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LofJ · Post #421 » by **LofJ** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:27 pm

Imagine what fans/media would be saying about Miller and the Hornets if he started off this bad.

Post #422 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:12 pm

Media rarely mentions the Hornets at all from what I can find, there doesn't seem to be a beat writer on the Athletic, for instance. There is barely one for the Observer for that matter.

The only reason you guys are so traumatized by what other fans write is because you go looking for it on the general board and the Bobcat originating version of the franchise has been typically bad-awful and bad at drafting, so they've usually been right. Felton, May, Morrison, Augustin, Ajinca, MKG, Vonleh, Kaminsky, Bouknight, Kai is not a killer list and the hits are Kemba, Zeller, Okafor, Ball (often injured), Miles, Washington, Mark, not Duren. Add the controversy, add the Atkinson situation, it's low hanging fruit for idiots and you're giving them what they want by engaging.

Bassman · Post #423 » by **Bassman** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:15 pm

LofJ wrote:Imagine what fans/media would be saying about Miller and the Hornets if he started off this bad.

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Scoot will have bad games. Miller was the better pick!

wilson115 · Post #424 » by **wilson115** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:29 am

Great win for DET despite an unreal 51 from Zach Lavine thanks to effort like this. Good hard-working young team.

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JMAC3 · Post #425 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:25 pm

fatlever wrote:I just don't understand your fascination with Oubre on this roster this season, having two years of evidence showing he was not helpful
1) oubre cuts into Miller's minutes
2) oubre pouts about lack of playing time

oubre would have been the 6th wing in the rotation if everyone was healthy OR he takes minutes from Miller, Miles, Hayward, Terry, or Cody. Even with injuries and suspension, he would be 4th wing right now.

mitch made his bed regarding oubre when he drafted miller and nick smith jr, on top of his other two project wings on the roster.

Yeah, can't believe Sixers signed him. He is only going to be cutting into Maxey, Melton, Harden, Springer and Beverly minutes. Having depth is a really really bad thing.

Hornets have been super healthy and zero legal troubles over the past few years. Better to cross your fingers and hope everyone plays 65+ games. I mean what could go wrong with Hayward, Miles and Martin... they are a group full of consistency.

MPM · Post #426 » by **MPM** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:46 pm

Oubre is such a strange and beautiful hill to die on.

JMAC3 · Post #427 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:18 pm

MPM wrote:Oubre is such a strange and beautiful hill to die on.

So is preferring to give roster spots to inferior players like McGowens, Ish Smith, Bouknight, Thor....

In no world are those 4 guys going to have more impact this year then what Oubre would have given us.

Post #428 » by **fatlever** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:11 pm

None of us want bouknight on the roster. We all universally agree on that point, so stop using that as justification for why we should have kept kelly. Bryce and Thor are whatever.

You continue to ignore the fact that if Kelly was kept on the roster, he would take playing time away from Brandon Miller... or Miles, Hayward, Terry, PJ and Cody when healthy. If we are trying to win, all of those players give us a better chance than Kelly does.

Kelly was never going to be happy being a part-time bench player on this team. He wanted minutes.

If we get destroyed by injuries again like last year none of it matters. Kelly isn't going to help us win games. In that scenario, the best thing to do is play the young guys and see what you have. Give minutes to Nick Smith Bryce and Thor and figure out which ones are worth keeping. Adding Kelly to that mix does nothing but inflate his empty stats like last year.

I am all in favor of this team needing more veterans who can actually contribute to winning now. But Kelly is not what we need. We are very deep at the wings. We desperately need help at point guard and at center, Kelly solves neither of those things. We desperately need three point shooting, but not in the form of a 32% Gunner who takes threes every time the ball touches his hands. Nothing that Kelly does contributes to us winning more games. All he does is take minutes away from either the veterans that deserve to play over him, takes minutes away from young guys that we need to see if they're worth keeping around, or he's on the bench sulking because he's not playing. None of those things are helping us.

Kelly is exactly where he needs to be, on a team like Philly where he can come off the bench and get up as many shots as he needs and the defense doesn't focus on him cuz they're all collapsing on Embiid.

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JMAC3 · Post #429 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:55 pm

Yeah, not sure you get what I am saying, my argument isn't that Oubre would have been a major factor 2 games in.

You saying he won't play over Miller, Miles, Hayward, Terry, PJ or Cody when healthy. Sure, I have no issues with that. That is 6 guys for 3 positions, so yeah if anyone of them is out for even 1 game Oubre takes that spot and keeps us 2 deep at said position. Similar to how Jalen McDaniels was used over the last few years.

McDaniels over the last 2 years averaged 22 mpg over 100+ games. So yeah, I would have given Oubre 8-10 million to fill that role.

JMAC3 · Post #430 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:01 pm

Scoot Henderson has the worst PER I have ever seen -2, dead last so far.
He also has -16.4 bpm which is also dead last in league.
Dead last in ws/48 as well.

Hornets wise JT Thor has been awful, 4.8 PER which is bottom 10 in the league.

Post #431 » by **Diop** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:48 pm

Oubre is in a position that suits him best, on an established team where he can fire up shots off the bench.

JMAC3 · Post #432 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:05 pm

AJ Griffin is barely playing for Hawks, like legit 8 mpg. Is he awful on defense?

Post #433 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 6:12 am

Wemby is **** ridiculous

Post #434 » by **Diop** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 7:08 am

yeah he's unstoppable

bravor · Post #435 » by **bravor** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:42 am

Well, he can be stopped, at the very least in fiba bball. We will see if many teams slow down the pace/tempo to make him work on half court sets. And some teams will throw some mobile bigs (along with dirty stuff to test is selfcontrol)
But he's competitive, i would expect him to have more impact on clutch blocks/steals than on any shot. Even though with all the crazy mismatch he can get, it would be stupid not to use his skillset.

The crazy thing is that he has not the 'superstar label' and is not geting to the line every second, while he's fouled pretty often in the paint.

Still hope he can show up his passing skill more often as he defintely is a great passer with great court vision. He should become a legit (aka not stat padding stuff) triple double threat.

Glad he's in SA after all. They play him where they should, he really needs to remain at the pf spot. I just hope he won't have the Oden 'treatment' and remain relatively thin as his mobility makes him special.

I just hope Soliman will keep developing,and not grow up too much. But in couple years (he's barely 15), we could have two legit phenomenon in the nba (unfortunately still no legit pg but that's another story).

amcoolio · Post #436 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 12:59 pm

Yeah I’m not glad he’s in SA. We needed him badly. SA has won a lot of titles this century. Gods are cruel making us miss by one spot again. Not going to give kudos to SA for winning another lucky lottery.

Liver_Pooty · Post #437 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 1:03 pm

JMAC3 wrote:AJ Griffin is barely playing for Hawks, like legit 8 mpg. Is he awful on defense?

Used to be a solid defender unless that's changed

MPM · Post #438 » by **MPM** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 1:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Wemby is **** ridiculous

Some of the things he does are bonkers. That jab step, side step three last night? Bonkers.

Post #439 » by **fatlever** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:18 pm

What's all this chatter about team unity and bonding both the sun's and/or nets with hotel girls?

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Bassman · Post #440 » by **Bassman** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:28 pm

MPM wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Wemby is **** ridiculous

Some of the things he does are bonkers. That jab step, side step three last night? Bonkers.

Yeah, all this. For a young guy/rookie to start grooving in this soon on a 38 point game is royalty level. Yes there will be nights he struggles but you can see the recognition and confidence in his play. Wemby would have been amazing here, or most anywhere, but alas, we are the NBA version of the pre-title Chicago Cubs. Can’t catch a big break.

Now, having said that, we’ve had two top 3 picks in Melo (star quality uncertainty) and Miller (looks really good but too early to pronounce). Williams looks like a winner. Had we not screwed up the draft on Bouk/Kai, and not dealt Duren away for a nothing burger, ……

Oh well….hey look at that Wemby kid…WOW!