Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[IceColdCubano]

Metta Panda fear mongering is hilarious. I can feel his emotion dripping on every letter.

I don't know he sounds a lot chipper than usual to me....

[Rapaz]

For most, NBA championships are won in June.

For Micky, they’re won on April 15th.

[AirP.]

Quick question, if Miami had done basically nearly the same deal as LA did, give up a swap for a 1st, give up a 1st in a few years, a 2nd, Lowry as your expiring and say C.Martin, would Miami be a much better team currently and possibly for the next few years if they decided to resign Harden?

Harden, Richardson, Butler, Love, Bam
with a bench of
Scoring 6th man Herro, PJ Tucker, Bryant, Jaquez Jr, Jovic, Robinson, DRU

I think that team is dramatically better and having a high volume scorer in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

Don't like that Harden disappears in the playoffs from time to time, you got Butler and even Herro willing to take big shots, you just need that efficient offense for the first 3 1/2 quarters that Harden can help with.

The only issue is the owner wanting to be out of the tax after this year which probably means Lowry isn't being moved for much salary past this year and with that, might mean the only real option they may have it using Herro to upgrade the scoring position for a more win ready player for the playoffs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Metta Panda fear mongering is hilarious. I can feel his emotion dripping on every letter.

I don't know he sounds a lot chipper than usual to me....

You get me ICC lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

Metta Panda fear mongering is hilarious. I can feel his emotion dripping on every letter.

Was thinking of a name change. How does MorbidWorldPanda sound?

[Bourne85]

“3 wins from a championship” is a joke. Injured Gianni’s, and nearly blew a 3-0 lead to Boston if not for Tatum rolling his ankle on the very first play of game 7. Can’t keep looking past that without acknowledging all the flukes and luck that it took to get there. Caleb playing way above his standard, same for Gabe same for Strus. Jimmy playing the best he has ever played. This is the type of luck we are relying on? On an average day we are an average team period

I’m glad some of you are finally realizing it’s time to move on. Jimmy would net us quite a haul imo. There would be contenders fighting over themselves trying to outbid each other. I don’t think Philly would give us Maxey but he’s def the guy we should try to get for him. If not we look to Warriors for Kuminga and Moody. We try to land a young good player, we dump Lowry with him. Get back expirings, clear the books, get some picks back. That’s the right move as painful it is to blow it up, it’s the RIGHT move. Sell high on Jimmy now. We had a few chances this off-season to push us to championship contender status, that ship has sailed, we struck out. Our direct competitors in Boston and Milwaukee got way better. We are left in the dust praying for more miracles from Jimmy. It’s BS! Time to hit the reset on this franchise!

[AirP.]

“3 wins from a championship” is a joke. Injured Gianni’s, and nearly blew a 3-0 lead to Boston if not for Tatum rolling his ankle on the very first play of game 7. Can’t keep looking past that without acknowledging all the flukes and luck that it took to get there. Caleb playing way above his standard, same for Gabe same for Strus. Jimmy playing the best he has ever played. This is the type of luck we are relying on? On an average day we are an average team period

I’m glad some of you are finally realizing it’s time to move on. Jimmy would net us quite a haul imo. There would be contenders fighting over themselves trying to outbid each other. I don’t think Philly would give us Maxey but he’s def the guy we should try to get for him. If not we look to Warriors for Kuminga and Moody. We try to land a young good player, we dump Lowry with him. Get back expirings, clear the books, get some picks back. That’s the right move as painful it is to blow it up, it’s the RIGHT move. Sell high on Jimmy now. We had a few chances this off-season to push us to championship contender status, that ship has sailed, we struck out. Our direct competitors in Boston and Milwaukee got way better. We are left in the dust praying for more miracles from Jimmy. It’s BS! Time to hit the reset on this franchise!

I kind of want to see Maimi trade Butler so you can see what kind of haul it is and watch how much "hope" this team has for the next half decade. Minnesota is on year 6 after Butler and they had 2 young #1 overall picks they gave maxes to move forward with and did nothing with them other then get another #1 pick for a true franchise level player.

I do get the situation isn't ideal in Miami because of Butler's age, but Miami is really one legit playoff scorer and some development of Jaquez and Jovic away from being highly dangerous in the playoffs with Butler and Bam which is all you can ask for if you don't have an MVP level player on the roster.

[KingDavid]

Hm, if Lavine is available, I think the Heat are going to overpay to keep Jimmy happy. He would be tremendous help. But damn it would be wonderful, yet unrealistic if we could keep Herro while offloading Lowry & Duncan. We'd have to say goodbye to JJJ & Jovic too I'd imagine.

[Kobewade11]

“3 wins from a championship” is a joke. Injured Gianni’s, and nearly blew a 3-0 lead to Boston if not for Tatum rolling his ankle on the very first play of game 7. Can’t keep looking past that without acknowledging all the flukes and luck that it took to get there. Caleb playing way above his standard, same for Gabe same for Strus. Jimmy playing the best he has ever played. This is the type of luck we are relying on? On an average day we are an average team period

I’m glad some of you are finally realizing it’s time to move on. Jimmy would net us quite a haul imo. There would be contenders fighting over themselves trying to outbid each other. I don’t think Philly would give us Maxey but he’s def the guy we should try to get for him.

Ble ble ble..all these teams had injuries and so did we. You are even more delusional than I thought if you think you are getting a haul for a 34 year old Jimmy Butler.

[Bishop45]

Harden/Kyrie were the only low-fruit offensive players that I thought we had a shot at-- improving the roster from where we are now will likely be a challenge without extreme circumstance (more extreme than Dame and Harden)

We likely don't sell high (as possible) on Butler, but I'd look into it. Cavs/Wolves/Kings look like buyers

[Bishop45]

We're likely not trading the core tho, probably going to fish for more shooters in the meantime.

I'd try my hand for Julius Randle + plus shooters while his stock is low

[twix2500]

Harden/Kyrie were the only low-fruit offensive players that I thought we had a shot at-- improving the roster from where we are now will likely be a challenge without extreme circumstance (more extreme than Dame and Harden)

We likely don't sell high (as possible) on Butler, but I'd look into it. Cavs/Wolves/Kings look like buyers

I think they were a possibility but just like Lowry, Kyrie and Harden would of been a 1 yr and done situation at the most. All these big names are one and done moves.

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[AirP.]

Harden/Kyrie were the only low-fruit offensive players that I thought we had a shot at-- improving the roster from where we are now will likely be a challenge without extreme circumstance (more extreme than Dame and Harden)

We likely don't sell high (as possible) on Butler, but I'd look into it. Cavs/Wolves/Kings look like buyers

May still have a shot at Kyrie depending on how Dallas does in the West. At some point Dallas may want to cash in on Kyrie being "good" and not a problem for younger talent.

[AirP.]

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[Bishop45]

Harden/Kyrie were the only low-fruit offensive players that I thought we had a shot at-- improving the roster from where we are now will likely be a challenge without extreme circumstance (more extreme than Dame and Harden)

We likely don't sell high (as possible) on Butler, but I'd look into it. Cavs/Wolves/Kings look like buyers

I think they were a possibility but just like Lowry, Kyrie and Harden would of been a 1 yr and done situation at the most. All these big names are one and done moves.

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One and done, better than none

[twix2500]

Harden/Kyrie were the only low-fruit offensive players that I thought we had a shot at-- improving the roster from where we are now will likely be a challenge without extreme circumstance (more extreme than Dame and Harden)

We likely don't sell high (as possible) on Butler, but I'd look into it. Cavs/Wolves/Kings look like buyers

I think they were a possibility but just like Lowry, Kyrie and Harden would of been a 1 yr and done situation at the most. All these big names are one and done moves.

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One and done, better than none

Not according to most in this room. They don't want to sacrifice next two season for this season. You see how they complain about old stars.

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[Hoops3355]

Hm, if Lavine is available, I think the Heat are going to overpay to keep Jimmy happy. He would be tremendous help. But damn it would be wonderful, yet unrealistic if we could keep Herro while offloading Lowry & Duncan. We'd have to say goodbye to JJJ & Jovic too I'd imagine.

What's the deal with his knees? I feel like that the question a lot of teams are gonna be asking about.

I've seen him a bunch in person at the United Center and the dude can shoot the ball.

[twix2500]

Lineups 10 mins and more

1. Lowry, Herro, Butler, Love, Bam
38 mins, Ofrtg 124.1, DefRtg 102.5, NetRtg +21.5

2. Dru Smith, Herro, Martin, Jaquez, Bryant
10 mins, Ofrtg 110.0, DefRtg 94.7, NetRtg +15.3

3. Lowry, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
15 mins, Ofrtg 113.3, DefRtg 113.3, NetRtg 0

4. Richardson, Herro, D. Robinson, Jaquez, O. Robinson
12 mins, Ofrtg 124.0, DefRtg 140.0, NetRtg -16.0

5. Lowry, Herro, Butler, Love, Bryant
16 mins, Ofrtg 91.7, DefRtg 113.5, NetRtg -21.8

6. Dru Smith, Herro, Robinson, Jaquez, Bryant
13 mins, Ofrtg 107.4, DefRtg 138.8, NetRtg -23.4

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[BadMofoPimp]

Quick question, if Miami had done basically nearly the same deal as LA did, give up a swap for a 1st, give up a 1st in a few years, a 2nd, Lowry as your expiring and say C.Martin, would Miami be a much better team currently and possibly for the next few years if they decided to resign Harden?

Harden, Richardson, Butler, Love, Bam
with a bench of
Scoring 6th man Herro, PJ Tucker, Bryant, Jaquez Jr, Jovic, Robinson, DRU

I think that team is dramatically better and having a high volume scorer in the starting lineup and coming off the bench.

Don't like that Harden disappears in the playoffs from time to time, you got Butler and even Herro willing to take big shots, you just need that efficient offense for the first 3 1/2 quarters that Harden can help with.

The only issue is the owner wanting to be out of the tax after this year which probably means Lowry isn't being moved for much salary past this year and with that, might mean the only real option they may have it using Herro to upgrade the scoring position for a more win ready player for the playoffs.

I take Herro over Hardin at his age and salary. But, if the team could have gotten Harden for Lowry, role players and a 1st swap, sure. That would be good depth.

A Herro/Harden back court wouldn't stop anyone but would be great to watch.

[Flash4thewin]

Hm, if Lavine is available, I think the Heat are going to overpay to keep Jimmy happy. He would be tremendous help. But damn it would be wonderful, yet unrealistic if we could keep Herro while offloading Lowry & Duncan. We'd have to say goodbye to JJJ & Jovic too I'd imagine.

What's the deal with his knees? I feel like that the question a lot of teams are gonna be asking about.

I've seen him a bunch in person at the United Center and the dude can shoot the ball.

Lavine is with Klutch sports so