back into the lottery.

[Bensational]

Is he injured BTW? Cole closed out the last game.

cole closed cuz he outplayed markelle. plain and simple.

it will be interesting what mose decides to do in future late game close situations. Markelle is a better organizer but when the game is on the line, the ball will mainly be in paolo or franz's hands, cole gives them more options with his 3pt ability

Boom! This is how the roster will sort itself out organically, imo. If Mosley is ready to trust Franz and Paolo closing games and running point then Fultz really doesn’t have as much value on the floor.

[CarraT]

This thread has become: “we’re winning games? Fultz must be the problem!”

I don’t know where this narrative is coming from. No one is saying Fultz sucks. No one hates Fultz. Most would say Fultz is the starter right now. However, given his contract situation, the question is does he fit where the team is going and can the magic do better, that is what his “distractors” are worried about. This has been said multiple times.

We need to get away from the idea just because one is critical or critical of one’s favorite player it must be hate. But maybe that is just what a forum is here for, to debate these issues.

Meh, people talk out both sides of their mouths and “best fit” is really just “best fitting criticism for this argument”. Some are arguing to swap Fultz for Black which does nothing to address issues with “fit” right now.

I think we need to get away from the idea of chasing some elusive “best fit” and appreciate what the team is currently doing - winning games. A better alternative to Fultz will emerge in time, but he ain’t available right now and we don’t need to disrupt chemistry just so someone like Fred Van Vleet can chuck us back into the lottery.

Well. We’ve been deep in the lottery last year with Fultz, and FVV already has a ring.
We have won two games, both teams we won against are 0-3 now. So let’s wait a little bit before being so sure we are a playoff team.
And even then: there have been lots of arguments here that regular season wins don’t matter that much, as team’s weaknesses get exploited in playoffs, when teams adjust to other teams, and that Fultz lack of shooting will be an even bigger issue there, as seen in the past or as seen with DeRozan.

[SOUL]

We should probably worry about getting to the playoffs first, something we haven't done often the last decade, before worrying who can or can't perform in them. I made it a point to scope out guys who were known for shooting in last years playoffs, and there were a surprising number of those players who lost minutes to do-it-all worse shooting types because defense cranked up and they provided nothing out there since their main ability was three point shooting and had no real wiggle beyond that to create for themselves or hit shots at a 37-40% clip like during the regular season.

Also DeRozan failed because he was a #1 option in Toronto (#1/2 in Chicago) .. if your #4 option can't shoot then it's less of an issue.

[CarraT]

We should probably worry about getting to the playoffs first, something we haven't done often the last decade, before worrying who can or can't perform in them. I made it a point to scope out guys who were known for shooting in last years playoffs, and there were a surprising number of those players who lost minutes to do-it-all worse shooting types because defense cranked up and they provided nothing out there since their main ability was three point shooting and had no real wiggle beyond that to create for themselves or hit shots at a 37-40% clip like during the regular season.

Also DeRozan failed because he was a #1 option in Toronto (#1/2 in Chicago) .. if your #4 option can't shoot then it's less of an issue.

I would say its smarter to think a few steps ahead, and not just "ok lets try if we can make the playoffs, and then see how it goes", but well.
Other than that: "if your #4 option can't shoot then it's less of an issue". First of all, Fultz is the #3 option. And as a PG he has the ball a lot. A lack of shooting ability has more effect here. Second, also our #1 option has some issues shooting, and #2 isnt elite either.
Still we all decided that #1 and #2 are the future of the franchise. So, if they arent elite shooters themselfs (Wagner may develop here), we have to make sure the other options fit to them.
Its really not hard to predict the offensive struggles we get with our lack of shooting in the playoffs. So why wait to get better?

[Skybox]

I don’t think “wait and see” is realistic- unless you’re talking weeks, not months. Fultz will be an UFA. Proactive thinking is what makes orgs like MIA constantly relevant. MIL doesn’t wait and see if Giannis will re-sign. Twice, they went out and smashed the marketplace with aggressive moves and twice, they scored in just the last few years. We’re not contenders and Paolo & Franz are not (yet) Giannis…but the dynamic still applies…Unless you’re on board with Martins’ 2030 BS…I’m not saying we’ll contend tomorrow…but our answers aren’t always in-house.