Welcome to Boston, Neemias Queta!!!

hugepatsfan · Post #141 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:49 pm

The upside of converting him now is that you could likely tack on some future non-guaranteed minimum salary seasons the way you did with Hauser so if he does break out to any degree he's still signed. That way you lock him in. The downside is that you convert him and he sucks and you have to eat dead money to waive him later or just deal with him on a roster spot this year.

The downside of not signing him now is that if he does break out to such a HUGE degree, then maybe his agent advises him to not add any future years to an NBA deal, even if it costs him signing one this year, so that he can hit FA for more than the minimum next year. We'd have no means to sign him at that point, which would be a loss if he's broken out to the point where he can get more than the minimum from someone.

Ultimately, I think having him on a minimum deal for the rest of this year even if he stinks is probably more realistic than him breaking out into some monster player that we'll never be able to afford. But, the downside of him breaking out and us losing him is waaaaaaaaaaaay more of a loss than the downside of having a bad player for the rest of this year. So if they have any level of confidence in him, I'd probably be conservative and try to land him on a guaranteed NBA deal now with future non-guaranteed years attached.

celtxman · Post #142 » by **celtxman** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:34 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:The upside of converting him now is that you could likely tack on some future non-guaranteed minimum salary seasons the way you did with Hauser so if he does break out to any degree he's still signed. That way you lock him in. The downside is that you convert him and he sucks and you have to eat dead money to waive him later or just deal with him on a roster spot this year.

The downside of not signing him now is that if he does break out to such a HUGE degree, then maybe his agent advises him to not add any future years to an NBA deal, even if it costs him signing one this year, so that he can hit FA for more than the minimum next year. We'd have no means to sign him at that point, which would be a loss if he's broken out to the point where he can get more than the minimum from someone.

Ultimately, I think having him on a minimum deal for the rest of this year even if he stinks is probably more realistic than him breaking out into some monster player that we'll never be able to afford. But, the downside of him breaking out and us losing him is waaaaaaaaaaaay more of a loss than the downside of having a bad player for the rest of this year. So if they have any level of confidence in him, I'd probably be conservative and try to land him on a guaranteed NBA deal now with future non-guaranteed years attached.

It means they might have to make a quick, accurate decision. If he is able to displace Kornet, they may have to make a decision then. There is nothing worse than "finding" someone that you can't keep.

Hal14 · Post #143 » by **Hal14** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:49 pm

celtxman wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:The upside of converting him now is that you could likely tack on some future non-guaranteed minimum salary seasons the way you did with Hauser so if he does break out to any degree he's still signed. That way you lock him in. The downside is that you convert him and he sucks and you have to eat dead money to waive him later or just deal with him on a roster spot this year.

The downside of not signing him now is that if he does break out to such a HUGE degree, then maybe his agent advises him to not add any future years to an NBA deal, even if it costs him signing one this year, so that he can hit FA for more than the minimum next year. We'd have no means to sign him at that point, which would be a loss if he's broken out to the point where he can get more than the minimum from someone.

Ultimately, I think having him on a minimum deal for the rest of this year even if he stinks is probably more realistic than him breaking out into some monster player that we'll never be able to afford. But, the downside of him breaking out and us losing him is waaaaaaaaaaaay more of a loss than the downside of having a bad player for the rest of this year. So if they have any level of confidence in him, I'd probably be conservative and try to land him on a guaranteed NBA deal now with future non-guaranteed years attached.
It means they might have to make a quick, accurate decision. If he is able to displace Kornet, they may have to make a decision then. There is nothing worse than "finding" someone that you can't keep.

It's kind of a quick decision. But keep in mind, Brad has said that they often start scouting guys when they're still in HS. So let's say they've been scouting Queta since senior year in HS. That's 1 season, then he played 3 years of college ball. He was drafted a few picks before we took Begarin, so there's a chance we scouted him quite a bit before the draft and were perhaps interested in taking him if he fell that far. Then the past 2 seasons with the Kings where they saw film of him with the Kings but mostly in g league. There's 2 years of summer league and preseason film. So over 6 years now we've been scouting him. We obviously had him in for a workout before signing him, then there's all of training camp, and preseason. We should have a pretty good idea t this point what he brings to the table and what the potential upside is.

With that being said, I think perhaps there's a middle ground here..where maybe we start the season off with him on the 2-way, but essentially use him as a 15th man on the real roster (G league season doesn't start yet anyways)..you continue to evaluate how he looks in practice and in games - you compare that to what you're seeing from Kornet. Maybe give it a month or 2 and (before he really breaks out, but after he has earned it) perhaps then you convert him and tack on a couple more years on a guaranteed contract so there's more incentive for him to sign..

celtxman · Post #144 » by **celtxman** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm

Hal14 wrote:
celtxman wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:The upside of converting him now is that you could likely tack on some future non-guaranteed minimum salary seasons the way you did with Hauser so if he does break out to any degree he's still signed. That way you lock him in. The downside is that you convert him and he sucks and you have to eat dead money to waive him later or just deal with him on a roster spot this year.

The downside of not signing him now is that if he does break out to such a HUGE degree, then maybe his agent advises him to not add any future years to an NBA deal, even if it costs him signing one this year, so that he can hit FA for more than the minimum next year. We'd have no means to sign him at that point, which would be a loss if he's broken out to the point where he can get more than the minimum from someone.

Ultimately, I think having him on a minimum deal for the rest of this year even if he stinks is probably more realistic than him breaking out into some monster player that we'll never be able to afford. But, the downside of him breaking out and us losing him is waaaaaaaaaaaay more of a loss than the downside of having a bad player for the rest of this year. So if they have any level of confidence in him, I'd probably be conservative and try to land him on a guaranteed NBA deal now with future non-guaranteed years attached.
It means they might have to make a quick, accurate decision. If he is able to displace Kornet, they may have to make a decision then. There is nothing worse than "finding" someone that you can't keep.

It's kind of a quick decision. But keep in mind, Brad has said that they often start scouting guys when they're still in HS. So let's say they've been scouting Queta since senior year in HS. That's 1 season, then he played 3 years of college ball. He was drafted a few picks before we took Begarin, so there's a chance we scouted him quite a bit before the draft and were perhaps interested in taking him if he fell that far. Then the past 2 seasons with the Kings where they saw film of him with the Kings but mostly in g league. There's 2 years of summer league and preseason film. So over 6 years now we've been scouting him. We obviously had him in for a workout before signing him, then there's all of training camp, and preseason. We should have a pretty good idea t this point what he brings to the table and what the potential upside is.

With that being said, I think perhaps there's a middle ground here..where maybe we start the season off with him on the 2-way, but essentially use him as a 15th man on the real roster (G league season doesn't start yet anyways)..you continue to evaluate how he looks in practice and in games - you compare that to what you're seeing from Kornet. Maybe give it a month or 2 and (before he really breaks out, but after he has earned it) perhaps then you convert him and tack on a couple more years on a guaranteed contract so there's more incentive for him to sign..

Yes, that was essentially what I was trying to say. Things get really crazy. The devil is in the details. Hypothetically as a 2nd apron team could the Celtics claimed him off of waivers? They did swoop in and immediately approach and sign him after the Kings released him so they certainly scouted him. If they were able to pick him off of waivers would they have been able to let that contract become guaranteed and would that have given them Bird rights?
As long as the Celtics have the opportunity to sign him longer term, with Bird rights, I'm good. I just never want another Dennis Schroeder, Bruce Brown situation where you have no realistic ability to keep the player.

Post #145 » by **Shak_Celts** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:14 pm

Queta was back in Orange, we gotta let it go, he is bound for Maine. I really wish he could get a chance early.

lon3lytoaster · Post #146 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:19 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:Queta was back in Orange, we gotta let it go, he is bound for Maine. I really wish he could get a chance early.

He probably will, similar to Vonleh last year but hey, with two of the most talented bigs in the NBAGL, at least Maine has no excuse to not win

GoCeltics123 · Post #147 » by **GoCeltics123** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:41 pm

Himmelsbach reported yesterday that they aren't converting his deal yet.

Considering he has 50 NBA games on a two-way, they're probably going to see if he can play this well in real games or if it's a preseason mirage

chrisab123 · Post #148 » by **chrisab123** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:44 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Himmelsbach reported yesterday that they aren't converting his deal yet.

Considering he has 50 NBA games on a two-way, they're probably going to see if he can play this well in real games or if it's a preseason mirage

I hope they give him regular minutes and keep him up with the team for a while.

Hal14 · Post #149 » by **Hal14** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:16 pm

Queta about to have a breakout season?

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Fencer reregistered · Post #150 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:43 pm

If somebody bangs under the rim and wears #88, there's an obvious candidate for theme song:

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31to6 · Post #151 » by **31to6** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:28 pm

Extremely deviant

ConstableGeneva · Post #152 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Nov 1, 2023 9:59 pm

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Post #153 » by **Parliament10** » Wed Nov 1, 2023 10:02 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Damn. I'd like to see him mix in with these Rotations.

Post #154 » by **shackles10** » Wed Nov 1, 2023 10:14 pm

So we did some magic leprechaun voodoo to take the foot injury from Zinger and give it to Queta? Sucks for Neemias, but thanks for being a team player too buddy.

Patsfan1081 · Post #155 » by **Patsfan1081** » Wed Nov 1, 2023 10:20 pm

I hope he can work out because Im all Kornet’d out. If not then they have to look to the trade market. Have we seen NQ with the first unit yet?

Post #156 » by **Shak_Celts** » Thu Nov 2, 2023 8:22 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:I hope he can work out because Im all Kornet’d out. If not then they have to look to the trade market. Have we seen NQ with the first unit yet?

He played with them in either the 2nd to last or last preseason game, he was solid. was open a lot but didn't get the lobs he deserved, but you're not going to on a team like this. he set good screens, probably because of his size (good rolls). got a dunk from tatum. he really shined later in the game when he was with the bench because he was more of a focal point.

Post #157 » by **shackles10** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 12:52 am

If he carves out a role with the regular rotation it’ll be by doing the things Kornet is providing according to Joe (knowing where to be on offense and defense, setting good screens, not turning the ball over) AND doing the things we all know Kornet is not doing (really contesting shots, getting rebounds, keeping plays alive on the offensive glass, providing a roll option that can finish strong). Just as important he’s gotta give them confidence he won’t commit a foul every third trip down the court.

ConstableGeneva · Post #158 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 1:20 am

Poor man's Timelord. Following his footsteps already in terms of availability and health. Jokes aside, hope he heals soon so he can catch up. We don't have a big like him at the moment.

playa-hater · Post #159 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:00 am

shackles10 wrote:If he carves out a role with the regular rotation it’ll be by doing the things Kornet is providing according to Joe (knowing where to be on offense and defense, setting good screens, not turning the ball over) AND doing the things we all know Kornet is not doing (really contesting shots, getting rebounds, keeping plays alive on the offensive glass, providing a roll option that can finish strong). Just as important he’s gotta give them confidence he won’t commit a foul every third trip down the court.

this made me LOL. seems like many want Theis back and Theis fouled or at least got called for a foul that often.

Hal14 · Post #160 » by **Hal14** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:13 pm

playa-hater wrote:
shackles10 wrote:If he carves out a role with the regular rotation it’ll be by doing the things Kornet is providing according to Joe (knowing where to be on offense and defense, setting good screens, not turning the ball over) AND doing the things we all know Kornet is not doing (really contesting shots, getting rebounds, keeping plays alive on the offensive glass, providing a roll option that can finish strong). Just as important he’s gotta give them confidence he won’t commit a foul every third trip down the court.

this made me LOL. seems like many want Theis back and Theis fouled or at least got called for a foul that often.

Over the past few years, Theis has been around 5 fouls per 100 possessions. Queta for his career so far is averaging just over 8 fouls per 100 possessions.

Theis is also much more proven at the NBA level, he's quicker, better at setting screens, sealing off defenders so teammates can drive to the rim. Queta though is bigger, younger ..they're very different players in many ways..