Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[Kobewade11]

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I get its exciting for fans to sit back and fantasize about spending someone else’s money, but no thanks.

[AirP.]

172 million, that's the expected tax line next year that Miami is 99.9% sure to go under next year. They don't want to pay the tax and they definitely don't want to be in the repeater tax territory.

Looking at Miami's current situation for next year...

Butler 48.8
Bam 34.8
Herro 29
Robinson 19.4
That's 132 mil leaving 40 for a minimum 10 more players to get to the minimum 14-man roster.

Players who have contracts without options...
Jaquez Jr 3.7
Jovic 2.6
6 players at 138.3 leaving 33.7 mil for 8 more players.

Guys with options...
Martin 7.1 (probably opts out for more)
Love 4 (prob opts in)
Richardson 3 (prob opt out, can get the same near minimum price elsewhere)
Bryant 2.8 (prob opt out, can get the same minimum elsewhere)

But if those 4 opted in now Miami would be at 155.2 with 10 players under contract leaving 16.8 for 4 more players.
Drafting a player will eat up ~2 mil, so you're now at 157.2 with 11 players leaving 14.8 for 3 more players and with the MLE around 13 next year, Miami couldn't use all of it's MLE and stay under the cap even with adding rookie minimum players.

The point being is that if Lowry is moved and you bring back any salary that goes past this season it means some interesting decisions will have to be made with some of the players to stay under the tax for next season, it's why I can't see Miami sending Lowry out and bringing back much if any salary back that goes into next year if not longer. Even if you were to trade Lowry and Martin, bringing anything back over his 7.1 that I noted above means having to move players to clear up space to get under the tax.

[twix2500]

172 million, that's the expected tax line next year that Miami is 99.9% sure to go under next year. They don't want to pay the tax and they definitely don't want to be in the repeater tax territory.

Looking at Miami's current situation for next year...

Butler 48.8
Bam 34.8
Herro 29
Robinson 19.4
That's 132 mil leaving 40 for a minimum 10 more players to get to the minimum 14-man roster.

Players who have contracts without options...
Jaquez Jr 3.7
Jovic 2.6
6 players at 138.3 leaving 33.7 mil for 8 more players.

Guys with options...
Martin 7.1 (probably opts out for more)
Love 4 (prob opts in)
Richardson 3 (prob opt out, can get the same near minimum price elsewhere)
Bryant 2.8 (prob opt out, can get the same minimum elsewhere)

But if those 4 opted in now Miami would be at 155.2 with 10 players under contract leaving 16.8 for 4 more players.
Drafting a player will eat up ~2 mil, so you're now at 157.2 with 11 players leaving 14.8 for 3 more players and with the MLE around 13 next year, Miami couldn't use all of it's MLE and stay under the cap even with adding rookie minimum players.

The point being is that if Lowry is moved and you bring back any salary that goes past this season it means some interesting decisions will have to be made with some of the players to stay under the tax for next season, it's why I can't see Miami sending Lowry out and bringing back much if any salary back that goes into next year if not longer. Even if you were to trade Lowry and Martin, bringing anything back over his 7.1 that I noted above means having to move players to clear up space to get under the tax.

Didn't the Heat stay below the tax last year, so they will not be penalized for repeater tax this season

[AirP.]

172 million, that's the expected tax line next year that Miami is 99.9% sure to go under next year. They don't want to pay the tax and they definitely don't want to be in the repeater tax territory.

Looking at Miami's current situation for next year...

Butler 48.8
Bam 34.8
Herro 29
Robinson 19.4
That's 132 mil leaving 40 for a minimum 10 more players to get to the minimum 14-man roster.

Players who have contracts without options...
Jaquez Jr 3.7
Jovic 2.6
6 players at 138.3 leaving 33.7 mil for 8 more players.

Guys with options...
Martin 7.1 (probably opts out for more)
Love 4 (prob opts in)
Richardson 3 (prob opt out, can get the same near minimum price elsewhere)
Bryant 2.8 (prob opt out, can get the same minimum elsewhere)

But if those 4 opted in now Miami would be at 155.2 with 10 players under contract leaving 16.8 for 4 more players.
Drafting a player will eat up ~2 mil, so you're now at 157.2 with 11 players leaving 14.8 for 3 more players and with the MLE around 13 next year, Miami couldn't use all of it's MLE and stay under the cap even with adding rookie minimum players.

The point being is that if Lowry is moved and you bring back any salary that goes past this season it means some interesting decisions will have to be made with some of the players to stay under the tax for next season, it's why I can't see Miami sending Lowry out and bringing back much if any salary back that goes into next year if not longer. Even if you were to trade Lowry and Martin, bringing anything back over his 7.1 that I noted above means having to move players to clear up space to get under the tax.

Didn't the Heat stay below the tax last year, so they will not be penalized for repeater tax this season

Right, this is about next season.

[Pokuokic]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

[twix2500]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

A move I think to keep an eye on is Coby White and DeRozan.

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[mg]

It's obviously still very early but Vincent and Strus are both struggling with their new teams. Vincent has also been injured. Yet again it's looking like a potential situation where roleplayers benefit from the Heat system but struggle mightily once they move on to another organization.

[Wiltside]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

A move I think to keep an eye on is Coby White and DeRozan.

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Bulls look like a team in need of cap relief and a vet PG to set them up.

Maybe we can parlay it into Caruso and Pat Williams somehow.

[eddieheatfan]

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I get its exciting for fans to sit back and fantasize about spending someone else’s money, but no thanks.

yeah i pass on this guy too. for all his faults i still prefer mickey arison

[MorbidHEAT]

It's obviously still very early but Vincent and Strus are both struggling with their new teams. Vincent has also been injured. Yet again it's looking like a potential situation where roleplayers benefit from the Heat system but struggle mightily once they move on to another organization.

It was expected and it was said by some of us. Role players leave the Heat after having some success and then they fall off the planet. Still early, but expect it to continue.

[MorbidHEAT]

172 million, that's the expected tax line next year that Miami is 99.9% sure to go under next year. They don't want to pay the tax and they definitely don't want to be in the repeater tax territory.

Looking at Miami's current situation for next year...

Butler 48.8
Bam 34.8
Herro 29
Robinson 19.4
That's 132 mil leaving 40 for a minimum 10 more players to get to the minimum 14-man roster.

Players who have contracts without options...
Jaquez Jr 3.7
Jovic 2.6
6 players at 138.3 leaving 33.7 mil for 8 more players.

Guys with options...
Martin 7.1 (probably opts out for more)
Love 4 (prob opts in)
Richardson 3 (prob opt out, can get the same near minimum price elsewhere)
Bryant 2.8 (prob opt out, can get the same minimum elsewhere)

But if those 4 opted in now Miami would be at 155.2 with 10 players under contract leaving 16.8 for 4 more players.
Drafting a player will eat up ~2 mil, so you're now at 157.2 with 11 players leaving 14.8 for 3 more players and with the MLE around 13 next year, Miami couldn't use all of it's MLE and stay under the cap even with adding rookie minimum players.

The point being is that if Lowry is moved and you bring back any salary that goes past this season it means some interesting decisions will have to be made with some of the players to stay under the tax for next season, it's why I can't see Miami sending Lowry out and bringing back much if any salary back that goes into next year if not longer. Even if you were to trade Lowry and Martin, bringing anything back over his 7.1 that I noted above means having to move players to clear up space to get under the tax.

We are in basketball hell.

Great post, by the way.

[Wiltside]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

I like McConnell. He’s a Jimmy guy too, and would pair well with Tyler in the backcourt given his tenacity.

[VaDe255]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

I like McConnell. He’s a Jimmy guy too, and would pair well with Tyler in the backcourt given his tenacity.

McConnell is great. He just never shoots 3s and would not fit with Jimmy/Bam.
Our best lineup might just be Bam/Jimmy/Herro and (Highsmith, Caleb or JRich). There is enough playmaking here and no gaping wholes on defense.

Kyle is a good fit, because he is a decent 3p shooter, but he just shoots them so rarely these days, that he is barely perceived as a threat.

When we are talking about PG improvements, Tyus Jones and Monte Morris are the best options out there for us. Both are on expring contracts, can space the floor, handle the ball with low turnover ratios and playmake.

[Hallstar]

Davion MItchell is a name that has flown under the radar that I think still has some potential

[Pokuokic]

Davion MItchell is a name that has flown under the radar that I think still has some potential

It's a shame Sacramento is loaded at PF with Barnes/Murray/Lyles/Vezenkov because Jovic for Mitchell would make so much sense.

[VaDe255]

Davion MItchell is a name that has flown under the radar that I think still has some potential

He's too young, we need someone who is experienced enough. Can't trade for players that are still projects, else Sexton would be an option too, but I just don't have him as a win now player and more a guy who needs more experience to impact winning on a high level.

[Hallstar]

Davion MItchell is a name that has flown under the radar that I think still has some potential

He's too young, we need someone who is experienced enough. Can't trade for players that are still projects, else Sexton would be an option too, but I just don't have him as a win now player and more a guy who needs more experience to impact winning on a high level.

fair enough

[AirP.]

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I get its exciting for fans to sit back and fantasize about spending someone else’s money, but no thanks.

yeah i pass on this guy too. for all his faults i still prefer mickey arison

Miami did a smart thing, they hired a top basketball mind in Riley and let him run everything with a few constraints with the money but that run is coming to an end with Riley at 78, maybe Spoelstra will take his place in a few years.

For me, I'd want my team's owner to not just be a rich person, but a rich person who understands how to build infostructure and that's what Bezos is great at, I'd also suspect he'd see value owning an NBA team and also owning Amazon Prime which has been working on getting into the live sports arena although I'm not sure how the digital rights work and what complications that could bring.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Davion MItchell is a name that has flown under the radar that I think still has some potential

He's too young, we need someone who is experienced enough. Can't trade for players that are still projects, else Sexton would be an option too, but I just don't have him as a win now player and more a guy who needs more experience to impact winning on a high level.

I’m seeing ALOT of Marcus Smart hope trafficking going on on my TL right now, did I miss something?

Guess just because the grizzlies are ass

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I get its exciting for fans to sit back and fantasize about spending someone else’s money, but no thanks.

yeah i pass on this guy too. for all his faults i still prefer mickey arison

Miami did a smart thing, they hired a top basketball mind in Riley and let him run everything with a few constraints with the money but that run is coming to an end with Riley at 78, maybe Spoelstra will take his place in a few years.

For me, I'd want my team's owner to not just be a rich person, but a rich person who understands how to build infostructure and that's what Bezos is great at, I'd also suspect he'd see value owning an NBA team and also owning Amazon Prime which has been working on getting into the live sports arena although I'm not sure how the digital rights work and what complications that could bring.

Would be perfect for Pats retirement to align with the end of this current Suns build so we can bring James Jones home.