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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 4: Orlando Magic (2-1) at Los Angeles Clippers (2-1) - 10:30pm 

Post#601 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Nov 1, 2023 4:45 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:Paolo is missing wide open shots and free throws. Fultz being part of the spacing problem overall is true but it isn’t the reason he’s missing those nor is he the reason others are.

The question is - what do you do in the interim? What tweaks do you make to the rotation or lineup that may help this group?


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push the pace and try to get as many easy buckets in transition as possible, that would require more Black at SF and less Ingles
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Post#602 » by Statlanta » Wed Nov 1, 2023 4:57 pm

OrlandoSaban wrote:We looked like a bunch of scared Betas out there last night. Looked like Men vs. Boys. Since there is zero chance of competing for a championship this season, I say we tank again.


Tank for another young player who will get sonned by grown men. At what point do we stop relying on potential?
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Post#603 » by VFX » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:11 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:Paolo is missing wide open shots and free throws. Fultz being part of the spacing problem overall is true but it isn’t the reason he’s missing those nor is he the reason others are.

The question is - what do you do in the interim? What tweaks do you make to the rotation or lineup that may help this group?


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Move Fultz and filler for a vet point guard that can shoot and run plays in a half court set to help Paolo from crashing into a wall of defenders. Have Cole backup and learn from whoever this is. Black gets reserve minutes this season and takes over for said vet next season. The alternative to this is paying Fultz real money and kicking the can down the road hoping the problem solves itself. No thanks.

This is a development year whether the fans / Paolo and co like it or not. The roster construction is still flawed and it was apparent to most of us this off-season when we wanted obvious changes. Paolo also needs to develop a shot like every other first option.

You can’t heavily invest in players with top lottery picks and continue to forgo obvious problems that don’t help them in the long term because you want short term immediate success.
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Post#605 » by eyriq » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:18 pm

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NavalAviator94 wrote:Paolo is missing wide open shots and free throws. Fultz being part of the spacing problem overall is true but it isn’t the reason he’s missing those nor is he the reason others are.

The question is - what do you do in the interim? What tweaks do you make to the rotation or lineup that may help this group?


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Move Fultz and filler for a vet point guard that can shoot and run plays in a half court set to help Paolo from crashing into a wall of defenders. Have Cole backup and learn from whoever this is. Black gets reserve minutes this season and takes over for said vet next season. The alternative to this is paying Fultz real money and kicking the can down the road hoping the problem solves itself. No thanks.

This is a development year whether the fans / Paolo and co like it or not. The roster construction is still flawed and it was apparent to most of us this off-season when we wanted obvious changes. Paolo also needs to develop a shot like every other first option.

You can’t heavily invest in players with top lottery picks and continue to forgo obvious problems that don’t help them in the long term because you want short term immediate success.
I really want it to work with Black. 6'7 playmaker with elite defense, playmaking, and FTr would be such a nice fit with our defense first mindset. Paolo and Franz drive the offense as they get better.
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Post#606 » by VFX » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:20 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:Paolo is missing wide open shots and free throws. Fultz being part of the spacing problem overall is true but it isn’t the reason he’s missing those nor is he the reason others are.

The question is - what do you do in the interim? What tweaks do you make to the rotation or lineup that may help this group?


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Move Fultz and filler for a vet point guard that can shoot and run plays in a half court set to help Paolo from crashing into a wall of defenders. Have Cole backup and learn from whoever this is. Black gets reserve minutes this season and takes over for said vet next season. The alternative to this is paying Fultz real money and kicking the can down the road hoping the problem solves itself. No thanks.

This is a development year whether the fans / Paolo and co like it or not. The roster construction is still flawed and it was apparent to most of us this off-season when we wanted obvious changes. Paolo also needs to develop a shot like every other first option.

You can’t heavily invest in players with top lottery picks and continue to forgo obvious problems that don’t help them in the long term because you want short term immediate success.
I really want it to work with Black. 6'7 playmaker with elite defense, playmaking, and FTr would be such a nice fit with our defense first mindset. Paolo and Franz drive the offense as they get better.


I’m a fan of Black because of his length and the timeframe of his development. He has the same issues with shooting, but he can at least create opportunities at the line and run an offense.

I think he needs some time still.

It’s difficult to have 4/5 of your starters developing their games at the same time while expecting winning results against veteran teams. I believe that’s why Mosley hasn’t thrown Jett or AB out there much yet.
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Post#607 » by NavalAviator94 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:38 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:Paolo is missing wide open shots and free throws. Fultz being part of the spacing problem overall is true but it isn’t the reason he’s missing those nor is he the reason others are.

The question is - what do you do in the interim? What tweaks do you make to the rotation or lineup that may help this group?


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Move Fultz and filler for a vet point guard that can shoot and run plays in a half court set to help Paolo from crashing into a wall of defenders. Have Cole backup and learn from whoever this is. Black gets reserve minutes this season and takes over for said vet next season. The alternative to this is paying Fultz real money and kicking the can down the road hoping the problem solves itself. No thanks.

This is a development year whether the fans / Paolo and co like it or not. The roster construction is still flawed and it was apparent to most of us this off-season when we wanted obvious changes. Paolo also needs to develop a shot like every other first option.

You can’t heavily invest in players with top lottery picks and continue to forgo obvious problems that don’t help them in the long term because you want short term immediate success.

Agree 100% with this but who? I just don’t see a team valuing Fultz more than we do at the moment.

Who’s a guy that can play at a high level for atleast 3 years while Black hopefully develops? That’s attainable? Maybe that happens by the deadline but Fultz’s value right now is not great.


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Post#608 » by Bergmaniac » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:38 pm

So far both Paolo and Fultz are shooting 29.2% on jump shots. Suggs is shooting 25%. Wendel is shooting 13.3% Even Franz is shooting only 33%. Hard to win games when nobody in the starting 5 can make a jump shot at a decent clip.
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Post#609 » by eyriq » Wed Nov 1, 2023 5:57 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:So far both Paolo and Fultz are shooting 29.2% on jump shots. Suggs is shooting 25%. Wendel is shooting 13.3% Even Franz is shooting only 33%. Hard to win games when nobody in the starting 5 can make a jump shot at a decent clip.
OMG that is ugly and offensive. This needs to be a safe space, think of the children.
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Post#610 » by Bensational » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:27 pm

You don’t win games when your top 2 players can’t score or be effective playmakers. I’m not sitting through round 2 of Vucevic and excusing a best player for playing poorly and blaming his failures on the rest of the team. If Paolo doesn’t have a surefire way to get his own buckets then his value as a go to scorer dwindles. He has to figure that out.
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Post#611 » by BlueBalls » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:32 pm

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Yeah, Paolo is scaring me. Same with WCJ.
I will say LAC actually played some good defense. But we got looks, someone needs to start hitting.
No FTA for Fultz, Suggs AND Franz...
TOs were horrible, the starters had 13 of the 16.

Ingles signing has looked horrible, put him on the coaching staff if he's a good mentor, hasn't done a thing on the court.
Give his minutes to Jett or Houstan.

I did enjoy the last few minutes of Goga, Houstan, Black, Jett and Okeke.


Ingles has no business getting minutes. Terrible for our “big” offseason FA acquisition.

you arent worried about our starting PG going 0-0 from 3. he provides zero spacing for the rest of the team. he isnt that good at all other aspects of his game to be a zero from 3. And Suggs is still horrible from 3. he cant still use being a 2 sport player as an excuse. he is now on year 4 as strictly a basketball player and that outside shot still sucks


It’s not just Fultz. None of the guys in the first 5 create a ton of space. Suggs is not a reliable 3 point shooter. Not enough to be a space creator. Paolo? “LOL.” Carter can’t even hit 5 footers. Franz is the closest thing, and even he is hardly a deadeye sniper.

Thus, Fultz not being a perimeter threat isn’t a huge problem. He creates in other ways. I’d love it if he could shoot, but it’s beginning to look like he is what he is.

Makes this offseason look like the total bust I’ve been saying it was since before the draft. Ingles is worthless. I liked the pickup when they made it, as a minor acquisition, but I certainly hadn’t scouted him recently, and apparently neither did our FO. So we’re going to rumble & stumble to 40-44 wins, leave these 2 lotto picks rotting on the bench - picks that made little sense at the time - and lather/rinse/repeat. This roster makes no sense. Never has.
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Post#612 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:36 pm

eyriq wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:So far both Paolo and Fultz are shooting 29.2% on jump shots. Suggs is shooting 25%. Wendel is shooting 13.3% Even Franz is shooting only 33%. Hard to win games when nobody in the starting 5 can make a jump shot at a decent clip.
OMG that is ugly and offensive. This needs to be a safe space, think of the children.


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Post#613 » by eyriq » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:37 pm

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eyriq wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:So far both Paolo and Fultz are shooting 29.2% on jump shots. Suggs is shooting 25%. Wendel is shooting 13.3% Even Franz is shooting only 33%. Hard to win games when nobody in the starting 5 can make a jump shot at a decent clip.
OMG that is ugly and offensive. This needs to be a safe space, think of the children.


#1 in most defensive metrics though.
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Post#614 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:41 pm

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eyriq wrote:OMG that is ugly and offensive. This needs to be a safe space, think of the children.


#1 in most defensive metrics though.
Gotta love it


The shots will start falling. Energy conservation needs to be taught to them. There is a happy place in the middle that they'll find eventually. But right now that whole starting unit is playing mach 10 on D. Like last night they were stifling LAC in the 1st quarter but they couldn't score themselves. A lot of shots close to the bucket were missed. I would just let them play themselves into better shape and not worry too much.
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Post#615 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:45 pm

Bensational wrote:You don’t win games when your top 2 players can’t score or be effective playmakers. I’m not sitting through round 2 of Vucevic and excusing a best player for playing poorly and blaming his failures on the rest of the team. If Paolo doesn’t have a surefire way to get his own buckets then his value as a go to scorer dwindles. He has to figure that out.

I am going to go out on a really far limb here… I think the 20 year old will get better. He is not the winning star yet and Teams have figured out this offense blitz the high lane and leave Fultz and Suggs wide open. I do like Fultz but his shot is back to Philly era which is disaster for spacing for Paolo and Franz. Yea Paolo should be the number 1 but he is nowhere near his prime.

I normally agree with you on Fultz but he is suppose to be in his prime and is paid the highest on the team. Even I can’t buy giving Fultz a pass any longer. I think he can be a solid pg if you give him 3 shooters around him…. He just doesn’t fit and him being the older vet he deserves to take some heat.
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Post#616 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 6:48 pm

Some of yall need to back off the cliff our best players are 22 and 20 (about to turn 21). There not suddenly going to be two way stars. There will be growing pains but our defense will keep us in so many games we don’t even belong being in. If we beat Utah we would have 2-2 road trip. Which is extremely good for a possible 37-40 win team.
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Post#617 » by KillMonger » Wed Nov 1, 2023 7:19 pm

eyriq wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
eyriq wrote:OMG that is ugly and offensive. This needs to be a safe space, think of the children.


#1 in most defensive metrics though.
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Post#618 » by Bensational » Wed Nov 1, 2023 7:24 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Bensational wrote:You don’t win games when your top 2 players can’t score or be effective playmakers. I’m not sitting through round 2 of Vucevic and excusing a best player for playing poorly and blaming his failures on the rest of the team. If Paolo doesn’t have a surefire way to get his own buckets then his value as a go to scorer dwindles. He has to figure that out.

I am going to go out on a really far limb here… I think the 20 year old will get better. He is not the winning star yet and Teams have figured out this offense blitz the high lane and leave Fultz and Suggs wide open. I do like Fultz but his shot is back to Philly era which is disaster for spacing for Paolo and Franz. Yea Paolo should be the number 1 but he is nowhere near his prime.

I normally agree with you on Fultz but he is suppose to be in his prime and is paid the highest on the team. Even I can’t buy giving Fultz a pass any longer. I think he can be a solid pg if you give him 3 shooters around him…. He just doesn’t fit and him being the older vet he deserves to take some heat.


I’ll be happy for Fultz to be traded just to stop hearing his name as the scapegoat. It isn’t going to make Paolo magically learn to get to better spots or learn to pass the ball instead of forcing contact and then missing half his FTs.

Paolo has no business being a #1 right now. Franz absolutely does, because he’s a bonafide triple threat and he’s smart. I’m surprised nobody has acknowledged how much of Paolo’s offensive arsenal is just AG’s same old moves except Paolo gets the whistle for FTs more. He’s not growing into a winning offense that way.

That’s not me throwing the baby out with the bath water on Paolo, I’m just setting out firm expectations for someone who wants to be a #1, and it starts first of all by playing like one.
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Post#619 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 7:27 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Some of yall need to back off the cliff our best players are 22 and 20 (about to turn 21). There not suddenly going to be two way stars. There will be growing pains but our defense will keep us in so many games we don’t even belong being in. If we beat Utah we would have 2-2 road trip. Which is extremely good for a possible 37-40 win team.


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Post#620 » by tiderulz » Wed Nov 1, 2023 7:31 pm

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Ingles has no business getting minutes. Terrible for our “big” offseason FA acquisition.

you arent worried about our starting PG going 0-0 from 3. he provides zero spacing for the rest of the team. he isnt that good at all other aspects of his game to be a zero from 3. And Suggs is still horrible from 3. he cant still use being a 2 sport player as an excuse. he is now on year 4 as strictly a basketball player and that outside shot still sucks


It’s not just Fultz. None of the guys in the first 5 create a ton of space. Suggs is not a reliable 3 point shooter. Not enough to be a space creator. Paolo? “LOL.” Carter can’t even hit 5 footers. Franz is the closest thing, and even he is hardly a deadeye sniper.

Thus, Fultz not being a perimeter threat isn’t a huge problem. He creates in other ways. I’d love it if he could shoot, but it’s beginning to look like he is what he is.

Makes this offseason look like the total bust I’ve been saying it was since before the draft. Ingles is worthless. I liked the pickup when they made it, as a minor acquisition, but I certainly hadn’t scouted him recently, and apparently neither did our FO. So we’re going to rumble & stumble to 40-44 wins, leave these 2 lotto picks rotting on the bench - picks that made little sense at the time - and lather/rinse/repeat. This roster makes no sense. Never has.

but what he is, isnt good enough for what he doesnt bring

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