2023-24 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#701 » by OhayoKD » Thu Nov 2, 2023 2:49 pm

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It's interesting how superstars and GMs keep trying to stack teams full of big-name players when it's largely shown to not work very well. Just stacking a whole bunch of marquee names makes for good First Take discourse but seldom leads to championships especially when said names have already passed their primes.

It's the lazy way out for a front office and coaching staff that stubbornly refuses to take the draft seriously, develop talent, or construct an actual team instead of a collection of players. Just put a bunch of 35-year-olds together and sell tickets to casual fans en route to a first-round exit. :noway:


Aren't all LAC fans casual?

That better describes Laker fans. Not to mention all the Lebron fans who hopped on the most obnoxious bandwagon in sports.
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Post#702 » by Colbinii » Thu Nov 2, 2023 2:52 pm

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Colbinii wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:It's the lazy way out for a front office and coaching staff that stubbornly refuses to take the draft seriously, develop talent, or construct an actual team instead of a collection of players. Just put a bunch of 35-year-olds together and sell tickets to casual fans en route to a first-round exit. :noway:


Aren't all LAC fans casual?

That better describes Laker fans. Not to mention all the Lebron fans who hopped on the most obnoxious bandwagon in sports.


I hate waking up in the morning, grabbing my phone and checking the score of the Lakers game :lol:
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Post#703 » by MrLurker » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:03 pm

Do casual sport-watchers like suffering and failure? Would they not avoid a often losing organization like the Clippers?
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Post#704 » by Clyde Frazier » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:25 pm

MrLurker wrote:Do casual sport-watchers like suffering and failure? Would they not avoid a often losing organization like the Clippers?


By all accounts clippers fans are made up of mostly transplants. They've made the playoffs 10 of the last 12 years so that younger transplant fanbase is there too. That said, I happened to go to the clippers home opener last year against the suns when I was visiting. Tickets were only $60 and the arena wasn't packed. The suns are a good draw and Kawhi played! I couldn’t believe it.
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Post#705 » by MrLurker » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:31 pm

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MrLurker wrote:Do casual sport-watchers like suffering and failure? Would they not avoid a often losing organization like the Clippers?


By all accounts clippers fans are made up of mostly transplants. They've made the playoffs 10 of the last 12 years so that younger transplant fanbase is there too. That said, I happened to go to the clippers home opener last year against the suns when I was visiting. Tickets were only $60 and the arena wasn't packed. The suns are a good draw and Kawhi played! I couldn’t believe it.

I commend the dedication of a transplant that is drawn by making the playoffs - I've grown a bit tired of simply being there
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Post#706 » by parsnips33 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 4:13 pm

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Post#708 » by parsnips33 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:13 pm

Disregarding age for a second and just looking at current on-the-court value:

Wiseman for GPII and Poole for CP3 were two massively impactful trades
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Post#709 » by Special_Puppy » Thu Nov 2, 2023 7:45 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Disregarding age for a second and just looking at current on-the-court value:

Wiseman for GPII and Poole for CP3 were two massively impactful trades


Its weird how people were so weirded out by the Poole for CP3 trade as if Poole wasn't a massively inferior player to even a 38 year old CP3
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Post#710 » by parsnips33 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 7:49 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:Disregarding age for a second and just looking at current on-the-court value:

Wiseman for GPII and Poole for CP3 were two massively impactful trades


Its weird how people were so weirded out by the Poole for CP3 trade as if Poole wasn't a massively inferior player to even a 38 year old CP3


I definitely understand the skepticism as it relates to age, and I'm way too superstitious to run any kind of victory laps after 5 games

but '23 Poole was a big fat negative. Doesn't take anything away from '22 Poole but it is what it is
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Post#711 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:23 pm

While we are short sample size theatering, the little Mavs only undefeated team in the stacked West. 8-)

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Post#712 » by Outside » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:04 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:While we are short sample size theatering, the little Mavs only undefeated team in the stacked West. 8-)

Spoiler:
Yes I know they haven't beaten any winning teams yet and no I don't think they are remotely the class of the league.


Despite the spoiler, that doesn't mean you can't have a little bounce in your step seeing the Mavs atop the West. Enjoy it :)
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#713 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:09 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:While we are short sample size theatering, the little Mavs only undefeated team in the stacked West. 8-)

Spoiler:
Yes I know they haven't beaten any winning teams yet and no I don't think they are remotely the class of the league.


Despite the spoiler, that doesn't mean you can't have a little bounce in your step seeing the Mavs atop the West. Enjoy it :)


I mean I'm on red-shoe Rangers World series high right now. And the Stars are rolling and the Cowboys look solid(until Philly mauls them Sunday....). So yeah its pretty good sports time in Dallas right now.

The good:
Luka is Luka.
Williams has been everything they hoped he be.
Lively is actually ready to contribute. He's going to have more really bad nights like 2 games ago, but it looks like he's going to get the most center minutes.
THJ is in a good streak

I still have so many concerns and man is that rotation wobbly, but last year they didn't beat bad teams. So if they will take care of business and win games like Memphis with injuries/suspension, Chicago at home, etc that will really help.
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Post#714 » by parsnips33 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:12 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Outside wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:While we are short sample size theatering, the little Mavs only undefeated team in the stacked West. 8-)

Spoiler:
Yes I know they haven't beaten any winning teams yet and no I don't think they are remotely the class of the league.


Despite the spoiler, that doesn't mean you can't have a little bounce in your step seeing the Mavs atop the West. Enjoy it :)


I mean I'm on red-shoe Rangers World series high right now. And the Stars are rolling and the Cowboys look solid(until Philly mauls them Sunday....). So yeah its pretty good sports time in Dallas right now.

The good:
Luka is Luka.
Williams has been everything they hoped he be.
Lively is actually ready to contribute. He's going to have more really bad nights like 2 games ago, but it looks like he's going to get the most center minutes.
THJ is in a good streak

I still have so many concerns and man is that rotation wobbly, but last year they didn't beat bad teams. So if they will take care of business and win games like Memphis with injuries/suspension, Chicago at home, etc that will really help.


It's easy to take it for granted - but not winning the games you "should" is one of the worst feelings in sports. Story of the Warriors last year too
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#715 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:18 pm

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It's easy to take it for granted - but not winning the games you "should" is one of the worst feelings in sports. Story of the Warriors last year too


Yep. And going back to the Rangers for a second, Bochy kept going back to their closer even in games where they had big leads. And fans were getting upset saying don't wear him out. But skip knew, we can't afford to give up any of these games. So let's not mess about.

And he's won like 16 of the last 17 series he's managed or something crazy so yeah I trust him lol.

This is what the Dirk Mavs were so good about. They ensured good seeding almost every year because they beat all the bad teams. Need the Luka Mavs to take all these games seriously and bank these wins for sure.
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Post#716 » by Outside » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:21 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Outside wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:While we are short sample size theatering, the little Mavs only undefeated team in the stacked West. 8-)

Spoiler:
Yes I know they haven't beaten any winning teams yet and no I don't think they are remotely the class of the league.


Despite the spoiler, that doesn't mean you can't have a little bounce in your step seeing the Mavs atop the West. Enjoy it :)


I mean I'm on red-shoe Rangers World series high right now. And the Stars are rolling and the Cowboys look solid(until Philly mauls them Sunday....). So yeah its pretty good sports time in Dallas right now.

The good:
Luka is Luka.
Williams has been everything they hoped he be.
Lively is actually ready to contribute. He's going to have more really bad nights like 2 games ago, but it looks like he's going to get the most center minutes.
THJ is in a good streak

I still have so many concerns and man is that rotation wobbly, but last year they didn't beat bad teams. So if they will take care of business and win games like Memphis with injuries/suspension, Chicago at home, etc that will really help.


I haven't seen them play yet. What are your thoughts on

-- Luka's conditioning
-- Luka's defense
-- Kidd's coaching

Those were factors I expected to be indicators for their success this season. There are obviously a lot of other variables -- Kyrie being a wild card on and off the floor, roster changes, whether they can rebound and play defense, etc. -- but I saw the three factors I listed as bellwethers for their success.

With a talent like Luka, I've gotta believe they'll do better than last season. The question is how much better.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#717 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Nov 2, 2023 10:29 pm

Outside wrote:
I haven't seen them play yet. What are your thoughts on

-- Luka's conditioning
-- Luka's defense
-- Kidd's coaching

Those were factors I expected to be indicators for their success this season. There are obviously a lot of other variables -- Kyrie being a wild card on and off the floor, roster changes, whether they can rebound and play defense, etc. -- but I saw the three factors I listed as bellwethers for their success.

With a talent like Luka, I've gotta believe they'll do better than last season. The question is how much better.


Luka is in better shape, but also Kidd isn't letting him play the entire 1st and 3rd quarters which I always felt was overextending him and making recovery harder. Still not where he could be though.

Luka is making more effort defensively and there are some good things: He has great hands, anticipates well, clears the defensive glass great for a guard, is big enough to hide him on favorable matchups and he's mostly trying so far. But he's still slow of foot and late getting back and not always engaged enough off-ball. Still needs significant improvement

Kidd's coaching:

My main criticism is really odd rotations choices like starting Lively and Derrick Jones together. Then going from a really big lineup to really small ones. But he's been getting great offensive results so.....

The main thing I like is Dallas is playing a lot faster. They have been the slowest team in the league with Luka, but they are definitely trying to get some early offense instead of having to beat set defenses over and over again. And it plays well with some of the athletes in the rotation.

Rebounding still appears to be an issue. As is defense. They also still need one more quality starter. Luka, Kyrie, Williams is 3 you can really like. You can get by with a THJ or a Kleber or a Green as a 5th guy. But one more guy you know is closing games every night would really help.
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Post#718 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Nov 2, 2023 11:58 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Outside wrote:
I haven't seen them play yet. What are your thoughts on

-- Luka's conditioning
-- Luka's defense
-- Kidd's coaching

Those were factors I expected to be indicators for their success this season. There are obviously a lot of other variables -- Kyrie being a wild card on and off the floor, roster changes, whether they can rebound and play defense, etc. -- but I saw the three factors I listed as bellwethers for their success.

With a talent like Luka, I've gotta believe they'll do better than last season. The question is how much better.


Luka is in better shape, but also Kidd isn't letting him play the entire 1st and 3rd quarters which I always felt was overextending him and making recovery harder. Still not where he could be though.

Luka is making more effort defensively and there are some good things: He has great hands, anticipates well, clears the defensive glass great for a guard, is big enough to hide him on favorable matchups and he's mostly trying so far. But he's still slow of foot and late getting back and not always engaged enough off-ball. Still needs significant improvement

Kidd's coaching:

My main criticism is really odd rotations choices like starting Lively and Derrick Jones together. Then going from a really big lineup to really small ones. But he's been getting great offensive results so.....

The main thing I like is Dallas is playing a lot faster. They have been the slowest team in the league with Luka, but they are definitely trying to get some early offense instead of having to beat set defenses over and over again. And it plays well with some of the athletes in the rotation.

Rebounding still appears to be an issue. As is defense. They also still need one more quality starter. Luka, Kyrie, Williams is 3 you can really like. You can get by with a THJ or a Kleber or a Green as a 5th guy. But one more guy you know is closing games every night would really help.


Off topic but thank you guys for feuding with Christian wood We would be 0-5 if it wasn’t for that man
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#719 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Nov 3, 2023 12:02 am

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Off topic but thank you guys for feuding with Christian wood We would be 0-5 if it wasn’t for that man


we loved him that first week too. He was scoring an efficient 25 off the bench every night.

I hope it works out in LA. He's clearly a talented dude and from what I could see in Dallas he doesn't seem like a bad guy. But there is a reason a team as center poor as Dallas didn't even consider bringing him back even when it was obvious there was no market. And why Houston traded for him cheap and Detroit let him walk....

I think he's fool's gold. Offensively he's always going to look really good. He can shoot. He can take guys off the dribble. He's got some post game. But by the end of the year all but the most homerist of Mavs fans were ready to have him off the team.
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Post#720 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Nov 3, 2023 12:05 am

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Off topic but thank you guys for feuding with Christian wood We would be 0-5 if it wasn’t for that man


we loved him that first week too. He was scoring an efficient 25 off the bench every night.

I hope it works out in LA. He's clearly a talented dude and from what I could see in Dallas he doesn't seem like a bad guy. But there is a reason a team as center poor as Dallas didn't even consider bringing him back even when it was obvious there was no market. And why Houston traded for him cheap and Detroit let him walk....

I think he's fool's gold. Offensively he's always going to look really good. He can shoot. He can take guys off the dribble. He's got some post game. But by the end of the year all but the most homerist of Mavs fans were ready to have him off the team.


Nah I don’t care about his offense whatsoever bro has played defense at a level I haven’t seen since the guy with a Unibrow was in disneyworld lol

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