2023-2024 Regular Season Game 3: Orlando Magic (2-0) at Los Angeles Lakers (1-2) - 10:30pm

D12VCMagic · Post #861 » by **D12VCMagic** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:33 am

At least Orlando City won a playoff game tonight I guess.

GameOver25 · Post #862 » by **GameOver25** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:33 am

thelead wrote:I do wonder what it's going to take for AB and Jett to get minutes other than just injuries. I can't imagine two lotto picks are just going to rack up DNPs all season... especially on a team that is no where near contending.

Yeah at some point decisions have to be made.

Rainwater · Post #863 » by **Rainwater** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:34 am

D12VCMagic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:
You 100% take out Paolo. He can’t shoot and played an atrocious game. We needed a three and we left our shooters on the bench. No way people can seriously justify it lol.

What team takes arguably their best player off the court? lol. That doesn't happen.

Paolo is not our best player. It also comes down to knowing the situation. Leaving your shooters on the bench when you need a three is legitimate madness. Not to mention what kind of play did we even attempt to draw up? Franz just chucked an awful shot from deep when we had plenty of time to run a play. Preferably for the guy that was automatic from three.

I'm just stating the reality of it you aren't benching your best player during a last second shot. It makes no sense.

ibraheim718 · Post #864 » by **ibraheim718** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:34 am

They missed an abnormal amount of shots around the bucket tonight also.

Post #865 » by **Bensational** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:35 am

Paolo and Cole dragged the team down today. Bad offense, failed to create for others and played turnstile defense. With the significance of their roles they need to be giving us a lot more.

Cole really needs to split point duties off the bench. Harris going 6-6 from 3 but only getting 1 assist from the PG he shared the court with is disgusting. Let Cole hunt for buckets, but stagger Franz or Paolo, or bring in Black to make sure everyone else gets involved.

pinoynurse · Post #866 » by **pinoynurse** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:35 am

ibraheim718 wrote:The end of a game like this one is why you drafted Paolo. Unfortunately it wasn't his night so you couldn't in good conscience go there. His Jumper doesn't have any snap to it. There is something definitely wrong with it.. whether it's injury or a change in mechanics in order to shoot the 3 better.

oh wow, havent seen you around in a long time since TheGlyde started that basketball ninjas thing. Good to see your still around

Rainwater · Post #867 » by **Rainwater** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:35 am

thelead wrote:I do wonder what it's going to take for AB and Jett to get minutes other than just injuries. I can't imagine two lotto picks are just going to rack up DNPs all season... especially on a team that is no where near contending.

They'll eventually get mins, just not right now.

D12VCMagic · Post #868 » by **D12VCMagic** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:36 am

Knightro wrote:If it were me, the very first order of business would be a consolidation trade.

Package 3 or even 4 guys plus draft picks and actually go out and get a higher end starting guard or a higher end forward capable of playing 20-25 really good minutes a night off the bench.

Don’t move any of Franz, Paolo, Suggs, Carter, Black or Jett. That’s your core group.

I agree with this except for Carter being part of the core. WCJ is mid. We shouldn’t just try and dump him, but I wouldn’t spend a second thinking about trading him if it helps upgrade the roster.

Post #869 » by **SOUL** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:38 am

Our best players need to make shots. I don't think benching Paolo is the move there if we want him to take the next step.

MasterGMer · Post #870 » by **MasterGMer** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:38 am

Several things I saw from tonight's game:

a. We do not have a rim protector. Lakers exposed us on our offensive end with AD's shot blocking presence in the paint. It is obvious. And we do not have that presence on our defensive end at all. They exposed us.

b. Spacing. Markelle was great in the 4th Q but through out the game he struggled with shots. Our spacing all around is just not great. Paolo struggled with shots and Wendell was not a factor in making long range jumper either

c. We do not have an alpha player that comes in in the 4th Q to take over the game. That was the problem

d. Suggs can be our 3rd best player on the team and Gary Harris is much better than last season

VFX · Post #871 » by **VFX** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:38 am

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Positive takeaway is that Orlando’s defense is real and we are a pretty deep team.

Offensively they have some work to do.

The depth is subtly a bit of a curse too though if Mosley insists on playing 10 guys with 5 reserves at the same time *and* isn’t playing either lotto pick.

That whole pesky “were not purely developing, but we’re also not going all out trying to win” thing.

Yeah that’s a bit of the rotation criticism I’m sure.

The bench feels solid, but I just question maybe staggering them a bit(?) They are very rigid.

D12VCMagic · Post #872 » by **D12VCMagic** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:39 am

Rainwater wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
What team takes arguably their best player off the court? lol. That doesn't happen.

Paolo is not our best player. It also comes down to knowing the situation. Leaving your shooters on the bench when you need a three is legitimate madness. Not to mention what kind of play did we even attempt to draw up? Franz just chucked an awful shot from deep when we had plenty of time to run a play. Preferably for the guy that was automatic from three.

I'm just stating the reality of it you aren't benching your best player during a last second shot. It makes no sense.

Again, Paolo is not our best player. The situation called for a three, so you put guys that can make threes out there. We left our shooters on the bench for brick layers and then didnt even run a play. Just gave the ball to Franz to chuck up a deep three with time on the clock. It’s coaching malpractice plain and simple.

MasterGMer · Post #873 » by **MasterGMer** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:39 am

Bensational wrote:Paolo and Cole dragged the team down today. Bad offense, failed to create for others and played turnstile defense. With the significance of their roles they need to be giving us a lot more.

Cole really needs to split point duties off the bench. Harris going 6-6 from 3 but only getting 1 assist from the PG he shared the court with is disgusting. Let Cole hunt for buckets, but stagger Franz or Paolo, or bring in Black to make sure everyone else gets involved.

How was Cole a problem in tonight's game? :roll:

Rainwater · Post #874 » by **Rainwater** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:40 am

D12VCMagic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:
You 100% take out Paolo. He can’t shoot and played an atrocious game. We needed a three and we left our shooters on the bench. No way people can seriously justify it lol.

What team takes arguably their best player off the court? lol. That doesn't happen.

Paolo is not our best player. It also comes down to knowing the situation. Leaving your shooters on the bench when you need a three is legitimate madness. Not to mention what kind of play did we even attempt to draw up? Franz just chucked an awful shot from deep when we had plenty of time to run a play. Preferably for the guy that was automatic from three.

Lol, Just saw your first sentence. In your eyes he isn't the best player but to most he is, lol. Can't imagine keeping the number one pick, rookie of the year, Olympic Athlete on the bench for a key moment. This is not reality, lol.

ibraheim718 · Post #875 » by **ibraheim718** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:41 am

Paolo 13 6 and 4.5 is starting to worry me.

Rainwater · Post #876 » by **Rainwater** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:44 am

D12VCMagic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:
Paolo is not our best player. It also comes down to knowing the situation. Leaving your shooters on the bench when you need a three is legitimate madness. Not to mention what kind of play did we even attempt to draw up? Franz just chucked an awful shot from deep when we had plenty of time to run a play. Preferably for the guy that was automatic from three.

I'm just stating the reality of it you aren't benching your best player during a last second shot. It makes no sense.

Again, Paolo is not our best player. The situation called for a three, so you put guys that can make threes out there. We left our shooters on the bench for brick layers and then didnt even run a play. Just gave the ball to Franz to chuck up a deep three with time on the clock. It’s coaching malpractice plain and simple.

Dude it's not happening, just because you think he isn't our because doesn't make it reality. There is 0 chance Paolo is getting benched in that situation. I'm sorry.

Post #877 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:44 am

SOUL wrote:Our best players need to make shots. I don't think benching Paolo is the move there if we want him to take the next step.

100% The shots were there. Just got to knock them down.

thelead · Post #878 » by **thelead** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:45 am

Mosley's in-game coaching is questionable but there is no doubt that he has his team ready to fight every night. Besides player growth, we may need established coaches next to Mose to help out with in-game management. I could be completely off-base but I do like it when good teams bring in good ex-head coaches as assistants.

As frustrated as I get with the rigid rotations and the lack of in-game adjustments (JI on LeBron was good to see tonight), I'm still a Mose fan.

We now need him to work his player development magic on Paolo. Paolo is the key to everything.

fateis007 · Post #879 » by **fateis007** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:46 am

Knightro wrote:If it were me, the very first order of business would be a consolidation trade.

Package 3 or even 4 guys plus draft picks and actually go out and get a higher end starting guard or a higher end forward capable of playing 20-25 really good minutes a night off the bench.

Don’t move any of Franz, Paolo, Suggs, Carter, Black or Jett. That’s your core group.

We are 2-1 and almost won this last one. You went from 0 to 100 real fast. a "4 player" trade 3 games into the season would be unfounded and probably a first ever.

thelead · Post #880 » by **thelead** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:48 am

AB playing over Ingles needs to happen soon. Cole isn't a PG and we need AB's skills out there with the second unit.