Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[MettaWorldPanda]

Heat could end up with a deal like Melton, Harris, Covington, Korkmaz, with multiple first and seconds for Butler and Lowry.

[marson]

Heat front office deserve every bit of this. Doing nothing again was completely unacceptable. The final straw was the signing of Dru Smith lol. I’d be checked out too if I was Jimmy after the immense sacrifice. Get Jimmy to a real contender he’s going into his mid 30’s and nobody ain’t giving us chit for Lowry and we barely have any picks to trade. Get a nice haul of picks and free up some cap space so we can start courting Bam’s friends with a real chance. As of today we can’t get chit done and that’s as real as it gets.

I think at the end of the day Pat's moves are very limited since he has to consult Mickey first and he has the final say on spending.

And Mickey definitely took things for granted for the Jimmy/Bam run in these last 4 years. We spent 0$ in luxury tax for the last 3 years.

[marson]

To take things into perspective. The last 2 championship teams spent 17 mil and 170 mil in luxury tax.

It's owners who win championships.

EDIT: The Clippers who have been disappointing spent $220 mil in luxury tax these past 2 years.

Imagine we have Balmer as the Heat owner.

[Rapaz]

[HEATVols865]

Jimmy is about to make a mess of things isn’t he?

[contract]

Just to show everyone how silly it is to jump to conclusions after a handful of games, yesterday Max Strus was getting praise and looking like a steal, and after tonight's game he's ...

shooting 35% FG & 35% 3pt for the season

... while leading the Cavs in minutes played for some reason.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Heat front office deserve every bit of this. Doing nothing again was completely unacceptable. The final straw was the signing of Dru Smith lol. I’d be checked out too if I was Jimmy after the immense sacrifice. Get Jimmy to a real contender he’s going into his mid 30’s and nobody ain’t giving us chit for Lowry and we barely have any picks to trade. Get a nice haul of picks and free up some cap space so we can start courting Bam’s friends with a real chance. As of today we can’t get chit done and that’s as real as it gets.

I think at the end of the day Pat's moves are very limited since he has to consult Mickey first and he has the final say on spending.

And Mickey definitely took things for granted for the Jimmy/Bam run in these last 4 years. We spent 0$ in luxury tax for the last 3 years.

It doesn’t help that the same front office tied 48 million into Lowry and Robinson. To put into perspective that’s what a Jimmy Butler makes.

[contract]

Heat could end up with a deal like Melton, Harris, Covington, Korkmaz, with multiple first and seconds for Butler and Lowry.

Why in god's name would we even consider making that trade?

[contract]

Heat front office deserve every bit of this. Doing nothing again was completely unacceptable. The final straw was the signing of Dru Smith lol. I’d be checked out too if I was Jimmy after the immense sacrifice. Get Jimmy to a real contender he’s going into his mid 30’s and nobody ain’t giving us chit for Lowry and we barely have any picks to trade. Get a nice haul of picks and free up some cap space so we can start courting Bam’s friends with a real chance. As of today we can’t get chit done and that’s as real as it gets.

I think at the end of the day Pat's moves are very limited since he has to consult Mickey first and he has the final say on spending.

And Mickey definitely took things for granted for the Jimmy/Bam run in these last 4 years. We spent 0$ in luxury tax for the last 3 years.

It doesn’t help that the same front office tied 48 million into Lowry and Robinson. To put into perspective that’s what a Jimmy Butler makes.

It's not an overstatement to say that Lowry is here because Jimmy wants him here. He even pushed back against dumping him last season at the deadline.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Heat could end up with a deal like Melton, Harris, Covington, Korkmaz, with multiple first and seconds for Butler and Lowry.

Why in god's name would we even consider making that trade?

It’s a soft reset of the books for an aging star. Do you honestly think your trading a 35 and 36 year old Butler making 49 and 52 mil in those years for someone’s young star? The picks is what we need for future barter. Freeing up the sheet also allows us to absorb salary. It also facilitates a quiet tank for an elite PG next year. Bam, Jovic, JJJ and Herro can then start to grow together ushering us into our new future. Or do we just keep the status quo and surround Butler with G Leaguers till he’s 40?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think at the end of the day Pat's moves are very limited since he has to consult Mickey first and he has the final say on spending.

And Mickey definitely took things for granted for the Jimmy/Bam run in these last 4 years. We spent 0$ in luxury tax for the last 3 years.

It doesn’t help that the same front office tied 48 million into Lowry and Robinson. To put into perspective that’s what a Jimmy Butler makes.

It's not an overstatement to say that Lowry is here because Jimmy wants him here. He even pushed back against dumping him last season at the deadline.

This is true but also extremely short sighted to give Lowry a third year in his age 38 year 30 million. Total waste of money that’s hamstrung us. We are stuck bad right now.

[marson]

2026 should be the target. Same year when Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, and Bam are all FA unless some of them sign an early extension.

Also the last year of Jimmy's current contract.

Could be a rough 3 years ahead with Jimmy's age and our flawed roster construction. FO gotta decide as early as next year on which route should we take.

EDIT: 2026 is also the year when Jimmy is FA.

[MettaWorldPanda]

All we do is get out bid in every deal and strung along bad by teams. We are never in a position of strength when dealing in today’s NBA. You literally had a player say I want Miami only but our limited draft capital assets and lack of desirable contracts keep getting us taken to the wood shed. Let’s get a haul of picks and especially one that unlocks all our picks so we are free from the OKC pick protections and free up Jimmy and Lowry’s close to 80 million off the books. Robinson’s contract will soon also be coming toward’s the end finally. Find a young third star for Bam to recruit and also build this roster properly with money used wisely.

[MettaWorldPanda]

2026 should be the target. Same year when Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, and Bam are all FA unless some of them sign an early extension.

Also the last year of Jimmy's current contract.

Could be a rough 3 years ahead with Jimmy's age and our flawed roster construction. FO gotta decide as early as next year on which route should we take.

EDIT: 2026 is also the year when Jimmy is FA.

If we are to move Jimmy this has to be the year to do it before his value potentially drastically caves.

[marson]

All we do is get out bid in every deal and strung along bad by teams. We are never in a position of strength when dealing in today’s NBA. You literally had a player say I want Miami only but our limited draft capital assets and lack of desirable contracts keep getting us taken to the wood shed. Let’s get a haul of picks and especially one that unlocks all our picks so we are free from the OKC pick protections and free up Jimmy and Lowry’s close to 80 million off the books. Robinson’s contract will soon also be coming toward’s the end finally. Find a young third star for Bam to recruit and also build this roster properly with money used wisely.

Hard agree. Our best bet would be the 2025 offseason when everyone is off the books (besides Jacquez and Herro) and has the cap space to sign multiple stars.

[MorbidHEAT]

Some of yall entertaining this idea of Jimmy wanting out or giving up on him are wild. Personally never want to see him in another jersey unless he asked out.

Not giving up on Jimmy, giving up on management is a more apt way to say it. I don’t want to hear about what they’ve done to get championships and blah blah blah. Actions the last 3 years have shown that they are perfectly comfortable being a middle team who overachieves because of excellent coaching and a star player who has brief runs where he is the best player in the league. As is, we will not win a chip with him without getting him some help. It would not surprise me at all if he asked for a trade. And I would be happy for him if he was traded to a contender and got a chip.

[wade44]

What are the ramifications if we don’t trade him? We lose out on potential draft comp and will have 50 million on the books for an aging wing who’s game relies heavily on athleticism. That said, IMO Jimmy could still give 2-3 years of stellar postseason play whether for the Heat or another team. That in itself may just be enough for another team to show interest and emerge as a trade partner

[contract]

Heat could end up with a deal like Melton, Harris, Covington, Korkmaz, with multiple first and seconds for Butler and Lowry.

Why in god's name would we even consider making that trade?

It’s a soft reset of the books for an aging star. Do you honestly think your trading a 35 and 36 year old Butler making 49 and 52 mil in those years for someone’s young star? The picks is what we need for future barter. Freeing up the sheet also allows us to absorb salary. It also facilitates a quiet tank for an elite PG next year. Bam, Jovic, JJJ and Herro can then start to grow together ushering us into our new future. Or do we just keep the status quo and surround Butler with G Leaguers till he’s 40?

I don't understand wanting to trade competitive runs for future wishes. There is no guarantee that we're going to get an elite PG next year or the year after that or the year after that. And what would we want one for, to facilitate for Bam and Herro? Bam is a 40/60 (probably 35/65) player. Most of his value comes on the defensive end. I don't care what PG you have, Bam is never going to carry your offense. And Herro is Herro. Anyone expecting some magic transformation is in for a serious letdown. You are pretty much looking at the finished product. If you swapped out Jimmy for prime Steph right now, this team would not be better.

You keep trying to win every year. At some point soon, Butler becomes a faded albatross and you carry him until his contract expires or you can unload his expiring deal. But you don't stop trying to win while you have a shot.

[contract]

It doesn’t help that the same front office tied 48 million into Lowry and Robinson. To put into perspective that’s what a Jimmy Butler makes.

It's not an overstatement to say that Lowry is here because Jimmy wants him here. He even pushed back against dumping him last season at the deadline.

This is true but also extremely short sighted to give Lowry a third year in his age 38 year 30 million. Total waste of money that’s hamstrung us. We are stuck bad right now.

I agree and said so at the time. But this is where we are. Forget what Lowry is making, Pat needs to earn his money and do something more than add Kevin Love and Cody Zeller off the scrap heap at the deadline. Pat has redone entire rosters in the blink of an eye before. He just seems to have become gun shy.

[contract]

2026 should be the target. Same year when Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, and Bam are all FA unless some of them sign an early extension.

Also the last year of Jimmy's current contract.

Could be a rough 3 years ahead with Jimmy's age and our flawed roster construction. FO gotta decide as early as next year on which route should we take.

EDIT: 2026 is also the year when Jimmy is FA.

Fix the construction.