Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[Vampirate]

Neither Tatum nor Ja Morant are real superstars, though.



And one day, when he is actually good at things besides volume, that will matter. But he won't be a superstar anywhere but in the media.

How is Tatum anything but a superstar tbh? Finishes high in MVP voting, best player on a perennial conference finals team and has absurd stats while being a two-way force. lol

Who are the superstars in your opinion then? Must be like 3 maybe 4 guys max

I think everyone has their own interpretation of what a superstar is. Some think there’s only 3-4 superstars in the league at any given time, others think top 15-20 players are superstars.

I just go by.

Can you win a championship with this player as your best player. Simple.

[Vampirate]

To add.

I think the levels are

Starter
Fringe All Star
All Star
All NBA
Superstar
All Timer

[tsherkin]

How is Tatum anything but a superstar tbh? Finishes high in MVP voting, best player on a perennial conference finals team and has absurd stats while being a two-way force. lol

Not good enough at either end for me to classify him as a superstar. Also HIGHLY streaky because he's a mid-efficacy volume 3pt shooter with a weak middle game and generally a pretty tepid draw rate.

Who are the superstars in your opinion then? Must be like 3 maybe 4 guys max

Yep. There aren't many in any given season. "Superstar" is a big label. They don't grow on trees.

[Raps in 4]

Ja Morant is considered one, but people would take Tatum over him. Tatum is one but people would take Jokic over him.

Neither Tatum nor Ja Morant are real superstars, though.

People are high of Anthony Edwards,

And one day, when he is actually good at things besides volume, that will matter. But he won't be a superstar anywhere but in the media.

Tatum absolutely is. He's not the uppermost tier, but he's damn close. He's easily a top-10 player.

[tsherkin]

Tatum absolutely is. He's not the uppermost tier, but he's damn close. He's easily a top-10 player.

Top 10 isn't a superstar. That's a very good player, but not top tier in the league.

[Raps in 4]

How is Tatum anything but a superstar tbh? Finishes high in MVP voting, best player on a perennial conference finals team and has absurd stats while being a two-way force. lol

Not good enough at either end for me to classify him as a superstar. Also HIGHLY streaky because he's a mid-efficacy volume 3pt shooter with a weak middle game and generally a pretty tepid draw rate.

Who are the superstars in your opinion then? Must be like 3 maybe 4 guys max

Yep. There aren't many in any given season. "Superstar" is a big label. They don't grow on trees.

To me, a superstar is anyone you could win a title with. Some guys will need more help than others, but I absolutely think Tatum fits that bill. The Celtics were 2 games away from winning a title with him as their best player.

[tsherkin]

To me, a superstar is anyone you could win a title with. Some guys will need more help than others, but I absolutely think Tatum fits that bill. The Celtics were 2 games away from winning a title with him as their best player.

I disagree with you. But it's surely subjective. I consider the superstar label to be more exclusive than 10 players in the league. I hold that label to a higher standard. Meantime, Tatum is a borderline top 10 offensive player and a strong individual wing defender and that's nice but it isn't first tier in the league. If you aren't first tier in the league (and he clearly isn't), then you are not a superstar in my book.

[KL78192020]

Scottie is our best player. Shocker the 4th pick in the draft is good, but hey tanking doesn't work. Imagine we had top picks in 2022 and this year. With a core of guys like Barnes/Chet and another top pick this year.

[HiJiNX]

Superstars in the league right now imo:

Lebron
Steph
KD
Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Kawhi (when healthy)

That’s it, in my opinion. Five of those guys will be decrepit or out of the league by the time Barnes hits his prime. Wemby of course will leap into that superstar tier by year three if he stays healthy. So that leaves a few spots open in that top tier.

Who from the new guard will join Luka, Jokic and Wemby as superstars? Are they in the league yet? Can Barnes be one of them?

[HKBOY]

Superstars in the league right now imo:

Lebron
Steph
KD
Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Kawhi (when healthy)

That’s it, in my opinion. Five of those guys will be decrepit or out of the league by the time Barnes hits his prime. Wemby of course will leap into that superstar tier by year three if he stays healthy. So that leaves a few spots open in that top tier.

Who from the new guard will join Luka, Jokic and Wemby as superstars? Are they in the league yet? Can Barnes be one of them?

Tatum, Shai, Ja, Cade and Zion (if he can stay healthy but that seems unlikely). Barnes can get there if he tightens up his handle and can shoot the 3 consistently at 35%+.

[HumbleRen]

He’s currently shooting 75% on mid range shots and 37% on 3’s.

Not sustainable at all so we’ll see how he counters that with other parts of his game as the season goes along. I think he can be even more aggressive with his drives to the rim and supplement it with that.

It’s only at 7.7 drives per game. Needs to boost that up to 10 +.

[tsherkin]

He’s currently shooting 75% on mid range shots and 37% on 3’s.

85.7% on 16+ foot 2s, about 15% of his total shooting volume. Kinda trash in close, too, under 67% from 0-3. Back up to 50% from 3-10. Trash FTr. 3 games in.

Nothing really to glean from the particulars right now, only the aesthetic. He's looking good, so we'll have to watch how it all shakes out over the rest of the season.

[Madhouse]

He’s currently shooting 75% on mid range shots and 37% on 3’s.

Not sustainable at all so we’ll see how he counters that with other parts of his game as the season goes along. I think he can be even more aggressive with his drives to the rim and supplement it with that.

It’s only at 7.7 drives per game. Needs to boost that up to 10 +.

Being aggressive and drawing fouls is what he needs to accomplish more.

[HumbleRen]

He’s currently shooting 75% on mid range shots and 37% on 3’s.

Not sustainable at all so we’ll see how he counters that with other parts of his game as the season goes along. I think he can be even more aggressive with his drives to the rim and supplement it with that.

It’s only at 7.7 drives per game. Needs to boost that up to 10 +.

Being aggressive and drawing fouls is what he needs to accomplish more.

Yeah.

10 FT's through 3 games is no where good enough if he wants to continue being a driving force of offence.

[OakleyDokely]

37.3 MIN, 21.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 6.7 AST, 3.0 BLK, 0.7 STL, .565 FG, .364 3PT, .700 FT, .625 TS, 24.6 USG

Great start for Scottie.

[Spates]

Superstars in the league right now imo:

Lebron
Steph
KD
Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Kawhi (when healthy)

That’s it, in my opinion. Five of those guys will be decrepit or out of the league by the time Barnes hits his prime. Wemby of course will leap into that superstar tier by year three if he stays healthy. So that leaves a few spots open in that top tier.

Who from the new guard will join Luka, Jokic and Wemby as superstars? Are they in the league yet? Can Barnes be one of them?

I think yes. The guys you listed are high floor players night in and night out. High floor meaning that even during their 'bad' games they make a significant impact. Granted we have a tiny sample but Scottie has been that kinda player so far this season. What makes a star a superstar is the combination of nightly high floors with their destructive force. The inability to do anything about them. I hope Scottie can get there. But at minimum I think he'll be a Lowry type of star by which he elevates a team night by night.

I hope that makes sense.

[kwajo]

37.3 MIN, 21.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 6.7 AST, 3.0 BLK, 0.7 STL, .565 FG, .364 3PT, .700 FT, .625 TS, 24.6 USG

Great start for Scottie.

On that note, Scottie is #1 in the league in blocks per game right now, pretty amazing.


[I know, I know, it's only a few games, but still]

[tsherkin]

On that note, Scottie is #1 in the league in blocks per game right now, pretty amazing.


[I know, I know, it's only a few games, but still]

He had 5 in the first game and that's driving it, but he's been pretty active, so even once it settles down, it'll be something to keep an eye on as positive from him, for sure.

I think yes. The guys you listed are high floor players night in and night out. High floor meaning that even during their 'bad' games they make a significant impact. Granted we have a tiny sample but Scottie has been that kinda player so far this season. What makes a star a superstar is the combination of nightly high floors with their destructive force. The inability to do anything about them. I hope Scottie can get their. But at minimum I think he'll be a Lowry type of star by which he elevates a team night by night.

I hope that makes sense.

The sample we have right now isn't really helpful because it's specifically unsustainable. We need to see how he reacts when his J isn't falling, and if he can boost his draw rate and drive more. He's been pretty active, though, in a variety of different ways. It'll be nice to see how he ultimately shakes out.

[Duffman100]

37.3 MIN, 21.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 6.7 AST, 3.0 BLK, 0.7 STL, .565 FG, .364 3PT, .700 FT, .625 TS, 24.6 USG

Great start for Scottie.

On that note, Scottie is #1 in the league in blocks per game right now, pretty amazing.


[I know, I know, it's only a few games, but still]

Still wouldn't have seen that coming.

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie is our best player. Shocker the 4th pick in the draft is good, but hey tanking doesn't work. Imagine we had top picks in 2022 and this year. With a core of guys like Barnes/Chet and another top pick this year.

All we need to do is pick the best player in the draft every year and we would be awesome!