Official Roster/Lineup Thread: Post-Soften Trade

[TheBallsDeeper]

Sixers **** the bed on Jrue Holiday.

They traded Harden for a couple of late first round picks and a bucket of trash to stay on the treadmill. I think they could have got Jrue for the Harden package and another first.
With Jrue they would be a contender - perfect player next to Maxey and Embiid. Instead it's another wasted season and trade Embiid next year and start the process again.

Why would the Blazers want Harden??

Also, from where would the 3 picks and the swap to do that deal come?

No - if they had of taken the Clippers package a couple of weeks ago and traded it for Jrue.

[Murray_17]

No - if they had of taken the Clippers package a couple of weeks ago and traded it for Jrue.

Why would the Clippers done that deal if they could throw that package for Lillard and then tried to get Jrue themselves?

[TheBallsDeeper]

No - if they had of taken the Clippers package a couple of weeks ago and traded it for Jrue.

Why would the Clippers done that deal if they could throw that package for Lillard and then tried to get Jrue themselves?

Huh? Are you actually reading any of this??

That package wouldn't get Lillard and Jrue.

Some of you posters need to slow down and stop trying too hard to knock out any non pro current roster posts, and maybe have a rational conversation.

[hookshot199]

Sixers **** the bed on Jrue Holiday.

They traded Harden for a couple of late first round picks and a bucket of trash to stay on the treadmill. I think they could have got Jrue for the Harden package and another first.
With Jrue they would be a contender - perfect player next to Maxey and Embiid. Instead it's another wasted season and trade Embiid next year and start the process again.

Why would the Blazers want Harden??

Also, from where would the 3 picks and the swap to do that deal come?

No - if they had of taken the Clippers package a couple of weeks ago and traded it for Jrue.

Maybe the Clippers didn't offer that package a couple of weeks ago. Do you have a link? or a source?

[76ciology]

And why would we waste those picks for Jrue?

Jrue doesnt fill any of our needs.

Back-up shot creator? No.
Size at the wings? No.
Size at the 4? No.

If you want a defensive G, there’s Pat Bev, Melton and Springer.

Would you prefer Jrue over Lavine or OG or Siakam or even Markannen?

[Wilfried]

Can we stop about Siakam, after tonight?

It showed what I always thought about him. Very good role player but very predictable and can be taken out a game offensively.
At the price he will come, leave it. Take Tobias at half the price.

Focus on real difference makers or keep that incredibly sexy Clippers pick for later

[Kolkmania]

And why would we waste those picks for Jrue?

Jrue doesnt fill any of our needs.

Back-up shot creator? No.
Size at the wings? No.
Size at the 4? No.

If you want a defensive G, there’s Pat Bev, Melton and Springer.

Would you prefer Jrue over Lavine or OG or Siakam or even Markannen?

I do think he's a far better fit than Siakam or LaVine. Both of those players are not complementary to Embiid and Maxey in the final unit, with Siakam filling a Tobias Harris role with a slower trigger from three, but theoretically a little bit better on defense. The combination of Maxey and LaVine would be desastrous defensively and put a limit on our ceiling imo.

I doubt that Utah/Ainge would deal Markannen. They had the chance last year to tank, but they're choosing to remain competitive and slowly transition into a more capable roster. Dealing your best player who's 26 year old doesn't sound likely to me.

So quite honestly, I am really curious what Morey's plan is. I don't think that there a plethora of options available. However, the positive thing is that you can go a lot of different routes to support Maxey and Embiid. The most likely scenario is that we wait and see whether a disgruntled star wing wants to join us either via FA or trade.

[76ciology]

And why would we waste those picks for Jrue?

Jrue doesnt fill any of our needs.

Back-up shot creator? No.
Size at the wings? No.
Size at the 4? No.

If you want a defensive G, there’s Pat Bev, Melton and Springer.

Would you prefer Jrue over Lavine or OG or Siakam or even Markannen?

I do think he's a far better fit than Siakam or LaVine. Both of those players are not complementary to Embiid and Maxey in the final unit, with Siakam filling a Tobias Harris role with a slower trigger from three, but theoretically a little bit better on defense. The combination of Maxey and LaVine would be desastrous defensively and put a limit on our ceiling imo.

I doubt that Utah/Ainge would deal Markannen. They had the chance last year to tank, but they're choosing to remain competitive and slowly transition into a more capable roster. Dealing your best player who's 26 year old doesn't sound likely to me.

So quite honestly, I am really curious what Morey's plan is. I don't think that there a plethora of options available. However, the positive thing is that you can go a lot of different routes to support Maxey and Embiid. The most likely scenario is that we wait and see whether a disgruntled star wing wants to join us either via FA or trade.

Its because we’ve been playing against bad teams. So it looks like we can just play it safe and add an obvious fit.

But once we start facing the good teams, we will need scorers and size at the 3&4 positions on defense for rebounding and rim protection help.

[76ciology]

Can we stop about Siakam, after tonight?

It showed what I always thought about him. Very good role player but very predictable and can be taken out a game offensively.
At the price he will come, leave it. Take Tobias at half the price.

Focus on real difference makers or keep that incredibly sexy Clippers pick for later

Either that or not.

Maybe its time to buy low. You either buy to that one game sample size that he’s bad or buy to that multiple seasons sample size that he’s good.

[Wilfried]

Can we stop about Siakam, after tonight?

It showed what I always thought about him. Very good role player but very predictable and can be taken out a game offensively.
At the price he will come, leave it. Take Tobias at half the price.

Focus on real difference makers or keep that incredibly sexy Clippers pick for later

Either that or not.

Maybe its time to buy low. You either buy to that one game sample size that he’s bad or buy to that multiple seasons sample size that he’s good.

Look at his 3% numbers in the play-offs. He's a very good role player, but not a player that will not be exposed in the play-offs (like LaVine too fwiw). And I would really try to avoid that. Or if you see him as a Aaron Gordon type of role player. But I really would not throw much assets to get him. And I wouldn't pay him more than 30 million per year either if you want to retain him

[Kolkmania]

And why would we waste those picks for Jrue?

Jrue doesnt fill any of our needs.

Back-up shot creator? No.
Size at the wings? No.
Size at the 4? No.

If you want a defensive G, there’s Pat Bev, Melton and Springer.

Would you prefer Jrue over Lavine or OG or Siakam or even Markannen?

I do think he's a far better fit than Siakam or LaVine. Both of those players are not complementary to Embiid and Maxey in the final unit, with Siakam filling a Tobias Harris role with a slower trigger from three, but theoretically a little bit better on defense. The combination of Maxey and LaVine would be desastrous defensively and put a limit on our ceiling imo.

I doubt that Utah/Ainge would deal Markannen. They had the chance last year to tank, but they're choosing to remain competitive and slowly transition into a more capable roster. Dealing your best player who's 26 year old doesn't sound likely to me.

So quite honestly, I am really curious what Morey's plan is. I don't think that there a plethora of options available. However, the positive thing is that you can go a lot of different routes to support Maxey and Embiid. The most likely scenario is that we wait and see whether a disgruntled star wing wants to join us either via FA or trade.

Its because we’ve been playing against bad teams. So it looks like we can just play it safe and add an obvious fit.

But once we start facing the good teams, we will need scorers and size at the 3&4 positions on defense for rebounding and rim protection help.

Sure, ideally we add Kevin Durant or someone who ticks all of these boxes, but that's not realistic considering the amount of assets we have.
Do you think that Pascal Siakam is a significantly better scorer than Tobias Harris?

I see Siakam thriving in a role in which he gets freedom to ISO from the perimeter and spin towards the basket. Certainly useful for a limited amount of possessions in the PO, but not really constructive to an offense when your two main offensive threats are Embiid and Maxey.

[mjkvol]

Would you prefer Jrue over Lavine or OG or Siakam or even Markannen?

Absolutely, no, yes, and no but dealing with Ainge is worse than Masai.

[youngcrev]

I don't think I had heard Lauri's name come until Neubeck mentioned him the other day on the PHLY podcast, and now I've seen it about 100 times in the past week. Why would Utah trade him? Particularly for a pick package when they already have so many incoming draft picks? He'd be a great get, but feels completely unrealistic at this point in time in terms of both availability and what we'd have to offer if he were available.

[Kobblehead]

I get that we brought Jrue into this world so there's a lot of love for him. And that he's an awesome guy off the court.

But his playoff numbers are brutal. Even with Milwaukee. I think the idea of Jrue is better than the reality.

In 70 career playoff games, he's shooting 41.8% from the field. And he's 33 now. The odds of him being fresh and not dealing with an ailment by the time the playoffs roll around are slim to none.

[tareek_ed]

Two thoughts:

1. I'm loving Oubre in the starting lineup, it can really help us get to a fast start. Between Embiid, Maxey, and Oubre we will score. I know it's good to have the scoring off the bench but let's pressure the bench to play better. We don't have to have lineups that don't include Maxey, Oubre, Harris, or Embiid.

2. What I really came here to say: Am I the only one that desperately wants to see Reed and Embiid play together? I don't remember ever seeing them play together, according to Google they have at some point but not yet with Nurses system. I think Reed and Embiid together would be great. We would have to see mo' Bamba but maybe not if we can get away with one of Roco/Morris/Batum filling in for center for brief sprints without Reed or Embiid.

Bonus thought:
Adding someone like Brogdon to our starting lineup and pushing Oubre to the 6th starter would solidify us as contenders this year.

Maxey
Brogdon
Harris
Reed/Oubre
Embiid

Final thought:
I'd rather see more House replacing Springers minutes when the games count. Only because I believe House is capable and Springer could use another year of development to be trusted in meaningful minutes IMO.

Oh, and mo' Korkmaz

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Well, I think Malcolm Brogdan should be the guy we go after this year IF we are going to make another in season trade. I don't think we will, but he'd be my first pick.

[eyeatoma]

Pringles for knees. We will get burned by the most injury prone player. There is a reason the 1st trade was canceled for him.

[FlyingArrow]

The depth chart, showing some of the players' positional versatility.

C: Embiid - Bamba
FC: Reed
PF: Morris
F: Tobias - Batum - Covington
SF:
GF: Oubre - Martin - House - Korkmaz
SG: Springer
G: Maxey - Melton
PG: Beverley

Covington and Morris can play "small ball center". But that's really just playing without a center.

[ProcessDoctor]

Pringles for knees. We will get burned by the most injury prone player. There is a reason the 1st trade was canceled for him.

There's a reason Boston traded him and Rob Williams. And one of them is already having knee surgery.

It's sad the league doesn't realize yet that if Boston is trading someone, it's because they're damaged goods.

[Snotbubbles]

Sixers **** the bed on Jrue Holiday.

They traded Harden for a couple of late first round picks and a bucket of trash to stay on the treadmill. I think they could have got Jrue for the Harden package and another first.
With Jrue they would be a contender - perfect player next to Maxey and Embiid. Instead it's another wasted season and trade Embiid next year and start the process again.

Why would the Blazers want Harden??

Also, from where would the 3 picks and the swap to do that deal come?

No - if they had of taken the Clippers package a couple of weeks ago and traded it for Jrue.

Even if the Sixers had the Harden assets, Portland probably still takes the Boston deal since Williams and Brogdon would be better assets than anything the Sixers could have sent their way.