Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[HumbleRen]

Why wouldn't you expect this leap? Whether this year or later this blueprint for him as a player was there from the first couple games in his rookie season. It was going to happen no matter what, saying you don't think anyone expected this much is real lol

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

It’s different imo. 55 TS% came as a 5th scoring option and an afterthought in defences scouting reports.

Him getting 60% TS as a first option is an unbelievable jump if he manages to maintain this TS.

[Raps in 4]

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

It’s different imo. 55 TS% came as a 5th scoring option and an afterthought in defences scouting reports.

Him getting 60% TS as a first option is an unbelievable jump if he manages to maintain this TS.

He was misused in his second season and playing with significantly less confidence. He clearly regressed. I always expected a leap into the high 50s (at least) for him this season. He was always an elite inside scorer and his shot has shown promise ever since his rookie season. Couple that with his work ethic, and this outcome really isn't surprising. The 3P% will certainly come down a bit (and so will the TS% then if he doesn't pick up his FTr), but he should still have a very efficient season.

[Scase]

Why wouldn't you expect this leap? Whether this year or later this blueprint for him as a player was there from the first couple games in his rookie season. It was going to happen no matter what, saying you don't think anyone expected this much is real lol

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

[MiamiSPX]

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

[Scase]

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Hahaha, I never said it was a brilliant idea, but I'm down for a little chaos!

[hype_2004]

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

[Psubs]

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

Had to trade FVV and Pascal last trade deadline and tank hard, then would've had as much chance at Wemby as SA did. League should've given Wemby to Charlotte.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

Had to trade FVV and Pascal last trade deadline and tank hard, then would've had as much chance at Wemby as SA did. League should've given Wemby to Charlotte.

wemby was out of reach for her...decision to tank depends on how you feel about the thompson brothers; we still came out with a good top level role player.

[sbsat]

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

Had to trade FVV and Pascal last trade deadline and tank hard, then would've had as much chance at Wemby as SA did. League should've given Wemby to Charlotte.

Charlotte wouldve found a way to ruin wemby. That place is a wasteland

[links135]

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

It’s different imo. 55 TS% came as a 5th scoring option and an afterthought in defences scouting reports.

Him getting 60% TS as a first option is an unbelievable jump if he manages to maintain this TS.

He was misused in his second season and playing with significantly less confidence. He clearly regressed. I always expected a leap into the high 50s (at least) for him this season. He was always an elite inside scorer and his shot has shown promise ever since his rookie season. Couple that with his work ethic, and this outcome really isn't surprising. The 3P% will certainly come down a bit (and so will the TS% then if he doesn't pick up his FTr), but he should still have a very efficient season.

Eh, wasn't misused, just wasn't a surprise anymore and was heavily scouted. Thing is he isn't even that elite at the rim, pretty good, but 66% is alright.

Its his paint and midrange shooting that's taken him to another level, obviously his shooting is better, but you couple that with what looks like a little more height and wayyy stronger, like 15 pounds stronger than his rookie year, he's a good 3 level scorer right now.

Well his above the break 3 will probably come down, it's at 44% and it's his corner 3s that suck, but he's basically Doncic for scoring except Doncic takes 7 more 3s per game. I mean it to, they shoot about the same amount of shots otherwise same % to, like literally at the rim, paint and midrange.

Keep in mind we also have the slowest pace in the league, so at a normal pace he'd probably be averaging 25 right now.

[Basketball_Jones]

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

Had to trade FVV and Pascal last trade deadline and tank hard, then would've had as much chance at Wemby as SA did. League should've given Wemby to Charlotte.

Yeah would have had to offload Fred and Siakam in trades. Incredibly neither has happened, Fred left on his own and Siakam still hasn’t been extended or traded. Really weird front office we have

[Raps in 4]

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

That's a massive jump for a player in his prime, but huge leaps aren't uncommon for second/third year players.

[links135]

Imagine the rage on this board if we drafted Suggs

[NinjaBro]

Imagine the rage on this board if we drafted Suggs

tWo would've went into hiding

"Aaron Gordon is a better player than Pascal Siakam. Look at those 538 advanced stats!" - DelAbbot

[Reeko]

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

PF? They're running him out there as the SG.

[Scase]

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

That's a massive jump for a player in his prime, but huge leaps aren't uncommon for second/third year players.

Scottie shot 52.4% TS% last year, and is now 61% flat. Find me another second or third year player making that level of efficiency jump. Not Tatum, not Luka, not Lebron, not even the king of efficiency himself Jokic did, he jumped 6%.

You don't seem to grasp how massive an 8.5% TS% increase is man.

[TheAlchemist23]

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Call me crazy, but if the twolves don't do anything significant, I'd like for us to try for KAT. We could cover for his defensive issues, and it would open up the floor a ton.

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Myles Turner would've been the ideal fit

[Airmiess]

I expected him to get better, I didn't expect him to go from 52% TS% to 60% TS%. Thats the difference between bottom of the league, and superstar efficiency. Anyone who expected that to happen is lying or has a warped sense of reality lol

Scottie shooting 40% from 3 after 2 years of 30 and 28% is not a realistic expectation of year to year growth

I'm not shocked with his stats, I'm shocked by the sheer efficiency in which he's doing it.

He was at 55% in his rookie season, so it's not really a leap from 52 to 60, since we know he was already capable of higher efficiency.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

I really hate to do this… but its November man.

He will need a bunch of freethrows to compensate once his efficiency comes back down to earth.

[tsherkin]

I read and enjoy all of your posts. There is still time to delete this one, then I will delete my reply, and we'll just pretend you never said this.

Just imagine Scotty with Wemby it's over for the entire league for the next 10-15 years!

Had to trade FVV and Pascal last trade deadline and tank hard, then would've had as much chance at Wemby as SA did. League should've given Wemby to Charlotte.

Eew, no. F*** Charlotte. Wemby has a better chance to evolve into his best form (no Pokemon jokes!) with the Spurs. They have like 35 years of big man development pedigree under their belt, some great mentors, etc. Charlotte is a flaming trash-heap wasteland.

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

That's a massive jump for a player in his prime, but huge leaps aren't uncommon for second/third year players.

Scottie shot 52.4% TS% last year, and is now 61% flat. Find me another second or third year player making that level of efficiency jump. Not Tatum, not Luka, not Lebron, not even the king of efficiency himself Jokic did, he jumped 6%.

You don't seem to grasp how massive an 8.5% TS% increase is man.

Let's get to at least 20 games before we start caring about individual, specific numbers, man... Scottie looks better and that will likely carry the whole season but he is going to drop off to some.degree at some point. We are probably looking at more like 57 or 58% by season's end if he continues to shoot the 3 well all year. That's still a sizeable (and welcome) improvement, but wait until we start seeing more second and third games against teams. A little more re-scouting time. His first extended shooting slump. See what happens with that draw rate. Maybe it maintains, maybe it normalizes... maybe it bumps and he looks better there by midseason.

It's just so early.

Some context: Steph is up over 75% TS at the moment. HE is going to settle. So will Scottie, it's more a matter of exactly how and what he looks like when that happens.

[everdiso]

I think you are grossly underselling how massive a 5% jump in TS% actually is. Even if we took that 55% and put him at that last year, that's 4% under league average for a PF. This year he's 4% ABOVE league average at the PF spot.

It's not just raw number, but it in relation to the rest of the league, this works out to practically an 8-ish% increase in TS%. That's otherworldly.

That's a massive jump for a player in his prime, but huge leaps aren't uncommon for second/third year players.

Scottie shot 52.4% TS% last year, and is now 61% flat. Find me another second or third year player making that level of efficiency jump. Not Tatum, not Luka, not Lebron, not even the king of efficiency himself Jokic did, he jumped 6%.

You don't seem to grasp how massive an 8.5% TS% increase is man.

Can't ignore that scottie was over 55% in year 1 tho. And a 5% jump from year 1 to year 3 is not at all uncommon.