Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[H2tObes]

Bucks RealGM when Dame trade is announced: OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. Our perimeter defense will really struggle, but OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!

Bucks RealGM three games into the season: OMG OUR PERIMETER DEFENSE IS AWFUL WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

Also Bucks RealGM: I know there's no other realistic starter at the two right now, but still, AG SHOULD START SOMEONE ELSE.

I'm usually not much of a pants pisser on here compared to some, especially when time is deserved...but Malik is not the only option at 2 and he is 3rd in minutes, it is okay to talk about it.

[SupremeHustle]

Came here to see if we were talking about the real question of the season so far:

DOES GIANNIS KNOW HOW TO SET A SCREEN?

[emunney]

Bucks RealGM when Dame trade is announced: OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. Our perimeter defense will really struggle, but OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!

Bucks RealGM three games into the season: OMG OUR PERIMETER DEFENSE IS AWFUL WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

Also Bucks RealGM: I know there's no other realistic starter at the two right now, but still, AG SHOULD START SOMEONE ELSE.

Citation needed.

[BroncoBuck]

The whole Griff thing has been so strange.

He comes in with this attacking defense
-Carter walks in free agency
-Re-sign AJ Green
-Lopez (master of the drop) signs a big extension
-Sign RoLo
-We trade our best attacking perimeter defender for a guy who isn’t a defender at all

It feels like this team should’ve invested more in 2nd round picks this year. Too many players on this roster are not a fit for the scheme we’re attempting to run.

AJax is the only addition that seems like a schematic fit.

[FrieAaron]

Yeah, there's literally a poll where 85% of us chose someone currently on the roster as the starter over Beasley.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm gonna choose to believe that Marjon has shown enough the first two games that Griff is gonna trust him with more minutes going forward.

#OptimistsWin

[DingleJerry]

Beasley as the 5th starter made alot more sense prior to the Dame trade when we had Jrue, but once the Dame trade happened Beasley should never have been in the conversation to start. Beasley has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire NBA over his career and asking him to guard the Maxey's, Trae's, Herro's of the world is putting him in a position to fail. It was incredibly predictable he wouldn't be up to the task of being our top defender. I get what you are saying about the young guys and they probably would have struggled initially too but atleast with them there is hope for development and improvement. We know what Beasley is at this point and he's not suddenly going to become a great defender.

Yea once Dame was acquired Beasley was a poor fit. With Jrue he was way more logical. But again you saying "he sucks" doesn't change they have no have no other proven or clearly better options. As said, you can bash all you want and ignore but he has proven he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA. And that was a clear weakness with our team the last several years. Now that we have Dame to fix that the priority should be to find a better fit and move Beas to the bench. But as of now its all we got.

We might not have any "proven" options but we certainly have better fits to choose from. We know Beasley is a terrible fit for this starting lineup, MarJon is the clear better fit and there's a decent chance he's just a better player regardless of fit. Trotting out a bad player just because he's played in the NBA before and trying to fit that player into a role that is nowhere near designed for his skillset is coaching malpractice.

Just not needed to have this kind of overreaction 3 games in. If they did crappy one could easily say starting a rookie or 2nd year guy who have never played in the nba is 'coaching malpractice'. He went the basic most simple route most coaches would go in letting the vet have first crack while the young guys get their feet wet or earn it a bit more. Its actually quite the opposite of malpractice, its the safe/basic route seen time and again all over all sports.

Again, I'm perfectly fine experimenting and trying new things. But acting like this is some kind of huge mistake or shows he's a braindead idiot is a big overreaction. The vet is a proven shooter in the NBA, he's clearly trying and putting in the work/effort. He might not get there or be good enough, but can certainly see why he's being given the chance.

Odd part of all this is if they'd have known the Dame trade was happening they probably would've just brought Wes back for league min. Problem mostly solved until deadline and buyout attempts to improve a bit more.

[MVP2110]

Yea once Dame was acquired Beasley was a poor fit. With Jrue he was way more logical. But again you saying "he sucks" doesn't change they have no have no other proven or clearly better options. As said, you can bash all you want and ignore but he has proven he can get off and hit 3s in the NBA. And that was a clear weakness with our team the last several years. Now that we have Dame to fix that the priority should be to find a better fit and move Beas to the bench. But as of now its all we got.

We might not have any "proven" options but we certainly have better fits to choose from. We know Beasley is a terrible fit for this starting lineup, MarJon is the clear better fit and there's a decent chance he's just a better player regardless of fit. Trotting out a bad player just because he's played in the NBA before and trying to fit that player into a role that is nowhere near designed for his skillset is coaching malpractice.

Just not needed to have this kind of overreaction 3 games in. If they did crappy one could easily say starting a rookie or 2nd year guy who have never played in the nba is 'coaching malpractice'. He went the basic most simple route most coaches would go in letting the vet have first crack while the young guys get their feet wet or earn it a bit more. Its actually quite the opposite of malpractice, its the safe/basic route seen time and again all over all sports.

Again, I'm perfectly fine experimenting and trying new things. But acting like this is some kind of huge mistake or shows he's a braindead idiot is a big overreaction. The vet is a proven shooter in the NBA, he's clearly trying and putting in the work/effort. He might not get there or be good enough, but can certainly see why he's being given the chance.

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

[DingleJerry]

We might not have any "proven" options but we certainly have better fits to choose from. We know Beasley is a terrible fit for this starting lineup, MarJon is the clear better fit and there's a decent chance he's just a better player regardless of fit. Trotting out a bad player just because he's played in the NBA before and trying to fit that player into a role that is nowhere near designed for his skillset is coaching malpractice.

Just not needed to have this kind of overreaction 3 games in. If they did crappy one could easily say starting a rookie or 2nd year guy who have never played in the nba is 'coaching malpractice'. He went the basic most simple route most coaches would go in letting the vet have first crack while the young guys get their feet wet or earn it a bit more. Its actually quite the opposite of malpractice, its the safe/basic route seen time and again all over all sports.

Again, I'm perfectly fine experimenting and trying new things. But acting like this is some kind of huge mistake or shows he's a braindead idiot is a big overreaction. The vet is a proven shooter in the NBA, he's clearly trying and putting in the work/effort. He might not get there or be good enough, but can certainly see why he's being given the chance.

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

[MVP2110]

Just not needed to have this kind of overreaction 3 games in. If they did crappy one could easily say starting a rookie or 2nd year guy who have never played in the nba is 'coaching malpractice'. He went the basic most simple route most coaches would go in letting the vet have first crack while the young guys get their feet wet or earn it a bit more. Its actually quite the opposite of malpractice, its the safe/basic route seen time and again all over all sports.

Again, I'm perfectly fine experimenting and trying new things. But acting like this is some kind of huge mistake or shows he's a braindead idiot is a big overreaction. The vet is a proven shooter in the NBA, he's clearly trying and putting in the work/effort. He might not get there or be good enough, but can certainly see why he's being given the chance.

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

[tedbrogen]

Bucks RealGM when Dame trade is announced: OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. Our perimeter defense will really struggle, but OMG OUR OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!

Bucks RealGM three games into the season: OMG OUR PERIMETER DEFENSE IS AWFUL WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

Also Bucks RealGM: I know there's no other realistic starter at the two right now, but still, AG SHOULD START SOMEONE ELSE.

I think Marjon or AJ Green are realistic starters right now based on the insane talent at the other four spots. Maybe they fail but at least they have upside that clearly Beasily at 27 and three years removed from his last “good” season, does not.

[DingleJerry]

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

Again, its not obvious. And I'd wager the majority of NBA coaches would've done the same thing given the options. Guys who've literally never played real NBA minutes or 5-6 year vet who's started 1/4ish of the time in the NBA and has proven he can get off and make 3s. But ok yea, only an absolute moron would choose the vet.

Maybe put the blame on the GM for it as that's where this problem comes from. And I guess if you think it's this huge of a deal then its also GM malpractice and he should be fired. You know, in spite of getting Dame which caused this issue. Or maybe chill out since its 3 games in and we know they know this and will address it by deadline/playoffs.

[tedbrogen]

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

Yep, the legit only plausible explanation beyond AG being a bad talent evaluated is that Horst had to promise the starting role to Beasily to get him on the minimum and they can’t pull the plug until the media points out how bad Beasily is playing to save face with agents.

[MVP2110]

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

Again, its not obvious. And I'd wager the majority of NBA coaches would've done the same thing given the options. Guys who've literally never played real NBA minutes or 5-6 year vet who's started 1/4ish of the time in the NBA and has proven he can get off and make 3s. But ok yea, only an absolute moron would choose the vet.

Maybe put the blame on the GM for it as that's where this problem comes from. And I guess if you think it's this huge of a deal then its also GM malpractice and he should be fired. You know, in spite of getting Dame which caused this issue. Or maybe chill out since its 3 games in and we know they know this and will address it by deadline/playoffs.

Nah I'm not going to criticize Horst for what should be a perfectly fine vet min deal, I'm going to criticize the coach who isn't utilizing him correctly and isn't putting that player in a position to succeed.

[tedbrogen]

Came here to see if we were talking about the real question of the season so far:

DOES GIANNIS KNOW HOW TO SET A SCREEN?

No. As much as Bud did well, instilling stuff like how to set a good screen was not one of the things he did well. Bud never wanted two players anywhere near each other on offense.

[Daver]

We might not have any "proven" options but we certainly have better fits to choose from. We know Beasley is a terrible fit for this starting lineup, MarJon is the clear better fit and there's a decent chance he's just a better player regardless of fit. Trotting out a bad player just because he's played in the NBA before and trying to fit that player into a role that is nowhere near designed for his skillset is coaching malpractice.

Just not needed to have this kind of overreaction 3 games in. If they did crappy one could easily say starting a rookie or 2nd year guy who have never played in the nba is 'coaching malpractice'. He went the basic most simple route most coaches would go in letting the vet have first crack while the young guys get their feet wet or earn it a bit more. Its actually quite the opposite of malpractice, its the safe/basic route seen time and again all over all sports.

Again, I'm perfectly fine experimenting and trying new things. But acting like this is some kind of huge mistake or shows he's a braindead idiot is a big overreaction. The vet is a proven shooter in the NBA, he's clearly trying and putting in the work/effort. He might not get there or be good enough, but can certainly see why he's being given the chance.

I think it's completely fair to call Griff out on this one and it's not overreacting when I was saying this ahead of time. It's not like I watched these 3 games and completely changed my mind. I thought Beasley was being obviously miscast in this role and through 3 games I've been proven correct. Now maybe he suddenly becomes a better defender and stops killing the offensive rhythm when he's out there but that would go against everything we've ever seen from Beasley on an NBA court so I'm not holding my breath.

D i understand but how does he kill the O rhythm he shot 8xs the first game dude was the only one making baskets against atlanta thrn shot 9xs in 3rd game .WTF you all wanted allen to shoot more yet beaskey is shooting as much as allen n is considered a O stopper fu... hypocrites

[Daver]

Nah you're making waaaay too much out of it. It's certainly fine to say you disagree and its a mistake, you'd prefer other etc. But to act like its a huge huge huge thing like you're doing is too much. He has no good options here. He's left with trying to choose the least bad option yet you're acting like he's a bumbling idiot for it. He chose the safest most basic route the majority of coaches would've done, far from an absolute braindead type thing. Literally everything you're saying one could've said if/when Marjawn or a rookie struggled the first few games too. There was no easy/clear choice here, all were bad options and had potential issues.

So far I'm unimpressed by Griffin but this is the least of it to me. The main thing is whatever went down to make a vet like Stotts quit. Points to likely some kind of attitude, personality type issues.

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

Yep, the legit only plausible explanation beyond AG being a bad talent evaluated is that Horst had to promise the starting role to Beasily to get him on the minimum and they can’t pull the plug until the media points out how bad Beasily is playing to save face with agents.

Absoluteky not true beasley has mentioned at least 3xs hes here to help the bucks win and will do anything the coaches ask wether is starting or coming off the bench.Never has he had this attitude of being a starter.Always been whatever the coach wants

[th87]

What would it take to get buddy heild, Would he fit?

Heidl you mean

[DingleJerry]

It's not a fatal flaw and there's still plenty of time to fix it. But any coach that looks at a starting 4 of Dame, Khris, Giannis, & Brook and then decides that adding Malik Beasley is the best option to join that group isn't exactly someone I trust when it comes to making smart basketball decisions. When a coach screws up small stuff in such an obvious way it makes me worry about the bigger stuff.

Again, its not obvious. And I'd wager the majority of NBA coaches would've done the same thing given the options. Guys who've literally never played real NBA minutes or 5-6 year vet who's started 1/4ish of the time in the NBA and has proven he can get off and make 3s. But ok yea, only an absolute moron would choose the vet.

Maybe put the blame on the GM for it as that's where this problem comes from. And I guess if you think it's this huge of a deal then its also GM malpractice and he should be fired. You know, in spite of getting Dame which caused this issue. Or maybe chill out since its 3 games in and we know they know this and will address it by deadline/playoffs.

Nah I'm not going to criticize Horst for what should be a perfectly fine vet min deal, I'm going to criticize the coach who isn't utilizing him correctly and isn't putting that player in a position to succeed.

It would be for giving the coach no legit options at this spot. Only player with any experience is a poor fit next to Dame. GM gave him this no win decision to make.

Personally I don't blame the GM, they are not stupid. We know they know this. There just wasn't time to fix before season, they'll address it later. But for folks like you who seem to want make conclusions after 3 games should probably put the blame for this problem where it really lays.

[MVP2110]

Again, its not obvious. And I'd wager the majority of NBA coaches would've done the same thing given the options. Guys who've literally never played real NBA minutes or 5-6 year vet who's started 1/4ish of the time in the NBA and has proven he can get off and make 3s. But ok yea, only an absolute moron would choose the vet.

Maybe put the blame on the GM for it as that's where this problem comes from. And I guess if you think it's this huge of a deal then its also GM malpractice and he should be fired. You know, in spite of getting Dame which caused this issue. Or maybe chill out since its 3 games in and we know they know this and will address it by deadline/playoffs.

Nah I'm not going to criticize Horst for what should be a perfectly fine vet min deal, I'm going to criticize the coach who isn't utilizing him correctly and isn't putting that player in a position to succeed.

It would be for giving the coach no legit options at this spot. Only player with any experience is a poor fit next to Dame. GM gave him this no win decision to make.

Personally I don't blame the GM, they are not stupid. We know they know this. There just wasn't time to fix before season, they'll address it later. But for folks like you who seem to want make conclusions after 3 games should probably put the blame for this problem where it really lays.

Nah, Horst gave Griff several options I'd be fine with. None of them are perfect but if he went with any of MarJon, AJJ, Crowder, or AJ Green I'd be perfectly fine with. He literally chose the one option that was obviously never going to work and for that I fault the coach whose making that decision