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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1081 » by AshBlackstone » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:12 pm

Skybox wrote:
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AshBlackstone wrote:Your first round picks should have significant roles in your rotation from day 1.

Black and Howard playing this little is unacceptable. We are not a title team, and they need minutes.


Well, it’s not a surprise. Everybody was expecting a consolidation trade after drafting two guards, while already having a logjam there. But our lazy FO is so afraid of doing any mistake and losing a trade, they rather do nothing and call it „evaluation“


If only we had a shooter…oh wait (I know it’s a Black thread, but…)



Exactly. Jett Howard, a shooter on a team that can’t shoot, isn’t seeing the floor. What are we doing?
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1082 » by eyriq » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:23 pm

AshBlackstone wrote:
Skybox wrote:
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Well, it’s not a surprise. Everybody was expecting a consolidation trade after drafting two guards, while already having a logjam there. But our lazy FO is so afraid of doing any mistake and losing a trade, they rather do nothing and call it „evaluation“


If only we had a shooter…oh wait (I know it’s a Black thread, but…)



Exactly. Jett Howard, a shooter on a team that can’t shoot, isn’t seeing the floor. What are we doing?
We are being stupid. We've got this idea that the team has a special culture and can reproduce the heart&hustle epicness, so everyone is vulnerable and the best player will get the most opportunities.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1083 » by basketballRob » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:28 pm

Rookies are never effective, especially when they're young. I wouldn't mind seeing them on the second night of B2Bs and give some other players a rest.

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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1084 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:00 pm

basketballRob wrote:Rookies are never effective, especially when they're young. I wouldn't mind seeing them on the second night of B2Bs and give some other players a rest.

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rookies make more mistakes and grow...they're certainly not useless, especially on a young lottery team like ours that doesn't have a championship run at stake.

Ask Brandon Miller, Ausur Thompson, Lively among others...these are raw NBA players, but they're not HS kids without any hope at all. The dismissal is a bit strong. We're not talking about 48 mins with multiple rookies on the floor at all times.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1085 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:00 pm

Actually, you can just ask Franz & Paolo if rookies suck across the board
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1086 » by AshBlackstone » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:01 pm

basketballRob wrote:Rookies are never effective, especially when they're young. I wouldn't mind seeing them on the second night of B2Bs and give some other players a rest.

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Rookies get better with playing time. They’re not effective because they are learning. Not playing them just delays that reality.

Players aren’t going to magically get better from not playing, and just practicing. That’s not a thing.

We are not a contender. These guys need 15-20 min a night to develop, and take their lumps.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1087 » by AshBlackstone » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:04 pm

Skybox wrote:Actually, you can just ask Franz & Paolo if rookies suck across the board




Even if they do suck, who cares? Playing time is how a player grows. There isn’t a cheat code where you just let rookies ride the pine, and they get better without ever struggling on the floor.

“We shouldn’t play rookies because rookies struggle” is among the worst NBA takes I’ve ever seen.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1088 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:07 pm

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Skybox wrote:Actually, you can just ask Franz & Paolo if rookies suck across the board




Even if they do suck, who cares? Playing time is how a player grows. There isn’t a cheat code where you just let rookies ride the pine, and they get better without ever struggling on the floor.

“We shouldn’t play rookies because rookies struggle” is among the worst NBA takes I’ve ever seen.


Right...MIL, GSW, and BOS can't afford to mess around and try things...we certainly can. Doesn't mean be stupid about it, but this is the time to see what we have and a good Coach and FO can see through the rookie mistakes and project what it will look like going forward.

I hope we have a good Coach and FO.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1089 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:57 pm

Skybox wrote:
AshBlackstone wrote:
Skybox wrote:Actually, you can just ask Franz & Paolo if rookies suck across the board




Even if they do suck, who cares? Playing time is how a player grows. There isn’t a cheat code where you just let rookies ride the pine, and they get better without ever struggling on the floor.

“We shouldn’t play rookies because rookies struggle” is among the worst NBA takes I’ve ever seen.


Right...MIL, GSW, and BOS can't afford to mess around and try things...we certainly can. Doesn't mean be stupid about it, but this is the time to see what we have and a good Coach and FO can see through the rookie mistakes and project what it will look like going forward.

I hope we have a good Coach and FO.


We have a core we are focused on first. Drafting rookies didn’t change our current core.

If you are questioning or coach and FO, I can’t take you seriously.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1090 » by Skin » Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:05 pm

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Skybox wrote:
AshBlackstone wrote:


Even if they do suck, who cares? Playing time is how a player grows. There isn’t a cheat code where you just let rookies ride the pine, and they get better without ever struggling on the floor.

“We shouldn’t play rookies because rookies struggle” is among the worst NBA takes I’ve ever seen.


Right...MIL, GSW, and BOS can't afford to mess around and try things...we certainly can. Doesn't mean be stupid about it, but this is the time to see what we have and a good Coach and FO can see through the rookie mistakes and project what it will look like going forward.

I hope we have a good Coach and FO.


We have a core we are focused on first. Drafting rookies didn’t change our current core.

If you are questioning or coach and FO, I can’t take you seriously.

We came into the season with 2 lottery picks and a boat load of cap space.

PHX added Beal. BOS added Porzingis. LAC just added Harden to Kawhi, George, & Westbrook. GS even added CP3. We're twiddling our fingers here thinking that our existing core has a chance at anything other than a playoff birth in a weak East.... and we can't question our coach or front office? Of course we can. WHERE ARE OUR STAR PLAYERS??? This is year 6 for Weltman!
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1091 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:00 pm

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If you are questioning or coach and FO, I can’t take you seriously.


If you would even type those words, I can't take you seriously :nonono:
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1092 » by basketballRob » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:01 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Rookies are never effective, especially when they're young. I wouldn't mind seeing them on the second night of B2Bs and give some other players a rest.

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rookies make more mistakes and grow...they're certainly not useless, especially on a young lottery team like ours that doesn't have a championship run at stake.

Ask Brandon Miller, Ausur Thompson, Lively among others...these are raw NBA players, but they're not HS kids without any hope at all. The dismissal is a bit strong. We're not talking about 48 mins with multiple rookies on the floor at all times.
They aren't older


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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1093 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Rookies are never effective, especially when they're young. I wouldn't mind seeing them on the second night of B2Bs and give some other players a rest.

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rookies make more mistakes and grow...they're certainly not useless, especially on a young lottery team like ours that doesn't have a championship run at stake.

Ask Brandon Miller, Ausur Thompson, Lively among others...these are raw NBA players, but they're not HS kids without any hope at all. The dismissal is a bit strong. We're not talking about 48 mins with multiple rookies on the floor at all times.
They aren't older


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Huh?
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1094 » by basketballRob » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:06 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
rookies make more mistakes and grow...they're certainly not useless, especially on a young lottery team like ours that doesn't have a championship run at stake.

Ask Brandon Miller, Ausur Thompson, Lively among others...these are raw NBA players, but they're not HS kids without any hope at all. The dismissal is a bit strong. We're not talking about 48 mins with multiple rookies on the floor at all times.
They aren't older


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Huh?
I meant that Thompson and Miller are both one year older. Thompson and Miller are the same age as Paolo.

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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1095 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:22 pm

We are in a great position.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1096 » by AshBlackstone » Wed Nov 1, 2023 3:30 am

RichCollab wrote:
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Even if they do suck, who cares? Playing time is how a player grows. There isn’t a cheat code where you just let rookies ride the pine, and they get better without ever struggling on the floor.

“We shouldn’t play rookies because rookies struggle” is among the worst NBA takes I’ve ever seen.


Right...MIL, GSW, and BOS can't afford to mess around and try things...we certainly can. Doesn't mean be stupid about it, but this is the time to see what we have and a good Coach and FO can see through the rookie mistakes and project what it will look like going forward.

I hope we have a good Coach and FO.


We have a core we are focused on first. Drafting rookies didn’t change our current core.

If you are questioning or coach and FO, I can’t take you seriously.




What core? We have Banchero and role players. There aren’t any non rookies on this team with star upside aside from Paolo.

Paolo, Wagner, and maybe Carter deserve 30 min a night. No one else should be getting heavy minutes at the cost of playing our two first rounders at all.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1097 » by AshBlackstone » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:07 pm

Markelle Fultz played 32 minutes last night. Has only attempted three 3 pointers in 4 games, and missed them all.

Guards who can’t shoot need to be elite facilitators. He’s not that, so why is he playing north of 30 minutes while Anthony Black has played a total of 9 minutes?

I didn’t even want Black, but you need to be playing your top pick when you’re rebuilding. With each game that passes, an opportunity is missed to either start this player’s development, or discover that he ain’t it.

We already know Markelle Fultz ain’t it. He’s in his 7th year. He’s at his ceiling, just some of you can’t admit it.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1098 » by neuraldarwinism » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:37 pm

yeah ab definitely needs to be in the rotation at bare minimum.

If you cant shoot reliably as a guard you need to be able to play elite defense, be willing to shoot, have elite basketball iq, and or be able to get to the line. preferably, at least two of these.

beyond the 3 point shooting my biggest concern has been fultz sporadic willingness to take open mid range shots and that he has only been to the line 1 time. he is also far from an elite play maker.

i'd expect some rotation changes made around 10-15 games based on mosley's public statements. at the very least, seems pretty easy to pull ingles if he cant score or defend.

also skeptical of what gary harris looks like when his high variance shooting goes back to normal--eventually will give jett an opening.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1099 » by SloNick Russia » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:37 pm

Well Fultz ass/to ratio kind of proves you wrong on his playmaking value.

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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#1100 » by pepe1991 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 7:20 pm

If you install Black in rotation, you only get even worst shooting from guards.

This is pretty much biggest reason why so many of us were crying whole summer ,after draft, about need for consolidation
trade(s).
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