Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Residual-Heat]

So is there any more steam on the Trade Suggs bandwagon?

What a flawed player. His low IQ lead to another chaotic zero-not-a-hero moment. Should've never been in the game.

Horrendous take for so many reasons. First if he isn’t in the game we likely don’t get the rebound and extra shot. But more importantly, how could any fan of this team over the past 10 years look at the effort he gave all game and emotions afterwards and not absolutely be in love.

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

Measuring his defensive impact with steals is just silly. Suggs was all over the court yesterday making winning plays. He hurt the team more than he helped? Why did he have the highest +/- at +10? Next closest starter was WCJ at +2. I dont know how you can watch yesterdays game and think "yeah we should trade Suggs", unless you didnt watch.

[VFX]

So is there any more steam on the Trade Suggs bandwagon?

What a flawed player. His low IQ lead to another chaotic zero-not-a-hero moment. Should've never been in the game.

Horrendous take for so many reasons. First if he isn’t in the game we likely don’t get the rebound and extra shot. But more importantly, how could any fan of this team over the past 10 years look at the effort he gave all game and emotions afterwards and not absolutely be in love.

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

You are watching box scores and espn clip summaries of the game.

Orlando is nowhere near winning this game last night without Suggs on BOTH ends of the floor.

[Skin]

Horrendous take for so many reasons. First if he isn’t in the game we likely don’t get the rebound and extra shot. But more importantly, how could any fan of this team over the past 10 years look at the effort he gave all game and emotions afterwards and not absolutely be in love.

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

Measuring his defensive impact with steals is just silly. Suggs was all over the court yesterday making winning plays. He hurt the team more than he helped? Why did he have the highest +/- at +10? Next closest starter was WCJ at +2. I dont know how you can watch yesterdays game and think "yeah we should trade Suggs", unless you didnt watch.

LOL, if I take that angle, then yay! He BOOSTED his trade stalk! Too bad +/- is the most inconsistent, useless indicator of the true value of a player.

[Residual-Heat]

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

Measuring his defensive impact with steals is just silly. Suggs was all over the court yesterday making winning plays. He hurt the team more than he helped? Why did he have the highest +/- at +10? Next closest starter was WCJ at +2. I dont know how you can watch yesterdays game and think "yeah we should trade Suggs", unless you didnt watch.

LOL, if I take that angle, then yay! He BOOSTED his trade stalk! Too bad +/- is the most inconsistent, useless indicator of the true value of a player.

Its definitely better than trying to measure is defensive and hustle impact with steals. Even the Lakers commentators were praising him at the end of the game. Anyway, you can believe what you want to, Suggs' impact was clear yesterday. The reason we lost is because Franz and Paolo combined for 9/31 shooting.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Measuring his defensive impact with steals is just silly. Suggs was all over the court yesterday making winning plays. He hurt the team more than he helped? Why did he have the highest +/- at +10? Next closest starter was WCJ at +2. I dont know how you can watch yesterdays game and think "yeah we should trade Suggs", unless you didnt watch.

LOL, if I take that angle, then yay! He BOOSTED his trade stalk! Too bad +/- is the most inconsistent, useless indicator of the true value of a player.

Its definitely better than trying to measure is defensive and hustle impact with steals. Even the Lakers commentators were praising him at the end of the game. Anyway, you can believe what you want to, Suggs' impact was clear yesterday. The reason we lost is because Franz and Paolo combined for 9/31 shooting.

Correct in capacity did we lose because of Suggs.

[Skin]

Measuring his defensive impact with steals is just silly. Suggs was all over the court yesterday making winning plays. He hurt the team more than he helped? Why did he have the highest +/- at +10? Next closest starter was WCJ at +2. I dont know how you can watch yesterdays game and think "yeah we should trade Suggs", unless you didnt watch.

LOL, if I take that angle, then yay! He BOOSTED his trade stalk! Too bad +/- is the most inconsistent, useless indicator of the true value of a player.

Its definitely better than trying to measure is defensive and hustle impact with steals. Even the Lakers commentators were praising him at the end of the game. Anyway, you can believe what you want to, Suggs' impact was clear yesterday. The reason we lost is because Franz and Paolo combined for 9/31 shooting.

Fair enough, but it's a sad day and recipe for failure that Suggs is our end of game closer.

[zaymon]

Horrendous take for so many reasons. First if he isn’t in the game we likely don’t get the rebound and extra shot. But more importantly, how could any fan of this team over the past 10 years look at the effort he gave all game and emotions afterwards and not absolutely be in love.

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

You are watching box scores and espn clip summaries of the game.

Orlando is nowhere near winning this game last night without Suggs on BOTH ends of the floor.

I was almost certain part about Suggs was sarcastic. Suggs was the only reason we were in the game in the first place. Despite his all flaws he is a winning player, i would even say he is a championship level player. Not as #1 option, not as #2 option, maybe even not #3 option, but if i am building a winning team i want Suggs on it. Suggs is not the problem, problem is that Fultz/Suggs combo is the worst fit you can imagine.

[Bensational]

Why would you be down on Suggs of all players?

3 players kept us in that game last night: Suggs, Harris and Fultz. There’s only so much the support team can do when the lead guys aren’t hitting shots.

[Bensational]

This is the problem. The "Good game, nice effort" mentality wreaks and gets adored way too often. Bottom line he shot 4-12 and while Gary Harris shot 6-6 and 5-5 from 3. I blame Mosley more than Suggs tbh. I would NEVER have the ball in Suggs hand in the end of the game. He's a chaotic, poor ball handling, out of control type of player who will wing it and try his luck. His chaos normally works on defense, but yesterday he had 1 steal. Big whoop. He hurt the team more than he helped.

You are watching box scores and espn clip summaries of the game.

Orlando is nowhere near winning this game last night without Suggs on BOTH ends of the floor.

I was almost certain part about Suggs was sarcastic. Suggs was the only reason we were in the game in the first place. Despite his all flaws he is a winning player, i would even say he is a championship level player. Not as #1 option, not as #2 option, maybe even not #3 option, but if i am building a winning team i want Suggs on it. Suggs is not the problem, problem is that Fultz/Suggs combo is the worst fit you can imagine.

You’re right that you have to imagine it, because it’s not true. Fultz and Suggs are the best 2-man lineup amongst the starters and 2nd best overall on the team right now. They’re doing it with defense and pace. Suggs got his big shot moments last night (apart from the buzzer beater) thanks to Fultz assists.

If anything, I think our unconventional backcourt is a unique strength for us in the league. It’s definitely one of our biggest and most reliable right now.

[basketballRob]

Suggs is a player that's going to muck games up and make winning plays. We had plenty of opportunities to win last night, but all of the players outside of Gary Harris made boneheaded plays during the course of the game.



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[Skybox]

Suggs is the scariest guy on the roster to ponder trading...scary meaning - I don't want to face him in a couple years and see what he's become and what could have been. He's an impact player and a winner.

Whatever the opposite of "empty calorie stat guy" is...that's Suggs

[MasterGMer]

Suggs is not a winning player? Are you serious? If it is not because of his effort on the floor, we will never be in the games even.

I said it and I will say it again. With the trajectory of this young season, Suggs might be our 3rd best player on the team this season.

Prove me wrong guys

[Skin]

Suggs is not a winning player? Are you serious? If it is not because of his effort on the floor, we will never be in the games even.

I said it and I will say it again. With the trajectory of this young season, Suggs might be our 3rd best player on the team this season.

Prove me wrong guys

Suggs as the 3rd best player would only mean our team is sorry.

[Audi]

You are watching box scores and espn clip summaries of the game.

Orlando is nowhere near winning this game last night without Suggs on BOTH ends of the floor.

I was almost certain part about Suggs was sarcastic. Suggs was the only reason we were in the game in the first place. Despite his all flaws he is a winning player, i would even say he is a championship level player. Not as #1 option, not as #2 option, maybe even not #3 option, but if i am building a winning team i want Suggs on it. Suggs is not the problem, problem is that Fultz/Suggs combo is the worst fit you can imagine.

You’re right that you have to imagine it, because it’s not true. Fultz and Suggs are the best 2-man lineup amongst the starters and 2nd best overall on the team right now. They’re doing it with defense and pace. Suggs got his big shot moments last night (apart from the buzzer beater) thanks to Fultz assists.

If anything, I think our unconventional backcourt is a unique strength for us in the league. It’s definitely one of our biggest and most reliable right now.

I’m very interested in seeing how the two develop together. In many ways, they are the opposites in movement and game speed. This has to be a real headache on the floor for opposing teams. Suggs is a high octane charger that uses speed and muscle, Fultz is a sneaky shifter that uses varying speeds and handle finesse. Can see the differences in their different styles of defending as well. Fultz more of a pickpocket while Suggs is an absolute menace disrupter. Now if one of them could just hit some 3s consistently…

[pepe1991]

NBA.com and their lineups and any advanced stats after 3 games ( 4th isn't even added to data in this moment ) are usless on such small sample size.

Until teams play 10-15-20 games those numbers have no meaning because they are prone to massive changes based on blowout Ws and Ls. Our blowout W against Houston skyrocketed numbers, and sample size is 3 , that W makes 33% of sample.


But i just don't see need to watch Suggs and Fultz for 82 games to come to same conslusion i had before watching them play 0 games.
It's poor fit. One is mediocre shooter at best, other refuses to shoot from outside.
That poor fit gets that much worst once you figure Banchero also isn't comfortable shooting from outside, neither is Wendell.

Almost evey season preview that predicted us missing playoffs marked same reason why: lack of offense.

And now look at our results: 116 (against winless Houston). 102, 103 , 102.
We literally struggle to put up points. Forget efficiency, points.

[p0peye]

NBA.com and their lineups and any advanced stats after 3 games ( 4th isn't even added to data in this moment ) are usless on such small sample size.

Until teams play 10-15-20 games those numbers have no meaning because they are prone to massive changes based on blowout Ws and Ls. Our blowout W against Houston skyrocketed numbers, and sample size is 3 , that W makes 33% of sample.


But i just don't see need to watch Suggs and Fultz for 82 games to come to same conslusion i had before watching them play 0 games.
It's poor fit. One is mediocre shooter at best, other refuses to shoot from outside.
That poor fit gets that much worst once you figure Banchero also isn't comfortable shooting from outside, neither is Wendell.

Almost evey season preview that predicted us missing playoffs marked same reason why: lack of offense.

And now look at our results: 116 (against winless Houston). 102, 103 , 102.
We literally struggle to put up points. Forget efficiency, points.

With so many trades happening this offseason, in my opinion we have missed out a lot by staying put (paying out Ingles to retire here aside). This team, and by that I mean Franz and Paolo, need our FO to stand behind them and provide the support they need to grow. There's a lot of money invested in contracts for players which don't fit, are practically retired or are unlikely to play 30+ games due to injury risk.

We have sucked on offense ever since 2011 and I am puzzled with infatuation this franchize has with defense in era where 125+ points games are regular.

[Knightro]

Acquiring a high end starting guard at either starting spot is a much bigger need than a lot of people seem to realize.

There’s a difference between having a lot of bodies and having a guy. The Magic have plenty of bodies at guard, but they don’t have a guy.

[SOUL]

Acquiring a high end starting guard at either starting spot is a much bigger need than a lot of people seem to realize.

There’s a difference between having a lot of bodies and having a guy. The Magic have plenty of bodies at guard, but they don’t have a guy.

I'm okay with this process of finding out though before just moving people. It took only a few games for people to consider Suggs untouchable, many who didn't like him much, and more people to realize if Fultz isn't improving that he doesn't deserve the extension, and we already locked Cole on a good deal for a scoring punch off of the bench.

With that being said, there will have to be movement that comes from finding out - hopefully be trade deadline.

[Skybox]

Go get Simons while he’s out. Get Brogdon too or instead…he’s only 30.

I’m assuming POR would value picks most but almost anything’s on the table, imo.

ORL sends…WCJ (versatile PF next to Ayton), Cole (Simons’ role at half price), Harris (shooter, expiring), Fultz (expiring filler), Chuma,
24 ORL frp (top 3), 25 DEN frp (top 5)

POR sends…Brogdon, Simons, Williams (not a fit next to Ayton, injury history)(both guards too old and/or expensive to back up kids)

Brogdon and Simons can play together or either can play with Fultz or Black, Brogdon stabilizes guard rotation and when Simons/Fultz/Black is ready to take over in a year or two, Brogdon bows out or moves to bench. Black gets his reps in next to a shooter and 3 of the 4 project to (or are) notable defenders. Sacrificing WCJ hurts but we plug in combo of Williams, Moe, Goga and make do. Williams, if able to stay on the floor, could even be better-fitting long-term answer or we just keep looking to strengthen least important modern NBA position. We support Paolo & Franz with multiple high-level shooters and build a modern offense correctly. I’d even add another protected (down the road) pick, if needed, or a dozen srps as we see the relative on-court value of mid to late firsts and the negligible value of seconds. We’ve got enough high-upside prospects to be developed still on the roster in Black, Jett, and Suggs.

[Skybox]

Simpler if POR wants to keep Brogdon…

ORL sends: WCJ, Fultz, Chuma
POR sends: Simons, Williams

… (when Simons returns)

Simons, Black or Cole
Simons, Cole and/or Harris
Franz, Ingles, Jett
Paolo, Isaac
TimeLord, Moe, Goga blended mins

(Could do the same trade with Brogdon in for Simons, if preferred- Brogdon is more mature And a better defender, Simons much younger and, imo, potentially explosive 3 level scorer if given a leading role)

I’m not “down” on WCJ…we have a need that is far more significant in our backcourt than WCJ’s value next to our other forwards. WCJ is not a “bad fit”, but he might be more versatile than we need and a little lacking in the more defined, but limited, areas we lack. You have to give to get…A scoring guard would do more for our team than WCJ does.

Center by committee is more realistic than a 5 or 6 man mediocre to bad guard rotation in 2023