Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[Heat3]

It doesn’t help that the same front office tied 48 million into Lowry and Robinson. To put into perspective that’s what a Jimmy Butler makes.

It's not an overstatement to say that Lowry is here because Jimmy wants him here. He even pushed back against dumping him last season at the deadline.

This is true but also extremely short sighted to give Lowry a third year in his age 38 year 30 million. Total waste of money that’s hamstrung us. We are stuck bad right now.

Who would we have gotten instead?

[contract]

All we do is get out bid in every deal and strung along bad by teams. We are never in a position of strength when dealing in today’s NBA. You literally had a player say I want Miami only but our limited draft capital assets and lack of desirable contracts keep getting us taken to the wood shed. Let’s get a haul of picks and especially one that unlocks all our picks so we are free from the OKC pick protections and free up Jimmy and Lowry’s close to 80 million off the books. Robinson’s contract will soon also be coming toward’s the end finally. Find a young third star for Bam to recruit and also build this roster properly with money used wisely.

There's always the option of forgetting the whales and focusing on upgrading some of the role players around Jimmy and Bam.

[contract]

It's not an overstatement to say that Lowry is here because Jimmy wants him here. He even pushed back against dumping him last season at the deadline.

This is true but also extremely short sighted to give Lowry a third year in his age 38 year 30 million. Total waste of money that’s hamstrung us. We are stuck bad right now.

Who would we have gotten instead?

It doesn't matter. Signing a bad deal is always a bad idea. He should have been offer 2 years tops.

[contract]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

[twozeroMM]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

Honest question, when you watch this team as is do you see a contender?

[contract]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

Honest question, when you watch this team as is do you see a contender?

No. I didn't see one last season either. But there we were. I didn't see one the year before or two years before that either. We overachieve. But the proper response to that is to get better, not worse.

[twozeroMM]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

Honest question, when you watch this team as is do you see a contender?

No. I didn't see one last season either. But there we were. I didn't see one the year before or two years before that either. We overachieve. But the proper response to that is to get better, not worse.

I agree and that last sentence is what's so frustrating. We've been so close and can't seem to get that player to take us over the hump.

[MorbidHEAT]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

We can’t rely on magic from players that simply aren’t magicians. Several players greatly over exceeded their talent and abilities to facilitate being 3 wins away from winning a title, in a series that wasn’t even remotely in question at any point.

Caleb had absolutely no business being in the conversation for ECF mvp. Max and Gabe over exceeded their way to decent contracts.

[contract]

Honest question, when you watch this team as is do you see a contender?

No. I didn't see one last season either. But there we were. I didn't see one the year before or two years before that either. We overachieve. But the proper response to that is to get better, not worse.

I agree and that last sentence is what's so frustrating. We've been so close and can't seem to get that player to take us over the hump.

We've become obsessed with "Big 3s". Maybe all we need is our Big 2 and modestly better role players around them. Maybe a SG who is slightly more efficient than Herro. Maybe a PG that isn't on his last leg or a G-league rando. Maybe a PF who isn't completely washed. Maybe a couple of guys off the bench better than Strus or Duncan.

But I guess it's easier to sit around keeping your powder dry, waiting for a star player to try to force his way here rather than work the phones and try to find undervalued talent that can be had.

[contract]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

We can’t rely on magic from players that simply aren’t magicians. Several players greatly over exceeded their talent and abilities to facilitate being 3 wins away from winning a title, in a series that wasn’t even remotely in question at any point.

Caleb had absolutely no business being in the conversation for ECF mvp. Max and Gabe over exceeded their way to decent contracts.

And the year before we were in the ECF, and two years before that we were in the NBA Finals. We don't have a ton of talent, but we have some good players and a good coach. Work with that.

[Heat3]

This is true but also extremely short sighted to give Lowry a third year in his age 38 year 30 million. Total waste of money that’s hamstrung us. We are stuck bad right now.

Who would we have gotten instead?

It doesn't matter. Signing a bad deal is always a bad idea. He should have been offer 2 years tops.

It doesn't matter who his replacement would be??

He isn't signing for 2 years. So someone has to play that role. A vet min guy?

[eddieheatfan]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/brooklyn-nets-miami-heat-2023110114/

even the stats look bad, granted the team hasnt been healthy at the start of the season but either way it looks mediocre

[Hoops3355]

Jimmy must be tripping if he think he's gonna strong arm Riley and Mickey. I'm sorta with the FO on this one we gutted the team for LBJ and Bosh. Got nothing back for either of them and basically had wait until this year to really start getting our assets back under control. You can't just go all in on Jimmy at this point with someone else whose on his same timeline.

I'm not really concerned Herro looks good and is getting reps. We got young guys getting minutes and bleeding a bit. We'll see what happens / where we are around the trade deadline.

If Jimmy keeps this ish up and looking like he's sleep walking that on him.

[Daffy]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

So basically you're saying...Ultimately we didn't win?

[contract]

Who would we have gotten instead?

It doesn't matter. Signing a bad deal is always a bad idea. He should have been offer 2 years tops.

It doesn't matter who his replacement would be??

He isn't signing for 2 years. So someone has to play that role. A vet min guy?

How much better than Gabe was he? Yeah you go with a vet min guy rather than give a 35 year old who lost his starting job $85 mil / 3 years.

[contract]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

So basically you're saying...Ultimately we didn't win?

Ultimately. So you try to get better, not worse.

[VaDe255]

Folks ... we were 3 wins from a title last season.

Honest question, when you watch this team as is do you see a contender?

Are the playoffs happening right now? No, they're not. The NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint. The core that got us that close remains largely intact.

Our first four games were no cakewalk; we went up against two title favorites on the road and even had a back-to-back game in between, all while missing key players and playing guys like Dru, Cain. Richardson has only recently returned for one game, and Caleb, our glue guy, is still out and we're in the process of integrating Bryant, JJJ and, to a lesser extent, Jovic into rotations.

It's far too early to make sweeping judgments about this team's potential, when we are dealing with major injuries and growing pains. The playoffs are the ultimate proving ground, and that's when the Heat have stepped up. Let's not judge whether this team is a contender based on a small sample size.

[HEATVols865]

Jimmy takes the preseason off, plays with no f*cks to give, takes a game off 3 games in…that’s one of our leaders folks. Now his inner circle is trashing the franchise that got him the closest to a title he’s ever been and legitimized him as an NBA star. This is gonna end up ugly…

[AirP.]

Jimmy takes the preseason off, plays with no f*cks to give, takes a game off 3 games in…that’s one of our leaders folks. Now his inner circle is trashing the franchise that got him the closest to a title he’s ever been and legitimized him as an NBA star. This is gonna end up ugly…

Probably, but you need to look at it from Butler's eyes, he got the Heat to the finals twice and both offseasons after those runs the rotation got worse by letting key starters/rotation players walk. Normally a franchise will try to strengthen their roster to try to win a championship, Miami hasn't done that, they hope for internal growth while letting more proven players walk which usually isn't the recipe for success.

[Heat3]

It doesn't matter. Signing a bad deal is always a bad idea. He should have been offer 2 years tops.

It doesn't matter who his replacement would be??

He isn't signing for 2 years. So someone has to play that role. A vet min guy?

How much better than Gabe was he? Yeah you go with a vet min guy rather than give a 35 year old who lost his starting job $85 mil / 3 years.

Not much better. But Lowry was a starter in Toronto. He was a starter in year 1 with the Heat and was a starter for most of the games he played last year.

I don’t see how you can use that as an argument against his contract. They cannot tell the future and think “we can’t sign him cause in a year and a half he won’t start some games”.

We could play that same game now. Dame most certainly won’t be worth $60M in his last year. Beal might not be worth his salary right now. Maybe Jimmy has fallen off the cliff already so not giving up assets this summer for “his” window was the right decision since it may already be closed. So turns out this was a summer of all the right moves being made. Just come back in 3 years and we’ll see.

Looking at it objectively, signing Lowry for three years they were probably expecting to get 2 out of him. In those two the team made it to within 1 shot of two Finals. That’s pretty good and would be hard to replicate going forward no matter moves are made.