Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[MiamiSPX]

Scottie keeps up the shooting he IS the stretch 5

The only issue with Yak is his limited range, unfortunately (And the FTs). A guy JV probably would workout ev en if he was quite a bit less defensively versatile.

Funny enough, in all the Siakam trade scenarios with NO that I play around with, JV would be coming back, to make salaries work and he's an expiring. (Also, I'm not stupid enough to think we are getting Zion or Ingram). I am also 90% positive he would re-sign on a reasonable deal. He loves it in Toronto.

[Yeezus_]

You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

Masai’s lack of prioritization of the guard spot is going to be his downfall.

Almost every rebuilding team in the league has a promising lead guard with high upside while we have a 30 year old Dennis and Malachi Flynn, and I mean no offence to Dennis because he’s been amazing for us for a MLE pick up but man..

Siakam and OG both had the benefit of playing with Lowry who helped facilitate and cultivate their growth as players by putting them in amazing spots to succeed. Meanwhile Scottie is put in an environment where the roster around him is probably the exact opposite of the ideal scenario for a player of his skill set.

We can probably get a really good guard prospect in a trade if Siakam is involved. The question is if he'll get traded to provide a more balanced roster for Scottie down the road.

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[Tha Cynic]

The volume guys off the bench (Dick, Trent) are firing up blanks. Our spacers aren't making anyone pay. I'm gonna assume Gradey won't be a total bust this year and that Trent will return to his norms.

The Raptors are also dead last in pace, which seems opposite of what they were doing in the pre-season. A lot of these possessions are sweaty half-court opportunities.

Sweaty halfcourt possessions for the worst halfcourt offense in the league by a decent amount lol

Maybe all this will help them by the midway point in the season.

My take is they want to obviously be quicker with the ball and move a ton. But, the players are struggling to adapt quickly, so we're at a snail pace and being forced to play more slow pace half court because of it. Eventually players will understand when and how to cut and move the ball with paint touches. You will never fully go away from slow pace offense though as games always revert to that in close games towards the end. They're unintentionally practicing both. It's still way too early and schedule hasn't been great.

[DG88]

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[alpngso]

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Even the writers giving up on Raps being good or the record this season. All about Scottie’s growth

[Scase]

The trick or important part now is that his work and stats translate to wins. We don't want him to become Scottie Westbrook.

This team ain't losing cause of Scottie that's for damn sure. Him and OG were the only ones that shot well, we need to get people surrounding him that can hit open shots. I think Dick will get there as soon as he acclimates to the NBA, but the rest of the team (aside from Schroder shooting an unsustainable number) is pretty much deadweight in that regard.

Scottie should be averaging like 3 or more assists if people were hitting even 40% of their open shots.

[brownbobcat]

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Raptors are 1 of only 3 teams that have played 6 games so far, granted - but it's a good start for Barnes nonetheless.

[Zeno]

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Scottie has been very impressive but this is silly because it is comparing players that have played different numbers of total games. Scottie has played 6 games.

[Scase]

Another very strong game, 3pt shooting and mystifying hesitation in the 4th notwithstanding. 7/9 inside the arc, great rebounding on the defensive end, excellent passing, just an all-around strong performance.

I dont know what to say anymore, 6 games in he putting up 21/10/6/0.8/2 on 61% TS%. I keep expecting things to come back down, but even with shooting 28% from 3 tonight, he's avberaging 40% on the season.

Can this be real lol?

Like, objectively we know that some of this is going to settle. But the more we go on, the more it looks like he's going to keep generating shots inside 10 feet and he's shooting a reasonable percentage there, so a lot of that raw FG% may not settle too much more. He absolutely needs to learn how to draw fouls, but even if he starts shooting 35% on those long 2s, that'd only drop his TS% by 2% at this point. It's only 2 or 3 2FG made so far due to the volume. That plus him dropping down to 35% from 3 (oh noez!) would see him down to around 58.5%... which would still be very nice for this season. Over the first 6 games, league average is 56.4%, by about 1.7% from last season, so 58.6% TS would actually be pretty good, especially at volume.

And that doesn't even touch on how he's doing very well with the whole "hitting the defensive boards to key the break" deal.

Yeah this is just crazy, I never expected this kind of leap. Unless he absolutely regresses to last year type numbers, this is a fantastic sign for his future. I cant even take victory laps, I was always super high on him, but I don't think anyone expected this much lol.

[djsunyc]

[Vampirate]

I actually not only think Barnes is our best player, but he's probably our best half court player. The guy might be a real half court scorer in the future. And if that's the case there's no way to double him because he's more than happy to pass to whomever who's open.

[Scase]

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

[Mikistan]

I dont know what to say anymore, 6 games in he putting up 21/10/6/0.8/2 on 61% TS%. I keep expecting things to come back down, but even with shooting 28% from 3 tonight, he's avberaging 40% on the season.

Can this be real lol?

Like, objectively we know that some of this is going to settle. But the more we go on, the more it looks like he's going to keep generating shots inside 10 feet and he's shooting a reasonable percentage there, so a lot of that raw FG% may not settle too much more. He absolutely needs to learn how to draw fouls, but even if he starts shooting 35% on those long 2s, that'd only drop his TS% by 2% at this point. It's only 2 or 3 2FG made so far due to the volume. That plus him dropping down to 35% from 3 (oh noez!) would see him down to around 58.5%... which would still be very nice for this season. Over the first 6 games, league average is 56.4%, by about 1.7% from last season, so 58.6% TS would actually be pretty good, especially at volume.

And that doesn't even touch on how he's doing very well with the whole "hitting the defensive boards to key the break" deal.

Yeah this is just crazy, I never expected this kind of leap. Unless he absolutely regresses to last year type numbers, this is a fantastic sign for his future. I cant even take victory laps, I was always super high on him, but I don't think anyone expected this much lol.

Why wouldn't you expect this leap? Whether this year or later this blueprint for him as a player was there from the first couple games in his rookie season. It was going to happen no matter what, saying you don't think anyone expected this much is real lol

[canada_dry]

Scottie keeps up the shooting he IS the stretch 5

He cant play off himself. On paper it sounds good in spurts though. Maybe as a finishing lineup

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[canada_dry]

Listening to the Sampson post game show and Nekias Duncan chimes in the chat with Scottie at C Q. Sampson brings up that we should be doing the dribble hand-offs sets (hub stuff). That Scottie fits better at C than Siakam or Boucher. Blah blah. Bunch of stuff we're still not doing.

It's possible Darko is doing a slow roll-out on all this stuff and giving other guys a chance in this, but if a bunch of guys on a couch can clearly see how this team should be structured it shouldn't take this long for the coach to start steering in the right direction.

I'd really like to add that wrinkle. The fact that he's doing so well despite basically none of that going on though is really encouraging

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[Mikistan]

Scottie keeps up the shooting he IS the stretch 5

He cant play off himself. On paper it sounds good in spurts though. Maybe as a finishing lineup

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I'd rather him pass to himself than the bench

[Scase]

Like, objectively we know that some of this is going to settle. But the more we go on, the more it looks like he's going to keep generating shots inside 10 feet and he's shooting a reasonable percentage there, so a lot of that raw FG% may not settle too much more. He absolutely needs to learn how to draw fouls, but even if he starts shooting 35% on those long 2s, that'd only drop his TS% by 2% at this point. It's only 2 or 3 2FG made so far due to the volume. That plus him dropping down to 35% from 3 (oh noez!) would see him down to around 58.5%... which would still be very nice for this season. Over the first 6 games, league average is 56.4%, by about 1.7% from last season, so 58.6% TS would actually be pretty good, especially at volume.

And that doesn't even touch on how he's doing very well with the whole "hitting the defensive boards to key the break" deal.

Yeah this is just crazy, I never expected this kind of leap. Unless he absolutely regresses to last year type numbers, this is a fantastic sign for his future. I cant even take victory laps, I was always super high on him, but I don't think anyone expected this much lol.

Why wouldn't you expect this leap? Whether this year or later this blueprint for him as a player was there from the first couple games in his rookie season. It was going to happen no matter what, saying you don't think anyone expected this much is real lol

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

[Raps in 4]

You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

SGA in 2027.

[Raps in 4]

Yeah this is just crazy, I never expected this kind of leap. Unless he absolutely regresses to last year type numbers, this is a fantastic sign for his future. I cant even take victory laps, I was always super high on him, but I don't think anyone expected this much lol.

Why wouldn't you expect this leap? Whether this year or later this blueprint for him as a player was there from the first couple games in his rookie season. It was going to happen no matter what, saying you don't think anyone expected this much is real lol

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.