Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

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Re: Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz 

Post#481 » by JimmyFromNz » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:42 pm

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Eh he is bad more often than not... but if they got smart for free sure w.e you deal with his weaknesses... But they gave up Jones and draft picks...They got worse for no reason. Weird trade they should have stayed out of...

Even when he is off, it's not necessarily a problem is\f he recongnizes that, and doesn't shoot. The problem arises when he is off, doesn't recognize it, and goes on to shoot tons of shots. Some games he would miss his first couple of shots, and not take any more the rest of the game, instead focusing on his defense or his passing (which is actually extremely good). When Smart is on his game, he really is a great player. Whether that's hitting shots on a night he's shooting well, or focusing on playing defense and doing the other things he's so good at when he's not shooting well.
In Boston he definitely had many, many more "good" games (not necessarily good shooting games, but good overall games) than he did those stinker games when he shot his team out of the game. The problem is that his stinker games are the ones most fans remember because they didn't get to see him on a nightly basis doing so many other things that just helped his team.


You know you already got Zingis right? Dont need to hype up a mediocre role player... Smart is backup PG and nothing more... Boston realized that... Memphis will realize that...

Smart was appreciated in boston because he is a hustle player that had two guys next to him handling the load and rly just needed to play defense. You dont want Smart to be your main ball handler... And hes not a SG so when Ja gets back thats still going to be a problem... And even if the grizz move him to the bench now you are paying 18 million for ur back up PG... Terrible move by the grizz in every way shape and form... And they gave up Jones and draft picks...SMHHHH


I was happy with the trade, getting KP is a real improvement for our team on a number of levels.

I dont however think your assessment of Smart is accurate.

He's a starting calibre player and DPOY level guard in this league, as shown his entire career, that's a factual statement.

Dismissing him as just a hustle player isn't accurate (based on any assessment of watching his game) ignores the significant leadership and half court anchorship he plays in a team's defense. He's not just diving on balls, he's running the teams point of attack (PnR and help) communication on everything. Then on the other side of the ball he possesses effective secondary ball handling duties i.e. you can run multiple offensive sets with him, and he's an effective passer, who took a lot of pressure off both Jaylen and Tatum and could step into shots on the perimeter as well.

His shot selection was always in question, but he had a well rounded game that plugged a lot of gaps between the deficiencies across the lineup.

Though I'm guessing the fact you've described him as a 'mediocre role player' suggests you're not exactly starting from a point of reason.
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Post#482 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:48 pm

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Joshyjess wrote:Even when he is off, it's not necessarily a problem is\f he recongnizes that, and doesn't shoot. The problem arises when he is off, doesn't recognize it, and goes on to shoot tons of shots. Some games he would miss his first couple of shots, and not take any more the rest of the game, instead focusing on his defense or his passing (which is actually extremely good). When Smart is on his game, he really is a great player. Whether that's hitting shots on a night he's shooting well, or focusing on playing defense and doing the other things he's so good at when he's not shooting well.
In Boston he definitely had many, many more "good" games (not necessarily good shooting games, but good overall games) than he did those stinker games when he shot his team out of the game. The problem is that his stinker games are the ones most fans remember because they didn't get to see him on a nightly basis doing so many other things that just helped his team.


You know you already got Zingis right? Dont need to hype up a mediocre role player... Smart is backup PG and nothing more... Boston realized that... Memphis will realize that...

Smart was appreciated in boston because he is a hustle player that had two guys next to him handling the load and rly just needed to play defense. You dont want Smart to be your main ball handler... And hes not a SG so when Ja gets back thats still going to be a problem... And even if the grizz move him to the bench now you are paying 18 million for ur back up PG... Terrible move by the grizz in every way shape and form... And they gave up Jones and draft picks...SMHHHH


I was happy with the trade, getting KP is a real improvement for our team on a number of levels.

I dont however think you're assessment of Smart is accurate.

He's a starting calibre player in this league DPOY calibre player, as shown to be his entire career, that's a factual statement.

Dismissing him as just a hustle player isn't accurate (based on any assessment of watching his game) ignores the significant leadership and half court anchorship he played for the team on defense. He's not just diving on balls, he's running the teams point of attack communication on everything. Then on the other side of the ball as the secondary ball handling duties and effective passer, who took a lot of pressure off both Jaylen and Tatum and could step into shots on the perimeter well. His shot selection was always in question, but he had a well rounded game that plugged a lot of gaps between the deficiencies across the lineup.

Though I'm guessing the fact you've described him as a 'mediocre role player' suggests you're exactly starting from a point of reason.


Im pretty sure you are more biased on this subject than I when it comes to reasoning...
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Post#483 » by JimmyFromNz » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:53 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:
JimmyFromNz wrote:
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You know you already got Zingis right? Dont need to hype up a mediocre role player... Smart is backup PG and nothing more... Boston realized that... Memphis will realize that...

Smart was appreciated in boston because he is a hustle player that had two guys next to him handling the load and rly just needed to play defense. You dont want Smart to be your main ball handler... And hes not a SG so when Ja gets back thats still going to be a problem... And even if the grizz move him to the bench now you are paying 18 million for ur back up PG... Terrible move by the grizz in every way shape and form... And they gave up Jones and draft picks...SMHHHH


I was happy with the trade, getting KP is a real improvement for our team on a number of levels.

I dont however think you're assessment of Smart is accurate.

He's a starting calibre player in this league DPOY calibre player, as shown to be his entire career, that's a factual statement.

Dismissing him as just a hustle player isn't accurate (based on any assessment of watching his game) ignores the significant leadership and half court anchorship he played for the team on defense. He's not just diving on balls, he's running the teams point of attack communication on everything. Then on the other side of the ball as the secondary ball handling duties and effective passer, who took a lot of pressure off both Jaylen and Tatum and could step into shots on the perimeter well. His shot selection was always in question, but he had a well rounded game that plugged a lot of gaps between the deficiencies across the lineup.

Though I'm guessing the fact you've described him as a 'mediocre role player' suggests you're exactly starting from a point of reason.


Im pretty sure you are more biased on this subject than I when it comes to reasoning...


Biased? I loved the KP trade.

Informed perhaps?
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Post#484 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:57 pm

JimmyFromNz wrote:
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JimmyFromNz wrote:
I was happy with the trade, getting KP is a real improvement for our team on a number of levels.

I dont however think you're assessment of Smart is accurate.

He's a starting calibre player in this league DPOY calibre player, as shown to be his entire career, that's a factual statement.

Dismissing him as just a hustle player isn't accurate (based on any assessment of watching his game) ignores the significant leadership and half court anchorship he played for the team on defense. He's not just diving on balls, he's running the teams point of attack communication on everything. Then on the other side of the ball as the secondary ball handling duties and effective passer, who took a lot of pressure off both Jaylen and Tatum and could step into shots on the perimeter well. His shot selection was always in question, but he had a well rounded game that plugged a lot of gaps between the deficiencies across the lineup.

Though I'm guessing the fact you've described him as a 'mediocre role player' suggests you're exactly starting from a point of reason.


Im pretty sure you are more biased on this subject than I when it comes to reasoning...


Biased? I loved the KP trade.

Informed perhaps?


Na.
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Post#485 » by JimmyFromNz » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:14 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:
JimmyFromNz wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:
Im pretty sure you are more biased on this subject than I when it comes to reasoning...


Biased? I loved the KP trade.

Informed perhaps?


Na.


Ha, great tit for tat, not a lot to say I guess.

We get it, you hate the Tyus Jones trade, I actually agree its poor for Memphis all things considered.

What you don't need to do is start misrepresenting who Marcus Smart is as a player to try bolster your point.

The classic RealGM approach to debating :lol:

I'll gladly take my 9+ years of watching him night in, night out (as a starter FYI) and specific observations of his game, over some throwaway lines about bias. All the best with your RealGMing!
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Post#486 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:18 pm

JimmyFromNz wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:
JimmyFromNz wrote:
Biased? I loved the KP trade.

Informed perhaps?


Na.


Ha, great tit for tat, not a lot to say I guess.

We get it, you hate the Tyus Jones trade, I actually agree its poor for Memphis all things considered.

What you don't need to do is start misrepresenting who Marcus Smart is as a player to try bolster your point.

The classic RealGM approach to debating :lol:

I'll gladly take my 9+ years of watching him night in, night out (as a starter FYI) and specific observations of his game, over some throwaway lines about bias. All the best with your RealGMing!


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Post#487 » by Dacost » Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:19 am

JimmyFromNz wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:
JimmyFromNz wrote:
Biased? I loved the KP trade.

Informed perhaps?


Na.


Ha, great tit for tat, not a lot to say I guess.

We get it, you hate the Tyus Jones trade, I actually agree its poor for Memphis all things considered.

What you don't need to do is start misrepresenting who Marcus Smart is as a player to try bolster your point.

The classic RealGM approach to debating :lol:

I'll gladly take my 9+ years of watching him night in, night out (as a starter FYI) and specific observations of his game, over some throwaway lines about bias. All the best with your RealGMing!
don't waste your time on him I'm pretty sure he is 12 years old or atleast acts like one.In my opinion he is a top five worst poster of realgm.

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Post#489 » by ImSlower » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:26 am

JimmyFromNz, your posts were well-argued and thorough. Other guy, well, dude don't drag the forum down, you can do better.

And that's coming from a guy who absolutely can't stand Smart. Despite my permanent and subjective bias, the dude flat out helps teams win beyond the scoreboard.
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Post#490 » by zimpy27 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:04 am

Grizz could have used KP..
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Post#491 » by Floody23 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 5:26 am

Hard to argue this isn’t the trade of the summer.
Lead to getting both Porzingis & Holiday.
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Post#492 » by SlovenianDragon » Sat Nov 4, 2023 5:54 am

BAMAFREAK wrote:
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Statlanta wrote:Tyus is better than Marcus and Porzingis is oft-injured. The Celtics traded chemistry to upgrade Grant Williams spot.

Could be a championship level Boston move or a 2014 Indiana Pacers move that destroys the team from within. Wizards are just shuffling the chairs on the titanic.


Tyus was great when Ja went down...started 22 games and averaged 16/8 on 50/42/78....Smart is a huge down grade...

With Ja being out the first 25 games they could go 0-25....Even when Ja comes back smart and ja playing together would put up some awful shooting nights.

Grizz are a lottery team next year.


This is one of the most ignorant posts I’ve seen on here…..and that’s saying something.
Not only is Smart worlds better than Tyus, but you really think the team that has finished second in the west two years in a row, with an ascending core is going to fall apart because the loss of Tyus Jones?


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Post#493 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:31 pm

Had to give out some amazing and 1s to the worst takes on the trade now that we are coming up on playoff time. Kp has been amazing and this trade was off the charts great for Boston. They used the extra picks to trade for holiday, extended kp for below market value, and kp has the highest pp post up in NBA on best team in the league. Take your humble losses.
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Post#494 » by Dan Z » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:02 pm

Tyus Jones is a good player, but the Wizards should've done better with trading KP.
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Post#495 » by Capn'O » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:13 pm

Pretty pretty pretty good trade for Boston.
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Post#496 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:34 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Boston got fleeced. I would not do smart for porzingis. This is absolutely insane.

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Post#497 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:36 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Please share your updated opinions on the team cancer. Now that it's not the off-season and they are actually playing games
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Post#498 » by Woodsanity » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:41 pm

I dont know why people ever thought Smart was a better player than Porzingis.

Porzingis has always been an all star or at worse fringe all star level player. The only problem was his health.

Somehow Porzingis has been relatively healthy this season but no matter what even if he wasnt you have to take the risk.

A player of Porzingis caliber is enough to give the Celtics the extra sauce needed to be a contender if healthy.
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Post#499 » by azcatz11 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:50 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:Boston got fleeced. I would not do smart for porzingis. This is absolutely insane.

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Post#500 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:06 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
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azcatz11 wrote:Boston got fleeced. I would not do smart for porzingis. This is absolutely insane.

Tell us more please


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