Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

It doesn't even have to be a guard, just someone that can defend the perimeter, is willing to move the ball, and hits open shots. OG Anunoby would be ideal, we could then move Miller into the starting lineup and Hayward to the bench. And then start LaMelo, Miller, OG, PJ/Bridges, and Mark.

Toronto has only been asking for 3 firsts for him, should be an easy get lol.

And they haven't received that offer otherwise he would have been traded. He can walk this summer too, so the price definitely won't end up being 3 firsts. Masai is going to be fired if he lets another player walk for nothing this summer.

So you giving up firsts in 2025 and 2027 for him?

[LofJ]

Toronto has only been asking for 3 firsts for him, should be an easy get lol.

And they haven't received that offer otherwise he would have been traded. He can walk this summer too, so the price definitely won't end up being 3 firsts. Masai is going to be fired if he lets another player walk for nothing this summer.

So you giving up firsts in 2025 and 2027 for him?

I'd definitely trade one of those for him, but unless we can restock our incoming firsts by trading for another one I wouldn't go for trading both. That last part is obviously easier said than done.

Fultz is a more attainable player, but like you said in the LaMelo thread he still can't shoot. That isn't ideal, but otherwise his strengths and weaknesses are a good complement to LaMelo.

[JMAC3]

And they haven't received that offer otherwise he would have been traded. He can walk this summer too, so the price definitely won't end up being 3 firsts. Masai is going to be fired if he lets another player walk for nothing this summer.

So you giving up firsts in 2025 and 2027 for him?

I'd definitely trade one of those for him, but unless we can restock our incoming firsts by trading for another one I wouldn't go for trading both. That last part is obviously easier said than done.

Fultz is a more attainable player, but like you said in the LaMelo thread he still can't shoot. That isn't ideal, but otherwise his strengths and weaknesses are a good complement to LaMelo.

Yeah pretty sure every team in the NBA would trade 1 first for OG. That is the problem, especially teams who have a bunch of extra picks would toss several their way.

2 first seems like the cheapest he will be, so if we aren't willing to stomach that he is probably not a realistic option.

[JustBuzzin]

Thoughts on signing Paul George in the off-season?

He would basically be a better upgrade than Hayward and he already has a big brother mentor relationship with Brandon Miller.

I think that is the kind of move that will make this team a playoff caliber team.

Melo/Miller/PG/PJ/Mark

Long athletic lineup.

[JMAC3]

I know I am in the minority when it comes to backup pg, I think its less important than most.

I am more worried about Cody Martin, if he is unable to get healthy then trading for his replacement makes the most sense to me.

[LofJ]

How realistic do you guys think this trade is?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7873661

We send out Rozier and get back Fultz and Gary Harris.
Orlando sends out Fultz + Harris and gets back Russell.
The Lakers send out Russell and get Rozier.

We get two types of guards back that fit better with LaMelo. A 3/D guy in Harris, and a playmaker/D guy in Fultz. Both are also free agents next summer and we will have the cap space to pay the one we like better.

[fatlever]

I know I am in the minority when it comes to backup pg, I think its less important than most.

I am more worried about Cody Martin, if he is unable to get healthy then trading for his replacement makes the most sense to me.

Yeah, not having Cody or even a DSJ or Frank to be a POA guy is a big hole. Really could use Cody's energy.

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[JMAC3]

How realistic do you guys think this trade is?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7873661

We send out Rozier and get back Fultz and Gary Harris.
Orlando sends out Fultz + Harris and gets back Russell.
The Lakers send out Russell and get Rozier.

We get two types of guards back that fit better with LaMelo. A 3/D guy in Harris, and a playmaker/D guy in Fultz. Both are also free agents next summer and we will have the cap space to pay the one we like better.

I don't see Orlando doing this type of deal, both players are on expiring deals. Maybe if they were trying to get off money, but getting another expiring in DLO makes little sense for them. Also, not sure the #s work for Lakers who would be over the 2nd tax apron I believe.

I do think a guy like Gary Harris could be a solid Cody Martin replacement if Martin just is never the same post knee issues.

[LofJ]

How realistic do you guys think this trade is?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7873661

We send out Rozier and get back Fultz and Gary Harris.
Orlando sends out Fultz + Harris and gets back Russell.
The Lakers send out Russell and get Rozier.

We get two types of guards back that fit better with LaMelo. A 3/D guy in Harris, and a playmaker/D guy in Fultz. Both are also free agents next summer and we will have the cap space to pay the one we like better.

I don't see Orlando doing this type of deal, both players are on expiring deals. Maybe if they were trying to get off money, but getting another expiring in DLO makes little sense for them. Also, not sure the #s work for Lakers who would be over the 2nd tax apron I believe.

I do think a guy like Gary Harris could be a solid Cody Martin replacement if Martin just is never the same post knee issues.

The Lakers could send back more money if they needed to. We would probably also have to add some incentive for Orlando. But I don't think they'd look at this trade from a pure value standpoint. They need someone who can shoot to play off Wagner and Banchero. So I doubt they plan on bringing back Fultz. They also need to open up playing time for Anthony Black because he's buried on the bench behind all of their guards. They'd accomplish several goals by moving Fultz and consolidating their guard rotation.

[JDR720]

I’m of the opinion that if you replace Terry with any defensive guard, like Thybulle, we win more. Terry just doesn’t fit this team anymore. Pounds the ball, lots of iso shots, really bad on defense.

I think the team views Terry the opposite way.

At this point, I'd be shocked if we traded him.

But yeah, this team needs a defensive guard/wing badly.

Not sure about Thybulle though. He's a great defender, but he doesn't do anything else. Averages 1 rebound and 1 assist per game and pretty much never gets FT's.

He's a decent 3pt shooter though, so he could be a good 3&D player.


OG is too expensive, I think he gets at least 2 firsts + a solid prospect or two. We don't have that.

Fultz would be a good get. Doesn't shoot 3's, but he shoots a high FG% and is a good passer.

[bravor]

Not Fultz. Suggs could be a nice player here (at the very least defensively even if he's undersized). As inconsistent he is with his shot, he can be clutch in many other ways and he's a competitor, something which is severely lacking in this roster.
But yes, Orlando has a logjam at sg, something should be done with them. Maybe a three team trade with Atlanta and/or Detroit (they have too many wings most likely).

At this point i would consider buying out Rozier (two years at 24M basically).. you don't go anywhere playing him with Ball, even when he's scoring at a good %. Unless he could be sent to , say, Portland for Brodgon (who would go elsewhere even though i like him) for some picks/unwanted prospects (something which is missing, i mean prospects with real upside except the 'untouchable').

Need to keep an eye on western conference teams which had a bad start though (Minny/Memphis..)

But as usual, this team need to move on from stat making players to a win game mentality players. If you decide your core is Ball-Miller-Williams (BMW is cool) going forward, you trade for improving the roster from that. Esp with Hayward on his last year of contract

[Rich4114]

I really don't get the impression Mitch and Cliff view things the way we do. We're not the experts, they're supposed to be but what they've done so far hasn't worked. We can't really depend on Cody Martin and no matter how good Clifford thinks Frank is, his offense was going to tank us. We need a true 3&D guard/wing. Someone who won't need to dominate the ball like Terry. Or even just a reliable 3pt shooter. Isn't Terrance Ross still out there?

I really like the idea of going for Caruso if Chicago is concedes they can blow it up. Would also welcome Brogdon with open arms.

[Liver_Pooty]

I really don't get the impression Mitch and Cliff view things the way we do. We're not the experts, they're supposed to be but what they've done so far hasn't worked. We can't really depend on Cody Martin and no matter how good Clifford thinks Frank is, his offense was going to tank us. We need a true 3&D guard/wing. Someone who won't need to dominate the ball like Terry. Or even just a reliable 3pt shooter. Isn't Terrance Ross still out there?

I really like the idea of going for Caruso if Chicago is concedes they can blow it up. Would also welcome Brogdon with open arms.

Caruso is in my opinion the best perimeter defender in the league. He'd be a godsend for this team.

[SWedd523]

Yeah I would absolutely be targeting Caruso when Chicago implodes

[yosemiteben]

If we're looking for random depth, I like the idea of swapping Bouk for Jalen McD.

[HornetJail]

If we're looking for random depth, I like the idea of swapping Bouk for Jalen McD.

i'm gonna steal this for the T&T board

[JDR720]

Chicago trade...but without Caruso.

Charlotte trades = Miles, Thor and McGowans (or Bouknight).

Bulls trades = Ayo, Patrick Williams, 2nd round pick(s).

Why for us? Ayo is a solid backup PG, Williams is a solid 3&D player at PF/SF.

Why for them? Miles, if he screws his head on straight, is the best player in the deal.

[JDR720]

pie in the sky trade target: Pascal Siakam

OG is a common trade target among Toronto's SF/PF group.... but what about Pascal? He's the oldest, (turns 30 this year) but also the best (All-NBA player) yet he seems to fly under the radar... so maybe his trade value would be reasonable?


Charlotte trades = Miles, Gordon, Bouknight, McGowans and 2 1sts.
Toronto trades = Pascal, Jalen McDaniels, 2nd.

Why for us? Pascal would be our 2nd best player(maybe best, depending on Melo), Jalen is a known depth piece that played well here.
Why for Toronto? Get good assets, a large expiring contract yet could still remain competitive if Miles screws his head on straight.

[SWedd523]

I don't think Miles has any trade value. Aside from the PR aspect, he's a serious flight risk moving into FA since he'll be unrestricted (I think?)

[JDR720]

OKC trade.

Charlotte trades = Nick Richards, Thor, 2nd.

OKC trades = Jaylin Williams, Pokusevski.

Why for us? We get a 3&D PF/SF and take a swing on Poku (who for some reason is out of OKC's rotation this year).
Why for them? They get a C that isn't a human twig.