Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero

[uraverage]

First NBA season 72 vs 0 games played.. which one you picking.

Andre Wiggins played in 82 games in his first year, compared to Joel Embiid’s 0.

Who you got?

If you use Embiid\Wiggins to compare with then you have to account for the first 2 years Embiid missed (327 vs 94 for the first 4 years).

Is Chet greater than Paolo if Chet plays only 94 games in 4 years? I don't think so.

[Ayt]

Chet can be a top 20 player in the league even if he is scoring 15 ppg. Ridiculous to pass up on him with that potential as a rim protector and floor spacer at the 5.

Paolo has potential to be a top 10 player in the league. He just needs his scoring off the dribble to come together.

Neither his physical package or his skillset is special. A lot (like a crazy amount) would have to go right for him to be top 10, imo

Can you name all the players that are as big and tall as he is that can move like he can with the ball in his hands? That's almost entirely the reason he got drafted so high, and it is special.

The big questions marks are his shooting and figuring out how to play winning basketball overall.

[thelead]

They both have their question marks but I'd take either on my squad.

[zero rings]

First NBA season 72 vs 0 games played.. which one you picking.

Andre Wiggins played in 82 games in his first year, compared to Joel Embiid’s 0.

Who you got?

If you use Embiid\Wiggins to compare with then you have to account for the first 2 years Embiid missed (327 vs 94 for the first 4 years).

Is Chet greater than Paolo if Chet plays only 94 games in 4 years? I don't think so.

What? The point is if Chet is a star and Paolo isn’t, then the Magic screwed up regardless of how many games he missed.

Give me the injury prone superstar over the always healthy average player any day. One guy gives me a chance to compete and the other doesn’t.

[cupcakesnake]

I'd say he's a rich man's version of Tobias, but with improved ballhandling, passing and playmaking.

But, all of this, comparing a 21-year old with a prime Tobias. So Banchero can (and will) improve on what he is right now.

I like Banchero and I would definitely pick him over Chet. The issue with Chet is durability.

Banchero's archetype (a big, versatile wing who can serve as a team's primary scorer) is very easy to identify as a success mold in the NBA's history. Many champions and contenders had a similar player like him as their best player.

The issue with Banchero is how much better he can get, and if, over time, he could be good enough to be the best player on a contender, or if he would need a better player alongside him. That I still don't know, need to see his development curve, it's too early to tell.

Paolo is 3 inches taller than Tobias Harris (6'9" vs. 6'6.5" no shoe measurement) and on another level athletically. Paolo's game is much more built on force: speed, strength, explosiveness, and a bigger body. Paolo has not figured out his offensive role in the NBA yet, but the one thing people couldn't do in year 1 was keep him out of the paint without fouling (10.6 FTA per 100).

I don't think there is a good player comp for him just because there aren't any guys at his size playing that way. Like he's bigger than Lebron or Julius Randle. Size wise he's closer to Sabonis or Ben Simmons. I don't know what Paolo is yet but I know he's got some rare gifts.

Yea… his athleticism is very sneakily close to elite. He’s not jumping out of gyms but has such a rare blend of power, agility, coordination, and length. He’s too quick for a lot of bigger post defenders to guard, and can overpower anyone his size or smaller. And he’s got a diverse arsenal of scoring moves that uses that blend of athleticism very well. If he ever hits his full potential, he’ll be a real nightmare for opposing defenses.

That said… I would take Chet over PB. Partially cuz I’m a Portland fan and the thought of drafting a promising center with injury concerns is simply too nostalgic to resist.

The other part is cuz he’s such a difference maker defensively and you just can’t coach size. His build is too uniquely suited for the modern center. If Wemby didn’t exist Chet would be hyped as the next generational talent. The few guys that do match up well with a guy like PB are the lengthy, agile types… and that’s cuz those types match up well against almost everyone lol. Which makes Chet highly valuable.

While PB has the higher offensive ceiling, the gap between him and Chet on that end doesn’t compare to the gap in Chet’s defensive potential over PB, at least in my opinion.

I like/agree with all this.

Chet gives you that KG-type passive value. It doesn't always matter whether he's scoring or playmaking because his mobility, rim protection, and shooting touch mean he's always boosting your team.

Paolo's value is more active so he needs to be doing great things with the ball in his hands. His defense is up and down, and his spacing is poor. He needs to be the type of player that forces the defense to collapse on him because the scoring threat is too much. Right now he takes a lot of tough shots so defenses are mostly living with that. It's also tough for him because Orlando's spacing is so bad.

Chet is in an ideal environment. 3000 guards who love to drive and pass. It's a potential feast every night for a versatile finisher. They also badly need his size so they'll want him on the floor as much as possible. On the Paolo side, Orlando is in a good place in terms of talent (Franz and Paolo is a very fun duo to build around) but they aren't optimized to support that talent yet. They play with so much size but so little shooting.

[meekrab]

What’s going on with Paulo right now? Why is he having such a **** season so far? Looks like he has regressed from last year no?

Someone said he's injured. But he also isn't getting almost 10 FTA per game like he did at the start of last year. Everybody's stats look a lot better with 6 extra points tacked on.

[thelead]

What’s going on with Paulo right now? Why is he having such a **** season so far? Looks like he has regressed from last year no?

Someone said he's injured. But he also isn't getting almost 10 FTA per game like he did at the start of last year. Everybody's stats look a lot better with 6 extra points tacked on.

There's supposedly a thumb injury he's fighting through on his shooting hand. His FT % has also dropped hard so who the hell knows. It's also just a 4 game sample.

[Catchall]

Paolo has potential to be a top 10 player in the league. He just needs his scoring off the dribble to come together.

Neither his physical package or his skillset is special. A lot (like a crazy amount) would have to go right for him to be top 10, imo

Can you name all the players that are as big and tall as he is that can move like he can with the ball in his hands? That's almost entirely the reason he got drafted so high, and it is special.

The big questions marks are his shooting and figuring out how to play winning basketball overall.

Paolo has legit wing skills and is as big as Towns.

[Ayt]

Neither his physical package or his skillset is special. A lot (like a crazy amount) would have to go right for him to be top 10, imo

Can you name all the players that are as big and tall as he is that can move like he can with the ball in his hands? That's almost entirely the reason he got drafted so high, and it is special.

The big questions marks are his shooting and figuring out how to play winning basketball overall.

Paolo has legit wing skills and is as big as Towns.

Yep. He moves like a giant shooting guard with the ball in his hands. He's an undeniable freak. I'm not sure how anyone could miss that even if they've only watched him play one game.

[uraverage]

Andre Wiggins played in 82 games in his first year, compared to Joel Embiid’s 0.

Who you got?

If you use Embiid\Wiggins to compare with then you have to account for the first 2 years Embiid missed (327 vs 94 for the first 4 years).

Is Chet greater than Paolo if Chet plays only 94 games in 4 years? I don't think so.

What? The point is if Chet is a star and Paolo isn’t, then the Magic screwed up regardless of how many games he missed.

Give me the injury prone superstar over the always healthy average player any day. One guy gives me a chance to compete and the other doesn’t.

That's a big if.. at this point Chet is not the best player in this years draft class and could not even complete with last years class due to injury. The Magic were not at a place they could gamble their pick and took the right player for their rebuild (someone that they could count on playing and a player that won ROY for his draft class). Is it possible that Chet has a few seasons of playing and is seen as a superstar, sure. Odds are not in his favor for every Embiid there is a Oden. For the most part injury prone big men don't work out.


The real question is why can't both be superstars? Rather have Jokic than Embiid.

[Sidthekid87]

I don't like bancherro game at all to be honest.

[FrightCoward]

Still think Paolo made a mistake playing for team USA rather than taking the summer off to work on his game individually or playing for Italy and being the man. I think Kerr screwed with his head mentally having him play out of position and in a secondary role. He’s been deferring so much so far this season.

[Exp0sed]

yes.

[sam_I_am]

Chet has played 4 games. Let’s see how good he looks in March when every team has seen him and game planned him. If he holds up as well as Paulo did last year then let’s have a conversation. Personally, based on eye test I would take Paolo every time. I’d take either one to be honest, they are both going to be studs.

[SeattleJazzFan]

yes, that is safe to say. but Chet is better than A LOT of people. he's special. dude is probably going to be a top 10 player in the league at some point.

[timO]

Chet has played 4 games. Let’s see how good he looks in March when every team has seen him and game planned him. If he holds up as well as Paulo did last year then let’s have a conversation. Personally, based on eye test I would take Paolo every time. I’d take either one to be honest, they are both going to be studs.

5 games actually:

16-7-2-3-1 74%TS

banchero 4 games:

12-5-5-0-2 44%TS

last year

20-7-4 53%TS

[sam_I_am]

Chet has played 4 games. Let’s see how good he looks in March when every team has seen him and game planned him. If he holds up as well as Paulo did last year then let’s have a conversation. Personally, based on eye test I would take Paolo every time. I’d take either one to be honest, they are both going to be studs.

5 games actually:

16-7-2-3-1 74%TS

banchero 4 games:

12-5-5-0-2 44%TS

last year

20-7-4 53%TS

Paulo put up 20/7/4 over 82 games without a first team all-NBA PG drawing majority of defensive attention. Let’s see how it plays out.

[ThunderBolt]

I'll never understand why praising one guy involves belittling the other one. They are both young. It's not farfetched to think Paolo has a great game here soon on the same night Chet struggles. Or maybe Paolo has a good game against Chet. Then someone will bump this thread and troll Chet and his fans. It's exhausting to me.

[TheChaser]

I don't like bancherro game at all to be honest.

I don’t like your username. You know, to be honest.

[BrooklynDynasty]

Give me Banchero yesterday, today, and every day after, and IMO it’s not even particularly close