Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[skones]

I’d wave Beasily to get a look at Danny Green but that’s more of my willingness to wave Beasily for anyone because the team would be better giving his minutes to anyone in the roster besides RoLo and maybe Livingston.imo

Let's just say that torn ACL looks like it's a donezo thing for him.

Even better, it’ll get to the phase of force feeding minutes to AJJ sooner so maybe he can be ready for the playoffs.

If we're not keeping Beasley for the eventual Forbes role that suits him best, Terence Davis is out there who obviously has a lot of familiarity with Griffin. I just think folks are looking at Beasley all wrong, and that includes Griffin. His effort has never been a real problem defensively dating back to college. Man up, he competes, just has a ton of blind spots when it comes to spacing and overall team concepts.

Also, Javonte Green remains out there. Just tell him to be mini PJ Tucker.

[ReasonablySober]

My guess is that Beasley starts just because he is the most NBA proven player between Marjon/AJJ/Green. But it will not last for long and maybe it's a smart thing not rushing the rookies into the starting lineup. Let them prove themselves first in more limited roles coming from the bench. Having said that I will blame Marjon/AJJ/Green if Beasley ends up starting in the second half of the season too and not coach Griffin. The spot is open for them. They need to earn it.

If Beas is still starting in the second half of the year and he hasn't significantly improved upon what he's shown so far I will absolutely blame Griffin for that

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

He's playing as much as he is because Middleton is on a minutes restriction.

[MVP2110]

My guess is that Beasley starts just because he is the most NBA proven player between Marjon/AJJ/Green. But it will not last for long and maybe it's a smart thing not rushing the rookies into the starting lineup. Let them prove themselves first in more limited roles coming from the bench. Having said that I will blame Marjon/AJJ/Green if Beasley ends up starting in the second half of the season too and not coach Griffin. The spot is open for them. They need to earn it.

If Beas is still starting in the second half of the year and he hasn't significantly improved upon what he's shown so far I will absolutely blame Griffin for that

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

[DingleJerry]

If Beas is still starting in the second half of the year and he hasn't significantly improved upon what he's shown so far I will absolutely blame Griffin for that

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

[emunney]

If Beas is still starting in the second half of the year and he hasn't significantly improved upon what he's shown so far I will absolutely blame Griffin for that

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

He's playing as much as he is because Middleton is on a minutes restriction.

There are other players!

[tedbrogen]

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

Even the good season with the Wolves that people point to as the beacon of hope for Beasily because he shot 40% on 8+ 3PA per game, his Ortg was still MID and his Drtg was worst on the team.

[MVP2110]

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

Id much rather give MarJon a chance, or AJJ, or even AJ Green. Beasley is literally my last choice among the SG options. This was obvious when it was first brought up and predictably Beas has struggled in that role

[DingleJerry]

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

Even the good season with the Wolves that people point to as the beacon of hope for Beasily because he shot 40% on 8+ 3PA per game, his Ortg was still MID and his Drtg was worst on the team.

One can make a similar argument to all the options. The rookies have never played in the nba, etc. Pat is too slow to be 'sg (really those two are playing the same mins whichever starts and whichever comes off the bench)'. Someone has to play and the guys who's started and played 25+ mins regularly for several years while being a proven good shooter is as logical as any other if not more. And as someone else pointed out the '30+ mins' is skewed due to Middleton being out a game and limited mins when in.

[DingleJerry]

No disagreements. It was obvious to most people when the idea of Beasley being the 5th starter 1st came up that it was a dumb idea. Beas is fine in a 15-20 mpg off the bench role. Absolutely zero reason he should be starting at playing 30+ minutes

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

Id much rather give MarJon a chance, or AJJ, or even AJ Green. Beasley is literally my last choice among the SG options. This was obvious when it was first brought up and predictably Beas has struggled in that role

But one can easily say "it makes no sense to start guys who've never played mins in the NBA on a team trying to win the title". Especially if 3 games in they don't blow things out of the water, it would be just as 'obvious' as this is supposedly. Bottom line, there is no good options here. Beasley was the most 'proven' and he's clearly trying and putting in the effort. Its not crazy at all to give him first crack. Especially with the others being so young it lets them get their feet wet for a while. There should be plenty of mins at these spots since Mids will be coddled all year and I'm sure there will be plenty of Dame management too

[MVP2110]

Except you could say the bolded about pretty much all options at the #2. If any Beasley had teh most reason since he's been starting 1/3-1/2 of games the last 3ish years in the NBA and has hit 3s at a good clip the whole time

Id much rather give MarJon a chance, or AJJ, or even AJ Green. Beasley is literally my last choice among the SG options. This was obvious when it was first brought up and predictably Beas has struggled in that role

But one can easily say "it makes no sense to start guys who've never played mins in the NBA on a team trying to win the title". Especially if 3 games in they don't blow things out of the water, it would be just as 'obvious' as this is supposedly. Bottom line, there is no good options here. Beasley was the most 'proven' and he's clearly trying and putting in the effort. Its not crazy at all to give him first crack. Especially with the others being so young it lets them get their feet wet for a while. There should be plenty of mins at these spots since Mids will be coddled all year and I'm sure there will be plenty of Dame management too

The only thing proven about Beasley is that he's not very good, especially defensively and we're asking him to guard people like Maxey, Trae, & Herro. It was very predictable that this wouldn't go well(I know this because I said when it was very first brought up)

[bucksfansince88]

Morey needs to let us get KJ Martin

[DingleJerry]

Id much rather give MarJon a chance, or AJJ, or even AJ Green. Beasley is literally my last choice among the SG options. This was obvious when it was first brought up and predictably Beas has struggled in that role

But one can easily say "it makes no sense to start guys who've never played mins in the NBA on a team trying to win the title". Especially if 3 games in they don't blow things out of the water, it would be just as 'obvious' as this is supposedly. Bottom line, there is no good options here. Beasley was the most 'proven' and he's clearly trying and putting in the effort. Its not crazy at all to give him first crack. Especially with the others being so young it lets them get their feet wet for a while. There should be plenty of mins at these spots since Mids will be coddled all year and I'm sure there will be plenty of Dame management too

The only thing proven about Beasley is that he's not very good, especially defensively and we're asking him to guard people like Maxey, Trae, & Herro. It was very predictable that this wouldn't go well(I know this because I said when it was very first brought up)

It's proven that he can hang on an NBA court. He's done it for several years. The other guys are 2nd picks and guys who've never proven they can do that. Could they? Sure. But as of now for all we know they're Jordan Nwora level or worse. Sure I see your logic of trying them and seeing, season is long plenty of time to figure it out. But its by no means crazy to play the 5-6 year vet who's consistently been starting in the NBA and in spite of you're negativity has "proven" that he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA

If you played any of those guys the revers of mins with Beasley and they had equally blah results it would be just as easy to say something along the lines of how dumb or how obvious it was that playing guys who've never seen an NBA floor in real time would be overmatched and not ready.

[milweskee]

My guess is that Beasley starts just because he is the most NBA proven player between Marjon/AJJ/Green. But it will not last for long and maybe it's a smart thing not rushing the rookies into the starting lineup. Let them prove themselves first in more limited roles coming from the bench. Having said that I will blame Marjon/AJJ/Green if Beasley ends up starting in the second half of the season too and not coach Griffin. The spot is open for them. They need to earn it.

If Beas is still starting in the second half of the year and he hasn't significantly improved upon what he's shown so far I will absolutely blame Griffin for that

I already blame him for giving Beasily 30+mpg. Someone show me actual NBA stats that support Beasily deserving any minutes.

"Besilly" is the new "play random".

[Chad34]

What would it take to get buddy heild, Would he fit?

[MVP2110]

But one can easily say "it makes no sense to start guys who've never played mins in the NBA on a team trying to win the title". Especially if 3 games in they don't blow things out of the water, it would be just as 'obvious' as this is supposedly. Bottom line, there is no good options here. Beasley was the most 'proven' and he's clearly trying and putting in the effort. Its not crazy at all to give him first crack. Especially with the others being so young it lets them get their feet wet for a while. There should be plenty of mins at these spots since Mids will be coddled all year and I'm sure there will be plenty of Dame management too

The only thing proven about Beasley is that he's not very good, especially defensively and we're asking him to guard people like Maxey, Trae, & Herro. It was very predictable that this wouldn't go well(I know this because I said when it was very first brought up)

It's proven that he can hang on an NBA court. He's done it for several years. The other guys are 2nd picks and guys who've never proven they can do that. Could they? Sure. But as of now for all we know they're Jordan Nwora level or worse. Sure I see your logic of trying them and seeing, season is long plenty of time to figure it out. But its by no means crazy to play the 5-6 year vet who's consistently been starting in the NBA and in spite of you're negativity has "proven" that he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA

If you played any of those guys the revers of mins with Beasley and they had equally blah results it would be just as easy to say something along hte lines of how dumb or how obvious it was that playing guys who've never seen an NBA floor in real time would be overmathced and not ready.

Beasley as the 5th starter made alot more sense prior to the Dame trade when we had Jrue, but once the Dame trade happened Beasley should never have been in the conversation to start. Beasley has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire NBA over his career and asking him to guard the Maxey's, Trae's, Herro's of the world is putting him in a position to fail. It was incredibly predictable he wouldn't be up to the task of being our top defender. I get what you are saying about the young guys and they probably would have struggled initially too but atleast with them there is hope for development and improvement. We know what Beasley is at this point and he's not suddenly going to become a great defender.

[DingleJerry]

The only thing proven about Beasley is that he's not very good, especially defensively and we're asking him to guard people like Maxey, Trae, & Herro. It was very predictable that this wouldn't go well(I know this because I said when it was very first brought up)

It's proven that he can hang on an NBA court. He's done it for several years. The other guys are 2nd picks and guys who've never proven they can do that. Could they? Sure. But as of now for all we know they're Jordan Nwora level or worse. Sure I see your logic of trying them and seeing, season is long plenty of time to figure it out. But its by no means crazy to play the 5-6 year vet who's consistently been starting in the NBA and in spite of you're negativity has "proven" that he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA

If you played any of those guys the revers of mins with Beasley and they had equally blah results it would be just as easy to say something along hte lines of how dumb or how obvious it was that playing guys who've never seen an NBA floor in real time would be overmathced and not ready.

Beasley as the 5th starter made alot more sense prior to the Dame trade when we had Jrue, but once the Dame trade happened Beasley should never have been in the conversation to start. Beasley has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire NBA over his career and asking him to guard the Maxey's, Trae's, Herro's of the world is putting him in a position to fail. It was incredibly predictable he wouldn't be up to the task of being our top defender. I get what you are saying about the young guys and they probably would have struggled initially too but atleast with them there is hope for development and improvement. We know what Beasley is at this point and he's not suddenly going to become a great defender.

Yea once Dame was acquired Beasley was a poor fit. With Jrue he was way more logical. But again you saying "he sucks" doesn't change they have no have no other proven or clearly better options. As said, you can bash all you want and ignore but he has proven he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA. And that was a clear weakness with our team the last several years. Now that we have Dame to fix that the priority should be to find a better fit and move Beas to the bench. But as of now its all we got.

[H2tObes]

Bucks have like 4 options I'd prefer to Beas (Pat, Marj, AJJ, Green), his negative impact goes beyond not being a good fit with Dame. How can you watch and not see how badly he disrupts the teams rhythm on both sides of the court? And the worst part is he is 3rd in minutes, this has me worried about Griffin

[RogerMurdock]

Bucks RealGM when Dame trade is announced: OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. Our perimeter defense will really struggle, but OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!

Bucks RealGM three games into the season: OMG OUR PERIMETER DEFENSE IS AWFUL WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

Also Bucks RealGM: I know there's no other realistic starter at the two right now, but still, AG SHOULD START SOMEONE ELSE.

[chonestown]

Let's just say that torn ACL looks like it's a donezo thing for him.

Even better, it’ll get to the phase of force feeding minutes to AJJ sooner so maybe he can be ready for the playoffs.

If we're not keeping Beasley for the eventual Forbes role that suits him best, Terence Davis is out there who obviously has a lot of familiarity with Griffin. I just think folks are looking at Beasley all wrong, and that includes Griffin. His effort has never been a real problem defensively dating back to college. Man up, he competes, just has a ton of blind spots when it comes to spacing and overall team concepts.

Also, Javonte Green remains out there. Just tell him to be mini PJ Tucker.

Oh, had no idea Javonte was out there. Type of guy every team needs.

[MVP2110]

It's proven that he can hang on an NBA court. He's done it for several years. The other guys are 2nd picks and guys who've never proven they can do that. Could they? Sure. But as of now for all we know they're Jordan Nwora level or worse. Sure I see your logic of trying them and seeing, season is long plenty of time to figure it out. But its by no means crazy to play the 5-6 year vet who's consistently been starting in the NBA and in spite of you're negativity has "proven" that he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA

If you played any of those guys the revers of mins with Beasley and they had equally blah results it would be just as easy to say something along hte lines of how dumb or how obvious it was that playing guys who've never seen an NBA floor in real time would be overmathced and not ready.

Beasley as the 5th starter made alot more sense prior to the Dame trade when we had Jrue, but once the Dame trade happened Beasley should never have been in the conversation to start. Beasley has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire NBA over his career and asking him to guard the Maxey's, Trae's, Herro's of the world is putting him in a position to fail. It was incredibly predictable he wouldn't be up to the task of being our top defender. I get what you are saying about the young guys and they probably would have struggled initially too but atleast with them there is hope for development and improvement. We know what Beasley is at this point and he's not suddenly going to become a great defender.

Yea once Dame was acquired Beasley was a poor fit. With Jrue he was way more logical. But again you saying "he sucks" doesn't change they have no have no other proven or clearly better options. As said, you can bash all you want and ignore but he has proven he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA. And that was a clear weakness with our team the last several years. Now that we have Dame to fix that the priority should be to find a better fit and move Beas to the bench. But as of now its all we got.

We might not have any "proven" options but we certainly have better fits to choose from. We know Beasley is a terrible fit for this starting lineup, MarJon is the clear better fit and there's a decent chance he's just a better player regardless of fit. Trotting out a bad player just because he's played in the NBA before and trying to fit that player into a role that is nowhere near designed for his skillset is coaching malpractice.