Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[3ammy3uck3ts]

76ers can offer 1st in 2026(frees up our full compliment of draft picks to trade) 2029 1st and possibly up to 4 seconds in any Butler trade along with a clean slate of expiring contracts. Think Harris and a PG in return like Melton. Something we need to seriously consider in a soft rebuild reboot allowing us to be players for some of the big 2025 free agent names. Mitchell would make the most sense due to relationship with Bam.

You think Bam and Donovan Mitchell can win a championship?

If their surrounded by undrafted bums and old washed up players no but then again nobody can win like that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Man I’ll tell you what, I’ve wanted to get Schroder for the minimum for years, he’s finally a big piece to a teams offense again and he is having an amazing start to the season. If he continues at this pace it would be better than any season we’ve had from the PG position in many years, Dragic included when factoring in defense

[dolphinatik]

If you could keep 9 and have to trade/cut the rest from the Heat this year who you got?

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Jimmy
4. Caleb
5. Thomas Bryant
6. Jovic
7. JJJ
8. RJ Hampton
9. Swider

[contract]

If you could keep 9 and have to trade/cut the rest from the Heat this year who you got?

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Jimmy
4. Caleb
5. Thomas Bryant
6. Jovic
7. JJJ
8. RJ Hampton
9. Swider

Do I have to keep 9?

[AirP.]

If you could keep 9 and have to trade/cut the rest from the Heat this year who you got?

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Jimmy
4. Caleb
5. Thomas Bryant
6. Jovic
7. JJJ
8. RJ Hampton
9. Swider

Why wouldn't you keep them based on what you'd get for them if you were to trade them? I'd expect it would go somewhat in this order.

1. Bam
2. Butler
3. Herro
4. Jaquez
5. Jovic
6. Martin
7. Highsmith
8. Lowry (expiring could be worth something good)
9. Bryant

[Daffy]

76ers can offer 1st in 2026(frees up our full compliment of draft picks to trade) 2029 1st and possibly up to 4 seconds in any Butler trade along with a clean slate of expiring contracts. Think Harris and a PG in return like Melton. Something we need to seriously consider in a soft rebuild reboot allowing us to be players for some of the big 2025 free agent names. Mitchell would make the most sense due to relationship with Bam.

You think Bam and Donovan Mitchell can win a championship?

I would say it depends heavily on their supporting cast.

A good idea of it would be swapping Herro for Donovan. I still don't think Jimmy, Mitchell, and Bam are enough currently watching this season. Our supporting cast lacks talent.

Basically what I'm saying is if Herro continues this level of play he isn't even our issue anymore.

[El Alonzo scowl]

If you could keep 9 and have to trade/cut the rest from the Heat this year who you got?

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Jimmy
4. Caleb
5. Thomas Bryant
6. Jovic
7. JJJ
8. RJ Hampton
9. Swider

1) Bam
2) Jimmy
3) Spo
4) Burnie
5) Eric Reid
6) Ron Rothstein
7) Heat Dancers
8) Golden Oldies
9) Michael Baiamonte

[contract]

76ers can offer 1st in 2026(frees up our full compliment of draft picks to trade) 2029 1st and possibly up to 4 seconds in any Butler trade along with a clean slate of expiring contracts. Think Harris and a PG in return like Melton. Something we need to seriously consider in a soft rebuild reboot allowing us to be players for some of the big 2025 free agent names. Mitchell would make the most sense due to relationship with Bam.

You think Bam and Donovan Mitchell can win a championship?

I would say it depends heavily on their supporting cast.

A good idea of it would be swapping Herro for Donovan. I still don't think Jimmy, Mitchell, and Bam are enough currently watching this season. Our supporting cast lacks talent.

Basically what I'm saying is if Herro continues this level of play he isn't even our issue anymore.

There would be no Jimmy. Jimmy would have been traded in this scenario.

[contract]

If you could keep 9 and have to trade/cut the rest from the Heat this year who you got?

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Jimmy
4. Caleb
5. Thomas Bryant
6. Jovic
7. JJJ
8. RJ Hampton
9. Swider

Do I have to keep 9?

There would literally only be 2 guys on my list. Everyone else is in play for a trade or expendable.

[carnageta]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

[twix2500]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

You are literally describing a non-treadmill team. A treadmill team is a team that late lottery or 8 or 7 seed that poses no threat to make a run in the playoffs or has a draft pick that not a big impact to make a difference. They can't get worse or better just stuck in limbo

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[IceColdCubano]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

Or we may get humbled and ran off the tracks in the first round, similar to the year after the bubble, the basketball godz have gifted us way too many opportunity's that we have squandered by continuing to whif on quality role players next to Bam & Jimmy. This is the year, our FO calls the team makeup and we finally go a different direction next year.

[IceColdCubano]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

You are literally describing a non-treadmill team. A treadmill team is a team that late lottery or 8 or 7 seed that poses no threat to make a run in the playoffs or has a draft pick that not a big impact to make a difference. They can't get worse or better just stuck in limbo

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The Hawks were always regarded as a treadmill team for a long time, they usually roamed around the 4-5 seed slot and lose in the first or second round. You are called treadmill because year in and year out you find yourself making it into the playoffs and settling into the middle of the pack and do nothing but being a middling stop gap between you and the team the goes to the conference finals from your bracket. Philly is a team that is just threading water as we speak being a thin line from a contender to pretender, aka treadmiller extraordinaire.

[twix2500]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

You are literally describing a non-treadmill team. A treadmill team is a team that late lottery or 8 or 7 seed that poses no threat to make a run in the playoffs or has a draft pick that not a big impact to make a difference. They can't get worse or better just stuck in limbo

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The Hawks were always regarded as a treadmill team for a long time, they usually roamed around the 4-5 seed slot and lose in the first or second round. You are called treadmill because year in and year out you find yourself making it into the playoffs and settling into the middle of the pack and do nothing but being a middling stop gap between you and the team the goes to the conference finals from your bracket. Philly is a team that is just threading water as we speak being a thin line from a contender to pretender, aka treadmiller extraordinaire.

Naw that is not the origin of a treadmill. The term for over a century was coined a treadmill meaning they are running in place unable to excell or get worse. Not in position to make a trade to improve or draft to improve the talent and not bad enough to fall in the top of the lotto to get an impact player. It has nothing to do with not making to the finals. It means they are not either contenders or in position to build. Running in place. Its one of the worse position to be in as a franchise and the only way to get out is to blow it up.

If you are competing to get to the finals you are not considered a treadmill. Im sure the term has been misconstrued over time because fans throwing to term at a team in frustration or hate or using the term loosely.



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[Hoops3355]

The takeaway from all of this is the FO is already looking to the future as they should be.

[marson]

I can’t believe we went into the year with J Rich, Dru Smith, and Kyle Lowry as our primary PG’s. Like really wow

Dennis Schroder would've been perfect here for 13 mil a year. Were cheap AF

[Vertical Limit]

I think we'll be a threadmill regular season team once again. 40-46 wins. I'd be okay with the 6th seed - avoid the play-in games and matchup against the 3rd seed in the first round (likely will not be Milwaukee or Boston).

We're a team that can cause havoc in a playoff series.

Or we may get humbled and ran off the tracks in the first round, similar to the year after the bubble, the basketball godz have gifted us way too many opportunity's that we have squandered by continuing to whif on quality role players next to Bam & Jimmy. This is the year, our FO calls the team makeup and we finally go a different direction next year.

If we are off the tracks i rather it be evident before the deadline.. because that would mean it’s time to go on the youth movement and i would like to see what kind of draft compensation we can get for Butler who is at the end of his career and on his last legs..

[sogood]

I don't know how much pre-season some of yall are watching but our boy Thomas Bryant looking hella better than Christian Wood. I Think now I see exactly what our FO was thinking, letting that one go, I think they made the right choice to date. I'll let the season play out and see how both do in their roles, something tells me were gonna be surprised.

Christian Wood last night vs the Bucks - 23 Minutes of play (1-6fg)(4rb)(2ast)(1stl)(2to)(-6)(3pts)
Thomas Bryant last night vs the Grizzlies - 17 Minutes of play (4-6fg)(FT 5-5)(4rb)(+4)(13pts)

Miami needed a guy who can in limited minutes with the bench mob put up points, get to the line, and have some semblance of skill. Those Bamless minutes are crucial, perhaps Wood just isn't the guy to produce in limited minutes.

Bryant fits the Heat system better than Woods. He is a better screener, pick n roll/pop player. I know why many here wants Woods become they see him as more of a pure scorer and more athletic, thinking that he would average 18 pts a game as a go too player. Not understanding that is definitely not how he would be utilized here. Bryant can make plays off the ball and not have plays called for him, he is a better fit system wise. Many don't understand how important setting screens are for this team. Its like the difference between Ariza and Tucker.

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lmao.

[Flash4thewin]

You are literally describing a non-treadmill team. A treadmill team is a team that late lottery or 8 or 7 seed that poses no threat to make a run in the playoffs or has a draft pick that not a big impact to make a difference. They can't get worse or better just stuck in limbo

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The Hawks were always regarded as a treadmill team for a long time, they usually roamed around the 4-5 seed slot and lose in the first or second round. You are called treadmill because year in and year out you find yourself making it into the playoffs and settling into the middle of the pack and do nothing but being a middling stop gap between you and the team the goes to the conference finals from your bracket. Philly is a team that is just threading water as we speak being a thin line from a contender to pretender, aka treadmiller extraordinaire.

Naw that is not the origin of a treadmill. The term for over a century was coined a treadmill meaning they are running in place unable to excell or get worse. Not in position to make a trade to improve or draft to improve the talent and not bad enough to fall in the top of the lotto to get an impact player. It has nothing to do with not making to the finals. It means they are not either contenders or in position to build. Running in place. Its one of the worse position to be in as a franchise and the only way to get out is to blow it up.

If you are competing to get to the finals you are not considered a treadmill. Im sure the term has been misconstrued over time because fans throwing to term at a team in frustration or hate or using the term loosely.

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We are the modern day Buffalo Bills post Lebron. One more final appearance to hit our bingo yartzi trifecta of losing three times in a row. Some people think of the Buffalo Bills as a success story, most see them as an epic failure.

[AirP.]

Just looking at some numbers out of curiosity.

Touches per game
Herro is 17th at 76.4
Bam is 50th at 62.8
Lowry is 66th at 56.4
Butler is 78th at 54.0
Richardson is 100th at 49.5

Those numbers are a little crazy to me, but looking around, maybe some bigger named players are also being underutilized vs last year, one that stuck out was Sakiam.
Sakiam 80.4 => 66.0
Heild 58.7 => 41.8
Crazy enough...
J.Poole 65.7 => 51.5

Sakiam and Poole are playing a little less then they did last year but are touching the ball a good amount less, Heild is playing 9 minutes less a game so about the same touch rate per minute, could be a cheaper target.

Something a little alarming, Herro is 3rd highest mpg at 38.5 and something that's weird is Max Strus is 7th at 37.2.