These two losses are depressing, tell me one positive thing you like so far about this team...

[RookieStar]

The LOSSES are depressing. Not the team.

Why are the losses depressing when we know we have only a small chance of winning? It should be expected.

Because we've been rebuilding since 2012, we've blown many draft picks, and it seems pretty clear that we don't have the right front office to end this ludicrously long rebuild.

Uh we finally got our PB pick right. Not to mention Franz and Suggs. What did you expect, we will be world beaters with our junior and sophonore players?

[Skin]

Jalen Suggs. Franchise caliber heart and hustle player. He will win us some big games in the future, no doubt.

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

[Bensational]

Jalen Suggs. Franchise caliber heart and hustle player. He will win us some big games in the future, no doubt.

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

[KillMonger]

We got issues to clean up and now that some time has passed I feel better...... Still early..... Still don't know what's real or what's not just yet, not enough data.... I mean the grizzlies are 0-5.....heat 1-4

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[basketballRob]

I think the coaches probably learned a lesson not to practice the day before a b2b on a week when you've flown 4000 miles that week.

We play Utah tonight after flying 4700 miles, and with the practice, we'll be running in 4 days out of 5. I expect the shooting may be rough tonight, too. You don't miss that many FTs by all the players unless the whole team has heavy legs. Even Harris missed multiple FTs and banked a 3 against the Clippers.

Hopefully, the boneheaded coaches don't run them more on the off days.

It was SVG policy never to practice before or after a b2b, and I would imagine that Clifford had the same policy. That way, you would never run the players for 3 straight days.


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[ORLMagicGirl15]

Look, we’re still young. The two teams we looked better than and beat (Portland score was closer than it was) are winning some games now against teams people thought looked sneaky good very early. Paolo is not playing like himself, a little sophomore slump starting out. Shots are not falling, but we’re moving the ball much better and our overall offensive rating is better. Our defense is superb. Lost to the two very veteran LA teams. Should’ve won the Lakers game and the Clippers we had the third quarter bug again when we should’ve stomped them in the first quarter. I think we should look at inserting Jett and Caleb on certain bench units to help quick shooting and energy. Black and Jalen would be a disgusting defensive back court in spurts. ( yes the shooting would be horrendous) but we’re 2-2 and we haven’t even played one east team. The west is stacked. Even the bad teams are young and athletic. Hopefully Mose has them come out raging against Utah and the first west coast trip will pretty much be successful. If we get through this early part of the schedule close to .500, I think we’ll be ok. Let’s wait a second before we freak out. I swear, this board can be like the Dr Pepper college football fansville commercial where they’re saying the season is over after the first play.

Not even sure why you would assume we think the season is over. I specifically said that the LOSSES are depressing not the SEASON!

[penny_nz]

Defense has been good, feels like the energy on the boards is better as well!

Jalen is a hell of an impact player on the defensive end

[pepe1991]

Jalen Suggs. Franchise caliber heart and hustle player. He will win us some big games in the future, no doubt.

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

Suggs problem is simple. He is terrible ballhandler to be PG ( with horrific decision making under pressure ) but way below average shooter to be starting SG.

Cavs have same problem with Okoro. High investment, not point guard, not shooting guard, undersized to play anything else. They play him at SF now.
Okoro did show some signs of life as shooter this year, but i highly doubt it will be sustainable, much like Suggs.


Those "dive for every ball" type of players are tricky to evaluate. People were 100% sure Smart is "winning player" for past decade. I don't know how many debates i had about him. To me , he was just guy who had incredible luxury to be tagged with much better players every year.
Boston is probably best team in basketball in this moment, and Memphis with "winning player" is 0-5. Jrue isn't as good defender as Smart is, but is way better playmaker & less prone for hero-ball that Smart was always known for. ( Smart's 5 opening games from last year included 1-9 for 3 game and 2-9 for 3 game). Jrue simply won't do such dumb stuff.

Self proclaimed Celtics "leader" wasn't that hard to replace after all.

And i think we do have similar problem with Suggs. He thinks he is leader and he simply thinks he is better than he is. And yes, he is everywhere on a floor and goes after everything, but he also will go for glory and take shots he has no business taking, like that diving layup on set Lakers defense with 20 sec on a clock where ball didn't even touch rim.


We have whole season to evaluate what's going on, but i think people give Banchero way too much crap for things he can't control. He can't beat 3 men off a dribble and score if opposing team defends nobody pass 12 feet but him and Franz. It's dummyball.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

Suggs problem is simple. He is terrible ballhandler to be PG ( with horrific decision making under pressure ) but way below average shooter to be starting SG.

Cavs have same problem with Okoro. High investment, not point guard, not shooting guard, undersized to play anything else. They play him at SF now.
Okoro did show some signs of life as shooter this year, but i highly doubt it will be sustainable, much like Suggs.


Those "dive for every ball" type of players are tricky to evaluate. People were 100% sure Smart is "winning player" for past decade. I don't know how many debates i had about him. To me , he was just guy who had incredible luxury to be tagged with much better players every year.
Boston is probably best team in basketball in this moment, and Memphis with "winning player" is 0-5. Jrue isn't as good defender as Smart is, but is way better playmaker & less prone for hero-ball that Smart was always known for. ( Smart's 5 opening games from last year included 1-9 for 3 game and 2-9 for 3 game). Jrue simply won't do such dumb stuff.

Self proclaimed Celtics "leader" wasn't that hard to replace after all.

And i think we do have similar problem with Suggs. He thinks he is leader and he simply thinks he is better than he is. And yes, he is everywhere on a floor and goes after everything, but he also will go for glory and take shots he has no business taking, like that diving layup on set Lakers defense with 20 sec on a clock where ball didn't even touch rim.


We have whole season to evaluate what's going on, but i think people give Banchero way too much crap for things he can't control. He can't beat 3 men off a dribble and score if opposing team defends nobody pass 12 feet but him and Franz. It's dummyball.

Sorry, this thread is about something positive about the team. There are other threads where you can argue about all of this.

[pepe1991]

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

Suggs problem is simple. He is terrible ballhandler to be PG ( with horrific decision making under pressure ) but way below average shooter to be starting SG.

Cavs have same problem with Okoro. High investment, not point guard, not shooting guard, undersized to play anything else. They play him at SF now.
Okoro did show some signs of life as shooter this year, but i highly doubt it will be sustainable, much like Suggs.


Those "dive for every ball" type of players are tricky to evaluate. People were 100% sure Smart is "winning player" for past decade. I don't know how many debates i had about him. To me , he was just guy who had incredible luxury to be tagged with much better players every year.
Boston is probably best team in basketball in this moment, and Memphis with "winning player" is 0-5. Jrue isn't as good defender as Smart is, but is way better playmaker & less prone for hero-ball that Smart was always known for. ( Smart's 5 opening games from last year included 1-9 for 3 game and 2-9 for 3 game). Jrue simply won't do such dumb stuff.

Self proclaimed Celtics "leader" wasn't that hard to replace after all.

And i think we do have similar problem with Suggs. He thinks he is leader and he simply thinks he is better than he is. And yes, he is everywhere on a floor and goes after everything, but he also will go for glory and take shots he has no business taking, like that diving layup on set Lakers defense with 20 sec on a clock where ball didn't even touch rim.


We have whole season to evaluate what's going on, but i think people give Banchero way too much crap for things he can't control. He can't beat 3 men off a dribble and score if opposing team defends nobody pass 12 feet but him and Franz. It's dummyball.

Sorry, this thread is about something positive about the team. There are other threads where you can argue about all of this.

My bad, i just wanted to adress issue. Sorry.

[TheChaser]

Look, we’re still young. The two teams we looked better than and beat (Portland score was closer than it was) are winning some games now against teams people thought looked sneaky good very early. Paolo is not playing like himself, a little sophomore slump starting out. Shots are not falling, but we’re moving the ball much better and our overall offensive rating is better. Our defense is superb. Lost to the two very veteran LA teams. Should’ve won the Lakers game and the Clippers we had the third quarter bug again when we should’ve stomped them in the first quarter. I think we should look at inserting Jett and Caleb on certain bench units to help quick shooting and energy. Black and Jalen would be a disgusting defensive back court in spurts. ( yes the shooting would be horrendous) but we’re 2-2 and we haven’t even played one east team. The west is stacked. Even the bad teams are young and athletic. Hopefully Mose has them come out raging against Utah and the first west coast trip will pretty much be successful. If we get through this early part of the schedule close to .500, I think we’ll be ok. Let’s wait a second before we freak out. I swear, this board can be like the Dr Pepper college football fansville commercial where they’re saying the season is over after the first play.

Not even sure why you would assume we think the season is over. I specifically said that the LOSSES are depressing not the SEASON!

I was making a reference to the commercials. It was a joke. You know, like this board overreacts…

[Audi]

We have a much larger sample size showing these guys are better than they’ve been offensively. Maybe not significantly better, but still not this bad. Chin up everyone!

[pepe1991]

our defense has been pretty damn good.

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Jalen Suggs. Franchise caliber heart and hustle player. He will win us some big games in the future, no doubt.

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

You’re extremely annoying these days.

Who do you like on this team and why?

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Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

Suggs problem is simple. He is terrible ballhandler to be PG ( with horrific decision making under pressure ) but way below average shooter to be starting SG.

Cavs have same problem with Okoro. High investment, not point guard, not shooting guard, undersized to play anything else. They play him at SF now.
Okoro did show some signs of life as shooter this year, but i highly doubt it will be sustainable, much like Suggs.


Those "dive for every ball" type of players are tricky to evaluate. People were 100% sure Smart is "winning player" for past decade. I don't know how many debates i had about him. To me , he was just guy who had incredible luxury to be tagged with much better players every year.
Boston is probably best team in basketball in this moment, and Memphis with "winning player" is 0-5. Jrue isn't as good defender as Smart is, but is way better playmaker & less prone for hero-ball that Smart was always known for. ( Smart's 5 opening games from last year included 1-9 for 3 game and 2-9 for 3 game). Jrue simply won't do such dumb stuff.

Self proclaimed Celtics "leader" wasn't that hard to replace after all.

And i think we do have similar problem with Suggs. He thinks he is leader and he simply thinks he is better than he is. And yes, he is everywhere on a floor and goes after everything, but he also will go for glory and take shots he has no business taking, like that diving layup on set Lakers defense with 20 sec on a clock where ball didn't even touch rim.


We have whole season to evaluate what's going on, but i think people give Banchero way too much crap for things he can't control. He can't beat 3 men off a dribble and score if opposing team defends nobody pass 12 feet but him and Franz. It's dummyball.

Pepe.

You made your mind up about Suggs 1 season in.

He could be first team all defense and completely prove you wrong by all metrics and it wouldn’t matter. That’s how you operate. Therefore; nothing you say really matters on player analysis. You’ll die in the hill regardless of improvement or development. Nobody needs to read 20 paragraphs of you justifying the stance you made 2 years ago.

You’re also mysteriously silent when things are going right with Suggs making plays in games. Then you appear when losses occur with your “analysis”.

[ibraheim718]

Some people would rather have a starting 5 of all Darrell Armstrong's than a winning team.

The team can afford to have 1 in the starting 5. Still leaves you 4 other players who can be the star you’re searching for.

Suggs problem is simple. He is terrible ballhandler to be PG ( with horrific decision making under pressure ) but way below average shooter to be starting SG.

Cavs have same problem with Okoro. High investment, not point guard, not shooting guard, undersized to play anything else. They play him at SF now.
Okoro did show some signs of life as shooter this year, but i highly doubt it will be sustainable, much like Suggs.


Those "dive for every ball" type of players are tricky to evaluate. People were 100% sure Smart is "winning player" for past decade. I don't know how many debates i had about him. To me , he was just guy who had incredible luxury to be tagged with much better players every year.
Boston is probably best team in basketball in this moment, and Memphis with "winning player" is 0-5. Jrue isn't as good defender as Smart is, but is way better playmaker & less prone for hero-ball that Smart was always known for. ( Smart's 5 opening games from last year included 1-9 for 3 game and 2-9 for 3 game). Jrue simply won't do such dumb stuff.

Self proclaimed Celtics "leader" wasn't that hard to replace after all.

And i think we do have similar problem with Suggs. He thinks he is leader and he simply thinks he is better than he is. And yes, he is everywhere on a floor and goes after everything, but he also will go for glory and take shots he has no business taking, like that diving layup on set Lakers defense with 20 sec on a clock where ball didn't even touch rim.


We have whole season to evaluate what's going on, but i think people give Banchero way too much crap for things he can't control. He can't beat 3 men off a dribble and score if opposing team defends nobody pass 12 feet but him and Franz. It's dummyball.

Suggs has more game winning buckets than anyone on the team.

Suggs and Okoro aren't even in the same league as far as play making and passing. Against The Clippers it was Suggs who assisted on the 3 easy buckets they had the whole game.

Can Okoro throw an inbounds pass like the two Suggs threw Wagner to beat the clock last year?

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Just show me one pass similar to this from Okoro or Smart or Holiday.

Look he's a later bloomer skill-wise because he was a two way athlete his whole life until college.

The numbers may not show it yet 4 games into the season but the eye test shows no one has improved their game more than he has during the off season. The handle is tighter.. the passing is crisper.. he's finishing around the rim better (he leads the starters in FG% from 3ft and in.. and has added a euro step through to his game... he's 7 for 7 from the free throw line.

See here's the problem with you Pepe you don't see the game the way I do. You don't like the dude and have already painted yourself into a corner with him so then you run to the boxscore and use stats to validate yourself. That's just how it is. To compare him to Okoro is insane.. he'll be better than Smart.. he and Jrue play at different speeds but Jalen has the potential to have a higher peak.

Go read the general board when the Magic play and see what objective fans say about him.

You unfortunately have stamped your forehead with a big ol' hater stamp. You can't be taken seriously.

[JF5]

We have a much larger sample size showing these guys are better than they’ve been offensively. Maybe not significantly better, but still not this bad. Chin up everyone!

I think people have to realize the first few weeks to a month of the season you're working your way back to game. Also, with less time geared to training camp and preseason (Some players don't even participate at all in preseason) you're going to have situations where guys will be struggling off the rip.


If you look at Star players right now a lot of them are shooting low percentages right now to start the season. A lot of them shooting around 30 or low 40 percentages. These guys will probably get their wind back by mid to late November...

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Guys, I want to know what positive things you have noticed about this team so far? We have threads where you guys can argue about players and trade. Thank you.

[eyriq]

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The bright spots this season...

The defense is absolutely real. Teams are going to hate playing us. I really believe we have a top 3-5 defense.

The development of Franz. He's becoming a legitimate player on offense. He's getting some recognition that will put Orlando on the map.

The development of Suggs. He makes watching defense fun. Dare I say more fun than any form of offense. He's elite on that side.

This team actually likes each other and you can tell. It doesnt feel like a bunch of mercenaries looking for a paycheck like it did in previous seasons.